Jay Gruden Opinions

[chillerdab]

I'm not gonna lie: I liked Gruden from the moment he threw RG3 under the bus.


Gruden nailing exactly what was wrong with RG3 at 1:45 of the video.

I think he called a masterful game vs Seattle, and generally speaking, has done well as a playcaller this year. I think he may be a little predictable with his playcalling from time to time - lord knows that running on first down 90% of the time is not a good move, but also makes some changes as the game progresses.

I especially like how he has shifted the culture from the bullshit that is in the video linked above, to one that can go into CentruyLink Field believing they can beat a seahawks team with a 3rd string offensive line, backup dline, and your top 2 and 3 recieving threats out.

I think Gruden is DEFINITELY the best coach the redskins have had since Joe Gibbs, and I hope The Danny signs him to a contract extension soon.

Just my $.02

 

[gkekoa]

I don't think he is all that good a coach. His record to open the season and his record coming off the bye is horrendous. I think his team preparation is lacking.

I also don't think he should be calling plays. I don't see any creativity from him and like you said, predictable.

Now, his game planning doesn't seem to be bad, especially after Seattle.

 

[Sleepy T]

Gruden is still learning how to be a HC. Is his play calling suspect at times...sure. But given the lack of talent/playmakers at WR and a running game that is typically non-existent, the fact that he is still getting decent production out of this offense is nothing short of remarkable. It's easy to call a good head coach great when your team is winning 4 out of 5. When the odds are stacked against you, that's when you see what kind of coach you have.

He has also put together a really good staff. The hiring of Callahan, Manusky, and Gray have been very good...maybe even home run hires IMO.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Gruden is still learning how to be a HC. Is his play calling suspect at times...sure. But given the lack of talent/playmakers at WR and a running game that is typically non-existent, the fact that he is still getting decent production out of this offense is nothing short of remarkable. It's easy to call a good head coach great when your team is winning 4 out of 5. When the odds are stacked against you, that's when you see what kind of coach you have.

He has also put together a really good staff. The hiring of Callahan, Manusky, and Gray have been very good...maybe even home run hires IMO.

Agree & IMO in the end the success of the offense comes down to talent & having a good QB. The best HC in the NFL isn't going to go far say w/ Ryan Fitzpatrick or Tom Savage & inferior RBs/WRs and/or a mediocre O line.

Being a good HC involves a lot - not simply game day decisions and planning. You nailed it w/ your last paragraph & a good HC also has to do well in evaluating talent & working w/ the FO to acquire & develop talent & get rid of players as needed. I believe that Gruden has done pretty well in these areas.

 

[gkekoa]

Gruden is still learning how to be a HC. Is his play calling suspect at times...sure. But given the lack of talent/playmakers at WR and a running game that is typically non-existent, the fact that he is still getting decent production out of this offense is nothing short of remarkable. It's easy to call a good head coach great when your team is winning 4 out of 5. When the odds are stacked against you, that's when you see what kind of coach you have.

He has also put together a really good staff. The hiring of Callahan, Manusky, and Gray have been very good...maybe even home run hires IMO.

Do we have a lack of playmakers or are we not putting them in position for success? Reed and Crowder appear to be shells of what they were. Doctson has shown flashes but we don't seem to be giving him enough opportunities. Pryor has looked bad but are we utilizing his skilll set properly? Quick has looked good in his few opportunities. Grant gets a ton of opportunity but rarely makes a dent. Kelly gets chance after chance and looks like he runs in quick sand, all the while Mack Brown gets stolen while looking good every chance he was given. Then there is Perine who got two carries against Seattle.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Do we have a lack of playmakers or are we not putting them in position for success? Reed and Crowder appear to be shells of what they were. Doctson has shown flashes but we don't seem to be giving him enough opportunities. Pryor has looked bad but are we utilizing his skilll set properly? Quick has looked good in his few opportunities. Grant gets a ton of opportunity but rarely makes a dent. Kelly gets chance after chance and looks like he runs in quick sand, all the while Mack Brown gets stolen while looking good every chance he was given. Then there is Perine who got two carries against Seattle.

Actually Crowder & Reed were being used very well in the Boys game prior to their injuries. Doctson is being used more now - don't really blame the team for bringing him on slowly due to past injuries & the need to start to trust him more - he should be fine.

In terms of Perine - perhaps - but I can't blame a coach too much to be reluctant to use a chronic fumbler (& they stopped using him after a big fumble). Lots of other coaches would do the same. As I have mentioned previously several other RBs have had this issue & overcame it subsequently (Barber, Morris, etc). I hope this is the case for Perine but who knows. Tricky situation.

 

[ehb5]

I think hes a really good coach honestly.

I think hes continuing to learn which is a big deal too. Some coaches seem to have to big an ego to ever change but that doesnt seem to be the case with Gruden.

The players seem to like him, I think he's a great offensive mind, and the players play hard for him.

And honestly 25-30-1 is a pretty damn good record for his time here all things considered.

As far as Im concerned his seat should be ice cold.

 

[ehb5]

Also FWIW that game Sunday couldve gone so so so poorly. Like blowout loss, a 3-5 record, staring a 4 game losing streak in the face, and talk the seasons over. The fact that the team came in so prepared is a testament to Gruden.

I think this is by far the toughest team I can remember (at least in a long while) both physically and mentally and thats thanks to Gruden and Manusky*.


* = slightly off topic but I also think this is hugely in part to Swearinger and Norman and part of the reason why I love guys who want to just play football and hit somebody (hi Scherff!) and talk some shit while they do it. I think arrogant trash talk is a super underrated trait. (and definitely why I love guys like Norman, DJax, Garcon, Sherman, OBJ, etc)

 

[Ojb81]

Also FWIW that game Sunday couldve gone so so so poorly. Like blowout loss, a 3-5 record, staring a 4 game losing streak in the face, and talk the seasons over. The fact that the team came in so prepared is a testament to Gruden.

I think this is by far the toughest team I can remember (at least in a long while) both physically and mentally and thats thanks to Gruden and Manusky*.


* = slightly off topic but I also think this is hugely in part to Swearinger and Norman and part of the reason why I love guys who want to just play football and hit somebody (hi Scherff!) and talk some shit while they do it. I think arrogant trash talk is a super underrated trait. (and definitely why I love guys like Norman, DJax, Garcon, Sherman, OBJ, etc)

wait...so do you think that arrogant trash talk makes players better at their craft, or that the only players who dare to gain a rep for being huge trash talkers are those whom already are at the top of their game to begin with?

 

[ehb5]

wait...so do you think that arrogant trash talk makes players better at their craft, or that the only players who dare to gain a rep for being huge trash talkers are those whom already are at the top of their game to begin with?

mmmmm a mix maybe?

I think trash talk from a bad player is pretty useless and a little concerning even - and it definitely does happen.

But...

I think there is a trend of a lot of the best corners and receivers talking shit. TO, Moss, OBJ, Rice, AB, Sherman, Norman, etc. the list goes on and on. All those guys had a little diva in them. So I dont think it necessarily makes them better but I think (and this is not my original thought but I do think its got some credibility) that kind of borderline crazy personality does lend itself to positions where you have to be alone out on an island with another guy.

OBJ for example might be legitimately crazy lol. But I think his personality is what part of makes him great. People who want him to stop screaming and being so passionate are missing that thats part of his greatness. His being a diva isnt hurting his team.

 

[gkekoa]

Talking shit can be useful if you are good, or at least competitive. Talking shit while getting dry humped just makes it more painful.

 

[Sleepy T]

I think trash talk and attitude, particularly on the defensive side of the ball, sets the tone. When you have a Norman, D-Hall type guy getting chippy, other guys feed off of that a bit. It can get a little over the top, but playing your ass off, hitting someone in the mouth, the letting them know about it. No problems there.

And we have seen it get in other players heads a bit, mainly with WRs and CBs. Doesn't usually happen, but it can alter the game somewhat.

 

[j_y19]

I think trash talk and attitude, particularly on the defensive side of the ball, sets the tone. When you have a Norman, D-Hall type guy getting chippy, other guys feed off of that a bit. It can get a little over the top, but playing your ass off, hitting someone in the mouth, the letting them know about it. No problems there.

And we have seen it get in other players heads a bit, mainly with WRs and CBs. Doesn't usually happen, but it can alter the game somewhat.

Trash talking has its place. But you have to know how, when, and to whom you trash. When you are down by 21 or you have been sucking all day and you finally make a good play, keep your mouth shut. You have no place to talk. Line up and make another good play.

 

[Ojb81]

mmmmm a mix maybe?

I think trash talk from a bad player is pretty useless and a little concerning even - and it definitely does happen.

But...

I think there is a trend of a lot of the best corners and receivers talking shit. TO, Moss, OBJ, Rice, AB, Sherman, Norman, etc. the list goes on and on. All those guys had a little diva in them. So I dont think it necessarily makes them better but I think (and this is not my original thought but I do think its got some credibility) that kind of borderline crazy personality does lend itself to positions where you have to be alone out on an island with another guy.

OBJ for example might be legitimately crazy lol. But I think his personality is what part of makes him great. People who want him to stop screaming and being so passionate are missing that thats part of his greatness. His being a diva isnt hurting his team.

mmm I dunno about all that. Maybe it "defines who he is" but it most certainly has hurt his team, both strategically in-game and away from the field with the numerous distractions.

 

[BeaReylo]

I think hes a really good coach honestly.

I think hes continuing to learn which is a big deal too. Some coaches seem to have to big an ego to ever change but that doesnt seem to be the case with Gruden.

The players seem to like him, I think he's a great offensive mind, and the players play hard for him.

And honestly 25-30-1 is a pretty damn good record for his time here all things considered.

As far as Im concerned his seat should be ice cold.

I think he is a good coach too. If Jay was in a less dysfunctional setting he may have a better record than he does now?

 

[ehb5]

mmm I dunno about all that. Maybe it "defines who he is" but it most certainly has hurt his team, both strategically in-game and away from the field with the numerous distractions.

I think its still a net positive.

OBJ as a distraction is meaningless. Hes an all time great WR. Anybody on that team or org who thinks hes hurting the team by being a distraction is a moron. And I think hes great (obviously because of his physical talent) but also because hes crazy. Its like how Michael Jordan was a competitive psychopath. I dont think its the exact same personality but I think his personality is definitely part of his greatness.

 

[Ojb81]

I think its still a net positive.

OBJ as a distraction is meaningless. Hes an all time great WR. Anybody on that team or org who thinks hes hurting the team by being a distraction is a moron. And I think hes great (obviously because of his physical talent) but also because hes crazy. Its like how Michael Jordan was a competitive psychopath. I dont think its the exact same personality but I think his personality is definitely part of his greatness.

fair enough