Is joining a conference the same thing as socialism?

[Irish7478]

No, I enjoy playing them, and I understand why these teams need to join conferences, I just don't understand why people think we need to join a conference to qualify for a national championship. The fact that we are not in a conference drives some people crazy. It seems as though in this country, we would support a team that wished to proceed based on their own merits, and not on a group they are tied to. I can't see myself getting all excited by yelling SEC, SEC, SEC. Or ACC, ACC, ACC for that matter.[/QUOTE


It drives them crazy because Notre dame profits from being independent yet uses teams in conferences to make that money. It's like using the golf course at the country club but not paying dues. While teams like Texas -USC - Alabama could do just fine if there were no conferences at all, schools like Cal , Mississippi State , Northwestern would not have the allure and would probably not be able to fund the rest of their athletic departments is they didn't belong to a conference. If everyone did as Notre dame then it would be a mess. So people would rather you stop using the system to make more than others and join the others who have members that are haves and most have nots for the overall good of the game. You wouldn't lose a thing if you did join a conference heck you're playing 5 ACC teams now what difference does it really make?So it's nopt that ND "needs" to join one it's that you are the big boy program everyone knows that.You will make more than anyone no matter what. So people just think it's arrogance.

You can say that again.

 

[poewelch84]

Honestly I think eventually they will join the ACC in football as well, but not until they have to which eventually they will.

 

[idseer]

It is socialism, but you can't blame them, making it on your own is hard. Ask BYU, Penn St or any school that has attempted it. Aside from ND of course, further proof they're America's team.

never understood people who make this claim even in jest. there's no such thing as america's team! all you accomplish by saying this is pissing off people who don't like the team. tell me ... is that your goal?

 

[idseer]

teams don't like sharing the wealth with less fortunate teams? stop playing them! no more fl st vs citadel! nd vs rice!

split 50/50 only with the teams you play. you want to play rice or citadel then you pay for it.

 

[socaljim242]

You can say that again.

I did.lol. I've got no clue how to delete a post so oh well, you got two.
Nice game from Samarjdja (SP) yesterday I love when the Giants lose.

 

[Irish7478]

never understood people who make this claim even in jest. there's no such thing as america's team! all you accomplish by saying this is pissing off people who don't like the team. tell me ... is that your goal?

That is absolutely my goal. My favorite college football fans are those that love ND, my second favorite fans are the ones who hate ND. I have no desire for any college football fan to have no opinion on ND. I truly enjoy the fact that many fans watch the ND games hoping that ND gets crushed.

 

[NDHoosier101]

never understood people who make this claim even in jest. there's no such thing as america's team! all you accomplish by saying this is pissing off people who don't like the team. tell me ... is that your goal?

Dude, we're America's team.

 

[Irish7478]

No, I enjoy playing them, and I understand why these teams need to join conferences, I just don't understand why people think we need to join a conference to qualify for a national championship. The fact that we are not in a conference drives some people crazy. It seems as though in this country, we would support a team that wished to proceed based on their own merits, and not on a group they are tied to. I can't see myself getting all excited by yelling SEC, SEC, SEC. Or ACC, ACC, ACC for that matter.[/QUOTE


It drives them crazy because Notre dame profits from being independent yet uses teams in conferences to make that money. It's like using the golf course at the country club but not paying dues. While teams like Texas -USC - Alabama could do just fine if there were no conferences at all, schools like Cal , Mississippi State , Northwestern would not have the allure and would probably not be able to fund the rest of their athletic departments is they didn't belong to a conference. If everyone did as Notre dame then it would be a mess. So people would rather you stop using the system to make more than others and join the others who have members that are haves and most have nots for the overall good of the game. You wouldn't lose a thing if you did join a conference heck you're playing 5 ACC teams now what difference does it really make?So it's nopt that ND "needs" to join one it's that you are the big boy program everyone knows that.You will make more than anyone no matter what. So people just think it's arrogance.

Yes, ND profits from playing teams in conferences, just like these teams profit from playing ND. Look at SC, they sold out only one home game last year. Of the 7 games they played in the colleseum, 4 drew in the 60 thousands. This is a stadium that holds over 90,000 fans. I'm sure that ND will sell out the stadium this year which will generate a lot of money for SC. Since they get their conference money regardless of their attendance, playing someone out of conference wouldn't affect that portion of their payout. But my guess is that if they didn't play ND, they could look forward to selling 30,000 fewer tickets that week, which would be a significant amount of money.

 

[socaljim242]

Yes, ND profits from playing teams in conferences, just like these teams profit from playing ND. Look at SC, they sold out only one home game last year. Of the 7 games they played in the colleseum, 4 drew in the 60 thousands. This is a stadium that holds over 90,000 fans. I'm sure that ND will sell out the stadium this year which will generate a lot of money for SC. Since they get their conference money regardless of their attendance, playing someone out of conference wouldn't affect that portion of their payout. But my guess is that if they didn't play ND, they could look forward to selling 30,000 fewer tickets that week, which would be a significant amount of money.

Last time I checked USC wasn't hurting for cash from football and wouldn't if they didn't play Notre dame and just played the conference teams and played another school other than ND. But if teams in conferences for what ever reason decided they didn't want to schedule Notre dame because they werent in a conference ? Oh and there was 80k for the USC ND game and 86K for the USC -UCLA game and 94k for the Stanford game so when the Trojans are doing well and are ranked they do draw well when the other team is also ranked. No doubt ND is always a big draw but it wouldn;t kill USC not to play them . I don;t know who ND would play if teams in conferences decided their OCC games were going to be against a certain other conference like the SEC has been talking about.

 

[Irish7478]

Last time I checked USC wasn't hurting for cash from football and wouldn't if they didn't play Notre dame and just played the conference teams and played another school other than ND. But if teams in conferences for what ever reason decided they didn't want to schedule Notre dame because they werent in a conference ? Oh and there was 80k for the USC ND game and 86K for the USC -UCLA game and 94k for the Stanford game so when the Trojans are doing well and are ranked they do draw well when the other team is also ranked. No doubt ND is always a big draw but it wouldn;t kill USC not to play them . I don;t know who ND would play if teams in conferences decided their OCC games were going to be against a certain other conference like the SEC has been talking about.

ND isn't hurting for money either, but that didn't stop them from selling the old grass for $149 for 10 square feet. I'm curious, which ND/SC game drew 80K.

 

[socaljim242]

ND isn't hurting for money either, but that didn't stop them from selling the old grass for $149 for 10 square feet. I'm curious, which ND/SC game drew 80K.

Texas, Alabama and Notre Dame print money when it comes to football for sure I just wonder if the SEC does go to the system where they play teams from certain conferences because of the new playoffs if that might make other conferences do the same. The 80k? I just checked last seasons attendance but now I see the game was played in SB. My bad. the previous year the attendance was around what the Stanford game was this past year.

 

[Irish7478]

Texas, Alabama and Notre Dame print money when it comes to football for sure I just wonder if the SEC does go to the system where they play teams from certain conferences because of the new playoffs if that might make other conferences do the same. The 80k? I just checked last seasons attendance but now I see the game was played in SB. My bad. the previous year the attendance was around what the Stanford game was this past year.

I consider SC to be our biggest rival. That said, we sold as many tickets for Temple as we did for SC. We sold as many for Navy as we did for SC in 2011. We historically sell out all our games, that said, playing SC at home makes us no more money than Rice or Temple. From SC's perspective, an ND home game will generate 30,000 more ticket sales than a game against Colorado. At $70 per ticket, that's more than $2million. That's why teams want to play ND. While SC might not need the extra money, Purdue, MSU, Boston College and many other schools could use it.

 

[socaljim242]

I consider SC to be our biggest rival. That said, we sold as many tickets for Temple as we did for SC. We sold as many for Navy as we did for SC in 2011. We historically sell out all our games, that said, playing SC at home makes us no more money than Rice or Temple. From SC's perspective, an ND home game will generate 30,000 more ticket sales than a game against Colorado. At $70 per ticket, that's more than $2million. That's why teams want to play ND. While SC might not need the extra money, Purdue, MSU, Boston College and many other schools could use it.

So Notre dame being the bigger name and bigger draw plays teams who make less and it boosts the interest in their schools schedule. Welcome to being in a conference except you aren't in one. You just switch Colorado and Cal for Purdure and Navy and to Rice and NC State and Pitt.

 

[Irish7478]

So Notre dame being the bigger name and bigger draw plays teams who make less and it boosts the interest in their schools schedule. Welcome to being in a conference except you aren't in one. You just switch Colorado and Cal for Purdure and Navy and to Rice and NC State and Pitt.

And we don't get bowl money or TV money just because Iowa State or Mississippi State gets an invite to some bowl in Shreveport. My point is that many fans feel that being in a conference should be a requirement to win a NC. Should UConn be exempt from a NC because they aren't in a big conference. They want to be in the ACC or the Big 10, but these conferences don't want them. If we want to make being in a conference a requirement to winning a NC, teams should be allowed to join any conference they want.

 

[xpuctaqpGT]

As a Georgia Tech alumnus and ACC person, I'm happy to have ND as a pseudo member. I like the fixed number of guaranteed games between ND and the ACC schools. ND gets to retain their independent status (and their network deal with NBC) . ND continues to play a "national" schedule and thus recruit nationally. We will get some home games against ND which will definitely up home ticket sales.

If the landscape ever changes and ND wishes/needs to join a conference full time, we in the ACC would love to have them.

Geographically ND would be more B1G material. Historically ND would be more B1G material. But looking at school demographics, ND fits better into the ACC. ND has about 11k students. In the B1G, 12 out of the 14 schools have more than 25k students. In the ACC, only 5 of 14 do. The B1G is mostly big state universities. The ACC is more smaller and private ones. In that respect, ND fits quite nicely in with us.

 

[poewelch84]

As a Georgia Tech alumnus and ACC person, I'm happy to have ND as a pseudo member. I like the fixed number of guaranteed games between ND and the ACC schools. ND gets to retain their independent status (and their network deal with NBC) . ND continues to play a "national" schedule and thus recruit nationally. We will get some home games against ND which will definitely up home ticket sales.

If the landscape ever changes and ND wishes/needs to join a conference full time, we in the ACC would love to have them.

Geographically ND would be more B1G material. Historically ND would be more B1G material. But looking at school demographics, ND fits better into the ACC. ND has about 11k students. In the B1G, 12 out of the 14 schools have more than 25k students. In the ACC, only 5 of 14 do. The B1G is mostly big state universities. The ACC is more smaller and private ones. In that respect, ND fits quite nicely in with us.

I agree the Big10 is more of a geographic fit, the ACC is more of a demographic fit which I think is what the school was looking into. However the BIG10 would take Notre Dame as a full member in a second, any of the major conferences would even the SEC.

 

[ellupo]

And we don't get bowl money or TV money just because Iowa State or Mississippi State gets an invite to some bowl in Shreveport. My point is that many fans feel that being in a conference should be a requirement to win a NC. Should UConn be exempt from a NC because they aren't in a big conference. They want to be in the ACC or the Big 10, but these conferences don't want them. If we want to make being in a conference a requirement to winning a NC, teams should be allowed to join any conference they want.

The teams that are not in a conference should not get a benefit from that conference yet ND went to a BCS game instead of the BE team. You should not get it both ways.

 

[Irish7478]

The teams that are not in a conference should not get a benefit from that conference yet ND went to a BCS game instead of the BE team. You should not get it both ways.

We negotiated that deal, why is this a problem. This comes down to the socialism issue that started this thread. The Big East would not have gotten that deal without the Bowl games getting the option of getting ND every so often. Should the AAC be upset because the Big Ten negotiated a better TV deal than they could.

 

[socaljim242]

We negotiated that deal, why is this a problem. This comes down to the socialism issue that started this thread. The Big East would not have gotten that deal without the Bowl games getting the option of getting ND every so often. Should the AAC be upset because the Big Ten negotiated a better TV deal than they could.

I really don;t care that ND is independent but My point is you have the overall majority( pretty much everyone except the few) in a conference and that ads to some stability in scheduling and bowl selections and TV money because the majority of the games are against your conference foes. If everyone did as ND then what a mess it would be. Being in a conference is not socialism. You have some rules about sharing certain money because your in that conference but they want to make more money than the next . So maybe within the conference you have a tiny bit of socialistic behavior but team SEC wants to make more and more money with espn and the PAC wants to make more money and both don;t care what ACC teams make. other than they want to make more. . Harley socialism.

 

[Irish7478]

So your idea of a "tiny bit" of socialism is sharing all the TV money AND the bowl money, AND mandating a set number of games against other teams in the conference. I'd be interested in what you would consider a "moderate amount" of socialism to be.