Jaylon Smith

[Cincyfan78]

While their drafting has been superior since they doubled the staff (from 2-4), they could still have done a whole lot better.

There's analytics out there that rates them as being second best only to Seattle over the last five years, but Seattle is in another stratosphere. Seattle moves up (their Star SR/Ret), they move down. They acquire more picks (they had two DC's become HC's and steal FA's, which added comps). Their 47 picks over the last five years is as many as any team. They also shop Free Agency diligently. They make trades. They use their cap space every year. They spend on the scouting department. They bring in a lot of competition to camp.

With that many moves, they will make a lot of mistakes. But, they hit a lot of homeruns.

There's almost no creativity with the Bengals and the draft. We'll pick when it's our turn and we won't trade up or down. You can go do your house chores or errands in between because there's little risk you'll miss a Bengals' trade. I guarantee there will be at least two Seattle trades as they have certain players targeted and they will move quickly if they think they have to.

The Bengals have come a long way from when they were drafting 3rd-rd smokers from Fresno State that they knew so little about, they had to copy and paste an SI blurb on him for their press release after they drafted him.

But, it's no time to rest on their laurels. Dre looks like a bust. Hunt was a bust. Shawn Williams isn't showing anything, yet. Bodine was a bad Center in his 2nd season. Hill went backwards his 2nd season. Ogbuehi and Dennard sat for a year injured.

Totally false.

The Bengals have moved down, and have had more than just the average 7 picks (1 per round) in almost every draft over the past 5-6 years. In fact, if the Bengals don't pick up an extra pick this year, it will be the first time in a long, long time they failed to add a draft pick.

Also, the Bengals have lost 3 coaches to become head coaches, as well as lost some decent players over the years that have added to their comp picks.

You make zero sense.

 

[Kingspoint]

You don't get comp picks for losing Coaches.

 

[Kingspoint]

It's well documented that Bodine was only the 4th time in the franchise's history that the Bengals ever moved up in the draft...of any round. It stops at four, as they haven't done it since.

They acquired the two extra picks in the Palmer trade, but that wasn't trading of picks.

I didn't say they didn't acquire comp picks. I said you don't have to worry about missing anything important about the Bengals between picks because there won't be anything. You can get your chores done and then come back and watch them go to commercial when it's time for the Bengals' pick.

Let's see what significant action you claim the Bengals were active about on draft day over the last 5-6 years...how they targeted players instead of letting the draft play them.

2015: Zonk! Zero draft day trades for players or picks. No moving up. No moving down.

2014: The aforementioned Bodine deal, trading their 4th and 6th for Seattle's 4th. No other moves up or down. That one exhausted them for at least a few years.

2013: Zonk! Basically. The only move they made up or down was neither. It was an out as they sent their 7th Rd pick to the 49ers for Taylor Mays. Ring the firebell! What a significant move...picking up a guy who would have been released later anyway.

Where is all of this down movement you mentioned? Call someone's post false and then support your claim by making stuff up and not checking your facts gives you zero credibility.

2012: Homerun! Bengals traded down six spots in the 1st and picked up a franchise RG with the 27th pick. They also snagged in the deal a 3rd Rd pick that netted them Brandon Thompson, where this year we'll see if the trade was worth it as Thompson should see significant playing time. But, the reason for the Homerun was the trade that Jacksonville the Bengals' 7th Rd pick, along with David Jones for Safety Reggie Nelson.

I see a pattern here. You can probably wait for the 7th Rd for the Bengals to trade a pick for a player.

2011: Zonk! No moves up. No moves down. No trades. No reason to even have any phones in their war room. They nailed the 4th, 35th and 101st (Boling) picks. The others were all garbage.

2010: Zonk! No moves up. No moves down. No trades. They nailed picks 54 and 120, obtaining the premier Left Side of any 4-3 front in the NFL today. The rest was all crap, including Gresham, if only because they didn't know how to use him. (Demaryius Thomas was the next pick. Dez Bryant was two picks after that. NT Dan Williams, above average DT the last four seasons, was two picks after that. Devin McCourty was the next pick. Gresham was the wrong pick.

That's six years. No need to go further.

 

[Cincyfan78]

You don't get comp picks for losing Coaches.

No you don't, but you mentioned Seattle having two coaches that left taking some players in F/A. I was just pointing out that the Bengals have lost more than that, and also lose players to F/A and also receive comp picks just like Seattle has done.

 

[Cincyfan78]

It's well documented that Bodine was only the 4th time in the franchise's history that the Bengals ever moved up in the draft...of any round. It stops at four, as they haven't done it since.

They acquired the two extra picks in the Palmer trade, but that wasn't trading of picks.

I didn't say they didn't acquire comp picks. I said you don't have to worry about missing anything important about the Bengals between picks because there won't be anything. You can get your chores done and then come back and watch them go to commercial when it's time for the Bengals' pick.

Let's see what significant action you claim the Bengals were active about on draft day over the last 5-6 years...how they targeted players instead of letting the draft play them.

2015: Zonk! Zero draft day trades for players or picks. No moving up. No moving down.

2014: The aforementioned Bodine deal, trading their 4th and 6th for Seattle's 4th. No other moves up or down. That one exhausted them for at least a few years.

2013: Zonk! Basically. The only move they made up or down was neither. It was an out as they sent their 7th Rd pick to the 49ers for Taylor Mays. Ring the firebell! What a significant move...picking up a guy who would have been released later anyway.

Where is all of this down movement you mentioned? Call someone's post false and then support your claim by making stuff up and not checking your facts gives you zero credibility.

2012: Homerun! Bengals traded down six spots in the 1st and picked up a franchise RG with the 27th pick. They also snagged in the deal a 3rd Rd pick that netted them Brandon Thompson, where this year we'll see if the trade was worth it as Thompson should see significant playing time. But, the reason for the Homerun was the trade that Jacksonville the Bengals' 7th Rd pick, along with David Jones for Safety Reggie Nelson.

I see a pattern here. You can probably wait for the 7th Rd for the Bengals to trade a pick for a player.

2011: Zonk! No moves up. No moves down. No trades. No reason to even have any phones in their war room. They nailed the 4th, 35th and 101st (Boling) picks. The others were all garbage.

2010: Zonk! No moves up. No moves down. No trades. They nailed picks 54 and 120, obtaining the premier Left Side of any 4-3 front in the NFL today. The rest was all crap, including Gresham, if only because they didn't know how to use him. (Demaryius Thomas was the next pick. Dez Bryant was two picks after that. NT Dan Williams, above average DT the last four seasons, was two picks after that. Devin McCourty was the next pick. Gresham was the wrong pick.

That's six years. No need to go further.

I never said they did it all the time. I said they've done it. I'm sure they'll be calling you for ideas on what they should be doing in their draft any minute now.

You also have to remember you can't just trade because you want to. Someone has to want that spot, and want a player available at that spot. Most importantly, a team has to be willing to give up what you want for that pick.

Also, you have to be OK with not drafting any of the available players in those spots as well. If they like a player at their spot, I'd rather them take a player they grade out well and like rather than risk a trade back just because they can.

Again, you didn't mention just moving up and down, but also comp picks...something you're conveniently leaving out of your posts.

Regardless of whether anyone believes they should be doing more, or less, you can't argue that they've had success drafting over the past 5+ years.

 

[Cincyfan78]

2010: Zonk! No moves up. No moves down. No trades. They nailed picks 54 and 120, obtaining the premier Left Side of any 4-3 front in the NFL today. The rest was all crap, including Gresham, if only because they didn't know how to use him. (Demaryius Thomas was the next pick. Dez Bryant was two picks after that. NT Dan Williams, above average DT the last four seasons, was two picks after that. Devin McCourty was the next pick. Gresham was the wrong pick.

Please, don't try and use the hindsight to show a pick was wrong. I wasn't a fan of the Gresham pick, but trying to say who they could have had after the fact is pretty silly. ALL teams can play this game, and at the time, the Bengals wanted a big pass-catching TE. It didn't work out. Shit happens. But don't forget that a lot of other teams passed on those other "great" players as well in the 1st round (notably Bryant because of serious character issues/concerns, something the Bengals at the time did not want to endure after that recent stretch of OCHO and TO).

This kind of argument is futile, and silly.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I'd also point out that the Carson Palmer deal netted them a pretty nice haul in draft picks as well.

In fact, this will be the first time in 11 years that the Bengals have failed to acquire an extra pick, if they only stick with the current 7 selections allotted to them.

The Bengals also tried to move up last year to grab Shaw, as they were worried he wouldn't last until their pick. The team backed out at the last minute. Bengals got shaw anyway, though.

 

[futballiscool]

Now there's talk of Jack sliding because of injury. John Thorton is his agent.. Found that kind of interesting

 

[Cincyfan78]

Now there's talk of Jack sliding because of injury. John Thorton is his agent.. Found that kind of interesting

Yeah, they've basically said that the same knee condition that has killed Clowney's career early on is the same for Jack. It's not as bad, but chances are that somewhere down the line, he'll need microfracture surgery and other issues could arise.

Should be interesting, no doubt.