Jeff Garcia question

[coffeeman]

Which game did young play with broken ribs?

I don't like the criticism.

Broke them against the Eagles and then played a few series against the Packers in 96.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

Sure he was good. But he sure as hell wasnt great in the post season. Especially not for what he had around him. We would have beat Dallas in '92 had Montana played in that game..just so you know.

Do you remember the games that Troy Aikmen and Emmitt Smith had that day? Jesus, since when is a football team a one man show.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Steve Young's post-season failures had way more to do with our defense getting ripped, Hearst getting hurt, and having Loville and Kirby for two seasons.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

A little post-season running back comparison for some of the Steve Young era:

'97 season final playoff game
Dorsey Levens 27 rushes 114 yds 1 TD, 4 rec 27 yds
Kirby 6 for 21, 4 rec 7
Heart 8 for 12, 3 rec 14

'96 season final playoff game
Young hurt but lets look at the running back anyway
Kirby 6 for 14, 6 rec 35 1 TD
Floyd 5 for 13, 6 rec 30

Edgar Bennett 17 for 80 2 TD, 2 rec 14
Levens 15 for 46, 2 rec 16

'95 season final playoff game
Loville 8 for 5 1 TD, 7 rec 70
Bennett 23 for 51

'93 season final playoff game
Emmitt Smith 23 for 88 1 TD, 7 rec 85 1 TD
Watters 12 for 37 1 TD, 7 rec 33

'92 season final playoff game
Emmitt Smith 24 for 114 1 TD, 7 for 59 1 TD
Watters 11 for 69, 6 for 69

 

[Ray_Dogg]

Here is Montana's when they didn't go all the way:
'83 season
Riggins 36 for 123 2 TDs
49ers: Tyler 8 for 44, 1 for 17

'85 season
Tyler 10 for 61
Craig 9 for 23, 2 for 18
NYG: Morris 28 for 141, 1 for 5

'86 season
yes hurt but look at running backs anyway
Craig 5 for 17, 4 for 22
NYG: Morris 24 for 159 2 TDs, 1 for 2

'87 season
Young actually played better than Montana in this game so throwing it out

'90
Ottis Anderson 20 for 67, 1 for 3
Meggett 10 for 36, 2 for 15

Craig 8 for 26, 3 for 16
Rathman 1 for 4, 4 for 16

 

[h-hour]

Do you remember the games that Troy Aikmen and Emmitt Smith had that day? Jesus, since when is a football team a one man show.

Youngs turnovers didnt hurt us in any of those games?? I remember the Falcons game well, Young had three very costly INT's in that game.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

Kind of interesting to see that when you take out the one year each was injured...Montana and Young each had four post seasons cut short where their opponent outperformed them in the running backs department.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

Youngs turnovers didnt hurt us in any of those games?? I remember the Falcons game well, Young had three very costly INT's in that game.

Do you understand the concept that you can sit back and defend the pass when your opponent doesn't have a running game? You don't realize that Young was forced to try and win the game? Shame on him for working with what he had and not coming up roses like Montana always did, err wait he failed four times too.

 

[AdjustingRoutes]

Truly hilarious stuff. Garcia was a complete scam. No arm, some of the worst happy feet in the pocket of all time.

He should just be thankful Terrell Owens was ready to catch his 5 yard dink throws and take them for 20 consistently.

 

[tallglassofwater007]

If we have a running game no doubt in my mind we beat the Falcons in 98'. The 92' game vs Dallas it was on the Niners first drive..maybe even first play... something like an 60yd TD to Rice called back for holding (BS call). If that stands the whole complexion of the game changes. Lets look back at some of these games

92'- 1st turnover on a muffed punt, Dallas recovers at our 22 (3 points)
(our next drive Young runs for a TD)
Next drive we miss a field goal
2nd turnover- Waters fumbles (7 points)
The first 2 Dallas drives of the second half are long TD drives
3rd turnover- Young intercepted by Norton Jr. We hold them on a 4th down and drive down and score on a TD pass to Rice.
4th turnover- on our last drive Young is picked off

This game I can't fault Young. One int led to no points and the second was desperation drive. It happens.

Shit... I will have to finish this later cause work just got busy.

 

[bvanthielriceyoung]

A little post-season running back comparison for some of the Steve Young era:

'97 season final playoff game
Dorsey Levens 27 rushes 114 yds 1 TD, 4 rec 27 yds
Kirby 6 for 21, 4 rec 7
Heart 8 for 12, 3 rec 14

'96 season final playoff game
Young hurt but lets look at the running back anyway
Kirby 6 for 14, 6 rec 35 1 TD
Floyd 5 for 13, 6 rec 30

Edgar Bennett 17 for 80 2 TD, 2 rec 14
Levens 15 for 46, 2 rec 16

'95 season final playoff game
Loville 8 for 5 1 TD, 7 rec 70
Bennett 23 for 51

'93 season final playoff game
Emmitt Smith 23 for 88 1 TD, 7 rec 85 1 TD
Watters 12 for 37 1 TD, 7 rec 33

'92 season final playoff game
Emmitt Smith 24 for 114 1 TD, 7 for 59 1 TD
Watters 11 for 69, 6 for 69

 

[tallglassofwater007]

This is a pretty good article about Young. I don't think he is better than Montana, but still a good read.

Could Steve Young Actually Be Better Than Joe Montana? | Bleacher Report

 

[AdjustingRoutes]

This is a pretty good article about Young. I don't think he is better than Montana, but still a good read.

Could Steve Young Actually Be Better Than Joe Montana? | Bleacher Report

Of course he was better than Montana. Montana had much better running games and defenses than Steve.

 

[h-hour]

Of course he was better than Montana. Montana had much better running games and defenses than Steve.

Wow..

 

[AdjustingRoutes]

Wow..

Great counter-argument.

 

[sayheykid1]

From Garcia > Young to Young > Montana in less than three pages...

 

[h-hour]

From Garcia > Young to Young > Montana in less than three pages...

I was never making the argument that Garcia was better than Young at all. In my first post in this thread all I said was that it would have been interesting to see Garcia with those late 90's teams (97 and 98). I also said that Young had a lot of turnovers in those playoff games..but that still doesnt mean that I thought Garcia was better.

 

[h-hour]

Great counter-argument.

Wow...

 

[AdjustingRoutes]

From Garcia > Young to Young > Montana in less than three pages...

First off, Garcia was a scam, the product of Terrell owens ability, and I would never even think to rate him ahead of a baller like Steve Young.

Steve>Montana is much more realistic, and IMO true. Steve got stuck with poor running games after Watters left, and Montana always had better defenses. Young was a much more polished passer, a more gifted athlete, and more prolific passer in terms of statistics. IMO a much more productive player.

It's the "rings" argument. I see that you are a Giants fan, so would you really say Cody Ross>Barry Bonds because Ross has a ring? Of course not.

 

[Flyingiguana]

montana was amazing, but imo young at his peak was a much better qb. losing shanahan, watters, deion and eric davis was brutal. no pass d, young being the best rb on the team and shanahan was the perfect coordinator for young.

the cap and poor management decisions hurt young's legacy

garcia was a pro bowler, but happy feat was more steve bono material than montana/young