It's Pretty Much Over

[BigKen]

The 2nd Appellate Court decided that they would NOT rehear the NFLPA/Tom Brady case against the NFL.
As of now, Brady will serve the four game suspension.

The Brady haters are giddy already, some are even hoping he'll be banned from the HOF. Things is, 90% still don't know what he was suspended for. 75% of those think he deflated footballs before the AFCCG. I'm still wondering exactly what he did that got him suspended for four games.

The NFLPA has said that they appeal to the US Supreme Court, but that was before the decision today. No word from Brady yet.

 

[SDGuy73]

 

[ohiopatsfan]

If TB and the NFLPA do decide to appeal to the US Supreme Court, one of two things will happen. The case may be directed to the Supreme Court justice in charge of the New York district or it may be directed to the full Supreme Court. If the latter is done, the case may take years to get onto their very heavy docket, if they even accept it at all. In this case, TB may be retired before the court acts. If the former path is chosen, the case will go to Ruth Bader Ginsberg. On the positive, she has been very pro-union in many of her decisions. On the negative, TB has publicly expressed his admiration for Donald Trump. After RBG's recent diatribe against Trump, it is not inconceivable that she would rule against TB.

 

[Southieinnc]

If TB and the NFLPA do decide to appeal to the US Supreme Court, one of two things will happen. The case may be directed to the Supreme Court justice in charge of the New York district or it may be directed to the full Supreme Court. If the latter is done, the case may take years to get onto their very heavy docket, if they even accept it at all. In this case, TB may be retired before the court acts. If the former path is chosen, the case will go to Ruth Bader Ginsberg. On the positive, she has been very pro-union in many of her decisions. On the negative, TB has publicly expressed his admiration for Donald Trump. After RBG's recent diatribe against Trump, it is not inconceivable that she would rule against TB.

So you are saying politics could get in the way of a "perfectly reasonable decision about whether a player can be held accountable for doing nothing and having no evidence against him?"
The NFL would win this argument because they screwed the NFLPA years ago and have the right to a "pound of flesh?"

 

[ohiopatsfan]

Yes, sadly I believe politics these days infuses itself into every aspect of our lives. True Patriot fans are probably suffering from NFLphobia and, as a result, them and their team need to be punished or, in PC language, schooled into how to deal with Patriot Guilt.

 

[cdumler7]

Yes, sadly I believe politics these days infuses itself into every aspect of our lives. True Patriot fans are probably suffering from NFLphobia and, as a result, them and their team need to be punished or, in PC language, schooled into how to deal with Patriot Guilt.

Would anything be able to get done before the 4-game suspension though to actually keep it from happening? Maybe I heard wrong but it sounded like that would be pretty tough to find a situation that could get the suspension suspended until something gets done.

 

[CreepCreep2014]

I expect Brady to fight till he can't legally fight anymore, but this is over. He will appeal and it will get denied. The CBA is what is it and the players signed it. Goofball can do whatever he wants, and he is. All this has done is guarantee that there is no football once the CBA is up. NO player is going to want to put up with all this BS that RG has created. I am expecting a long, long layoff of football when the CBA is done.

IMO, TB should retire and sue the hell out of the league. It has not been about those footballs for a long, long time. It's all about the legal processes. The league has railroaded, lied about and defamed a man for nothing. No evidence and a quote from a sleaze bag named Wells and the haters think he deflated footballs. Why would he want to play for a league and make money for them when they clearly fucked him over?? Don't do it Tom. Move on, clear your name and take these scumbags down with ya. Once the NFL has to turn over their phones and emails, the truth will come out....

 

[ohiopatsfan]

The best TB can do for now is to get a stay on the appeals court decision from Ruth Bader Ginsberg that will both give his legal team the time to file their documents with the Supreme Court and will let TB play the first four games of this season. The NFLPA is hopping mad about Goodell's power under the current CBA and that will be one of the major bones of contention when the CBA runs out in 2021. At that point, unless something is done in the interim, I look for the owners to offer concessions on this point in exchange for something they want (like expanding the season by 2 games to increase revenues).

 

[BigKen]

Would anything be able to get done before the 4-game suspension though to actually keep it from happening? Maybe I heard wrong but it sounded like that would be pretty tough to find a situation that could get the suspension suspended until something gets done.

Legally Brady and the NFLPA have 90 days to petition the Supreme Court to hear their argument. Brady can also petition Ruth Bader Ginsburg to stay his suspension until his legal team has time to prepare the petition to the Supreme Court. The only reason that she would grant the stay is if there is irreparable harm. Some legal minds say that if the court hears the case, he'd get his money back that the league will take and that will make it right. Others say that he and the Patriots can never get the four games back that he would be suspended and that could create a horror show of incredible proportions.

Here's a worst case scenario for the NFL. Brady serves a four game suspension and the Patriots go 0-4. Brady comes back and the Patriots finish 12-4. The Patriots finish second in the AFC East and don't make the playoffs.
If the Supreme Court hears the case and decides in favor of the NFLPA and Brady, the Patriots could have a major legal case against the NFL. Brady could have a major case against the NFL. After all, if he was 12-0 and missed the playoffs, wouldn't the Patriots be able to say that they conceivably could have gone undefeated and been 19-0 because they would have had home field etc?

If Brady and the NFLPA decide to continue, it's probably in the best interest of all that Ginsburg grant him a stay. The SCOTUS probably won't actually review the case until 2018 and Brady might have retired. Then again, maybe he will play until he's 50.

 

[Southieinnc]

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IMO, TB should retire and sue the hell out of the league. It has not been about those footballs for a long, long time.

Winning another Superbowl first would ease the pain greatly.
Turning the ball over to a young Jimmy Garappolo who set him up with a 4-0 start would be priceless!


As far as suing the league, how could he win a suit against the league when they have done nothing that the NFLPA has not given them the right to do?
He'd have a better chance of suing the NFLPA for "bad faith negotiating" Wait - he is a player rep for the NFLPA!
He signed off on the CBA..... no chance

 

[BigKen]

As far as suing the league, how could he win a suit against the league when they have done nothing that the NFLPA has not given them the right to do?
He'd have a better chance of suing the NFLPA for "bad faith negotiating" Wait - he is a player rep for the NFLPA!
He signed off on the CBA..... no chance

Defamation, false accusation, unconstitutional punishment.........There are about two hundred different avenues that Brady could take, especially if he won in the SCOTUS

 

[Southieinnc]

Defamation, false accusation, unconstitutional punishment.........There are about two hundred different avenues that Brady could take, especially if he won in the SCOTUS

If he won but I don't see SCOTUS taking this case. I wish you are right.....

 

[CreepCreep2014]

Winning another Superbowl first would ease the pain greatly.
Turning the ball over to a young Jimmy Garappolo who set him up with a 4-0 start would be priceless!


As far as suing the league, how could he win a suit against the league when they have done nothing that the NFLPA has not given them the right to do?
He'd have a better chance of suing the NFLPA for "bad faith negotiating" Wait - he is a player rep for the NFLPA!
He signed off on the CBA..... no chance

I should have said IF the suspension is up held. He can sue for all the things Ken said. The man's character has been smeared by this league on no evidence.

 

[BigKen]

Brady called it quits today. Everybody in the media is putting their two cents on it and already they've gotten off track and are beginning to say what they think Tom Brady's reasons are for ending it. 80% of the haters will take all of the bullshit as absolute truth.

The most intelligent and believable thing I heard was that he just didn't want to take the chance of having the SCOTUS announce they would NOT hear the case sometime in early November and Tom having to serve the suspension in Weeks 12, 13, 14, 15. If he takes the suspension in Weeks 1-4, there's a better than even chance that the Patriots could get through 3-1 or 4-0.

Brady can go to camp and practice with the team and the suspension starts Week 1.

I don't like it, but smarter people than I are giving Brady much better advice than I could give him.

 

[SDGuy73]

NFLPA still taking the case to SCOTUS

 

[NWPATSFAN]

This really isn't Brady's fight any longer. Once it became about the power of the commish Brady was just the poster child. Good for him to call it quits. Let the NFLPA fight their fight. Hopefully TB files a law suit once he retires.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I'm watching PTI right now. 4 of the 5 top stories are about Boston. What's the rest of the country doing?

 

[ohiopatsfan]

This was the smart move for TB. Some of the haters are already posting that this is an admission of guilt. No, this is just reality kicking in. Better to take a sure suspension in games 1-4 than to gamble that a suspension will come up late in the season when the games have more meaning. The only way this is an admission of guilt is if Goodell comes to TB, says "admit guilt and I will cut the suspension to 2 games", and he accepts. Not gonna happen!!

 

[NWPATSFAN]

This was the smart move for TB. Some of the haters are already posting that this is an admission of guilt. No, this is just reality kicking in. Better to take a sure suspension in games 1-4 than to gamble that a suspension will come up late in the season when the games have more meaning. The only way this is an admission of guilt is if Goodell comes to TB, says "admit guilt and I will cut the suspension to 2 games", and he accepts. Not gonna happen!!

Since the NFLPA is still carrying the torch there is no need for TB to be wasting time fighting it. Regardless of the outcome it won't change the perception of haters or supporters.
If the NFLPA wins in tbe SCOTUS haters will say TB was still guilty just like OJ and the decision was about labor.
TB fans will claim he won...

 

[SDGuy73]

Idiot facebook post from ESPN;

Derek Votta ·
Nowhere, Oklahoma
Kraft is lying. No way "the ideal gas law " deflated those footballs. Where's your proof ? Show me the numbers you paid off scientists and academics. Would have had to be AT LEAST a 50 degree temperatue drop from ref room to 51 degree field . And ALL balls would have deflated equally. But Kraft is a known liar . Ask President Vladimir Putin Or the residents of CT when he said he was moving team to Hartford