Jack Adams nominees

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Still contend that what Babcock did was far more impressive. The Avs had the talent, they just crapped the bed last year. What the Wings were able to do was ridiculous.

It was a stroke of genius by the Avs to keep Sacco, the team had tuned him out, and they ended up winning the lottery and selecting MacKinnon.

 

[DevilishWon]

It was a stroke of genius by the Avs to keep Sacco, the team had tuned him out, and they ended up winning the lottery and selecting MacKinnon.

So you're saying Greg Sherman should get the award?

 

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So you're saying Greg Sherman should get the award?

Executive of the year DW.

 

[Cobiemonster]

If you want to give Roy some credit for the improvement that's fine, but I don't think it was improved defense or defensive systems. I think it was mostly the difference between having a team SV% of .905 and one of .922.

Well improved defense does help the goalies SV%, if the defense doesn't give easy shots up, then the save percentage will go up - it goes both ways

 

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Career years from almost everybody on the Avs didn't hurt either - Some of these shooting percentages and Corsi numbers will not be sustainable over the long term. Also, the Avs puck possession numbers were not good at all. Bottom line, they were okay, but also very lucky.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Well improved defense does help the goalies SV%, if the defense doesn't give easy shots up, then the save percentage will go up - it goes both ways

And yet they gave up even more shots per game than they did last year. Believe me, I've heard this "oh but they're not 'quality shots'" argument enough this year with regard to the Leafs already. Everyone that I know of that has looked at numbers and shot charts in any detail has found a very minimal impact. The guy that primarily drives SV% (especially when you're talking about the difference between .905 and .922) is the goaltender.

 

[Cobiemonster]

And yet they gave up even more shots per game than they did last year. Believe me, I've heard this "oh but they're not 'quality shots'" argument enough this year with regard to the Leafs already. Everyone that I know of that has looked at numbers and shot charts in any detail has found a very minimal impact. The guy that primarily drives SV% (especially when you're talking about the difference between .905 and .922) is the goaltender.

The goaltender definitely made a difference this season, but maybe the Avs were more aggressive offensively and that's why they gave up more shots? And that would be a difference than the Leafs, the Leafs weren't as aggressive I don't think and they still gave up a ton of shots, Leafs are really flawed - Avs might have a flaw here and there but it's not as bad as the Leafs - Avs just need to tinker with the defense, find a younger, better d-man or two and they should be better - their forward group is pretty good

 

[DragonfromTO]

And yet they gave up even more shots per game than they did last year. Believe me, I've heard this "oh but they're not 'quality shots'" argument enough this year with regard to the Leafs already. Everyone that I know of that has looked at numbers and shot charts in any detail has found a very minimal impact. The guy that primarily drives SV% (especially when you're talking about the difference between .905 and .922) is the goaltender.

More on this point, I just did a quick google search but you can find more on this if you look a little deeper (I'm on my way out the door now but I'll take a look for more when I get home)

Irreverent Oiler Fans: The 'Shot Quality' Fantasy

Objective NHL: Team Effects and Even Strength Save Percentage

 

[pixburgher66]

The Avs of this year really remind me of the Leafs of last year. There are some differences. I think they have better talent upfront, which should allow for more longevity. If their FO sees the issue and makes appropriate moves, they'll be fine. I've mentioned it before, but they were the epitome of opportunistic this year.

 

[DragonfromTO]

The goaltender definitely made a difference this season, but maybe the Avs were more aggressive offensively and that's why they gave up more shots? And that would be a difference than the Leafs, the Leafs weren't as aggressive I don't think and they still gave up a ton of shots, Leafs are really flawed - Avs might have a flaw here and there but it's not as bad as the Leafs - Avs just need to tinker with the defense, find a younger, better d-man or two and they should be better - their forward group is pretty good

They only way I see them having a chance to perform better next year is if Varlamov has a Vezina-level SV% again. Which he probably won't, not because he's not still a good goaltender but because repeating a .927 SV% has shown itself to be an incredibly tough task for anyone not named Hasek.

 

[DragonfromTO]

The Avs of this year really remind me of the Leafs of last year. There are some differences. I think they have better talent upfront, which should allow for more longevity. If their FO sees the issue and makes appropriate moves, they'll be fine. I've mentioned it before, but they were the epitome of opportunistic this year.

This is the big question of course... do they think they're actually as good as the game results/standings said they were? We'll find out. The Leafs' brass generally seemed to (although they'll deny it now), and it bit them in the ass big time.

 

[Cobiemonster]

This is the big question of course... do they think they're actually as good as the game results/standings said they were? We'll find out. The Leafs' brass generally seemed to (although they'll deny it now), and it bit them in the ass big time.

Well it was a shortened season last year so there were bigger differences then - I think with the Avs, it'll be a little easier to tell going into next season - I think it was good that they were knocked out in the first round because maybe they know now they need to improve their team - if they went deeper maybe they would have thought their team was plenty good enough

 

[pixburgher66]

Well it was a shortened season last year so there were bigger differences then - I think with the Avs, it'll be a little easier to tell going into next season - I think it was good that they were knocked out in the first round because maybe they know now they need to improve their team - if they went deeper maybe they would have thought their team was plenty good enough

Great point about moving ahead in the playoffs. I think that series pretty much displayed the issues that they faced this year and the issues they'll have moving forward without some tweaks. I know it's a broken record for many, but FOs need to utilize advanced stats. Not every advanced stat is good and far from flawless, but they have great value. The predictive nature it's had in some cases has been astounding.

 

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Roy did a great job, but I have a feeling that Colorado regresses a lot next year unless they make some big changes.

Good call pix.

/As for this year, if the Flames make the playoffs, does Hartley get nominated? Laviolette has done a fine job with the Preds, and how about Barry Trotz in Washington?

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Good call pix.

/As for this year, if the Flames make the playoffs, does Hartley get nominated? Laviolette has done a fine job with the Preds, and how about Barry Trotz in Washington?

I think those are two of the three noms, with Babcock getting the other and maybe finally winning - for sure a tad bit overdue for him.

 

[pixburgher66]

Lavvy would be my candidate to this point. Poile probably should make some noise for GM of the year too, but there's too much time for GMs to make good/idiotic moves still.

Also, calling the Avs collapse was far too easy. But...*pats self on back*

 

[jstewismybastardson]

Im not saying hes a super good ... or real good ... or pretty good ... or good candidate but Willie Desjardins has done a good job considering his team isnt that good

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[DevilishWon]

Lavvy would be my candidate to this point. Poile probably should make some noise for GM of the year too, but there's too much time for GMs to make good/idiotic moves still.

Also, calling the Avs collapse was far too easy. But...*pats self on back*

So your saying Patty Wah is not gonna bring them back to the promised land this year?

 

[mattola]

Im not saying hes a super good ... or real good ... or pretty good ... or good candidate but Willie Desjardins has done a good job considering his team isnt that good

well thats good

 

[jstewismybastardson]

Lavvy would be my candidate to this point. Poile probably should make some noise for GM of the year too, but there's too much time for GMs to make good/idiotic moves still.

Also, calling the Avs collapse was far too easy. But...*pats self on back*

I would have been more impressed if you DIDNT predict a collapse ... they were the stats nerd mafias prime target for unsustainable PDO



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