In your humble opinion...

[Stymietee]

Over the years I've noticed how little patience some posters here have with player and their performance. Still, in other posters, there's a level of patience that covers everything from conditional to complete freedom by disassociation. I'm certain that the time will come when Dwayne Haskins gets to start, what's uncertain is how much leeway you all are willing to allow before labeling him a "bust" or "that guy!"

If he shits the bed in his first start or lights up the competition will some here immediately jump to a conclusion? How many games constitute a good sample size? What does improvement/growth look like to you? You guys and lady get the idea...So, let's talk about it!

 

[kbso83432]

Wasn't concerned at all about his performance last week. I'm looking for steady improvement. Not necessarily week to week, but there should be a noticeable difference in his game moth to month.

It is really hard to answer that question right now though, because he will most likely be a an entirely new offensive system next year. He will be given time to learn that system as well.

I'd say of it's two years down the road and he's still holding on to the ball and taking sacks when he should have just chucked it out of bounds or knew where his reads were, I'd be concerned.

From all accounts he's the first one in and the last one to leave. For now, that's enough for me.

 

[Sportster 72]

I put no importance on last week. I more or less expected it. Might have been more interesting if McLaurin played. The kid is really raw. That is okay. I think he has the desire to fix that. Things he could get away with in college won't work in the NFL. He is here for four years unless he was traded. I am okay with him missing todays game. He may never see Belichek again. Me personally …. I would start him the rest of the year just so he can see how he reacts to NFL defenses.

 

[tlance]

Over the years I've noticed how little patience some posters here have with player and their performance. Still, in other posters, there's a level of patience that covers everything from conditional to complete freedom by disassociation. I'm certain that the time will come when Dwayne Haskins gets to start, what's uncertain is how much leeway you all are willing to allow before labeling him a "bust" or "that guy!"

If he shits the bed in his first start or lights up the competition will some here immediately jump to a conclusion? How many games constitute a good sample size? What does improvement/growth look like to you? You guys and lady get the idea...So, let's talk about it!

A good sample size to fairly evaluate his potential is at the end of next season assuming he has made at least 15 starts by then.

Give him enough game reps and enough film to see how he can adjust and learn from mistakes.

That said, I was predicting Haskins would be a bust before he was drafted. So I think that allows me to still point to a poor performance as an indicator I was right.

But I still definitely want him to get at least 1+ seasons of work before we even consider drafting another QB.

In all honestly though, all the discussion about what the Redskins should do is moot as long as Snyder and Allen are running the show. Because they will screw it up.

 

[gkekoa]

I don’t think there is a set sample size. He has the arm talent. He has been playing this game since before his birth...yes not literally.

Improvement is from the beginning of this season to the end. Is he learning from his mistakes? Is he in the film room? Is he building the required timing? Does his awareness in the pocket improve? Has he earned the respect from his teammates and does it show in the field?

Not all these things need to be noticeably better every week or even by season end. It is a process. If he still looks scared at the end of the season, then you worry.

 

[skinsdad62]

I think he is the qb we are looking for . Just get him reps

 

[tlance]

I think he is the qb we are looking for . Just get him reps

He has arm talent. No doubt.

But the single most important trait in QBs is their decision making skills and their ability to read defenses. I hope I am wrong and I believe Haskins needs to get a fair chance, but I do not believe he will ever develop those skills enough to be a good NFL QB.

 

[skinsdad62]

He has arm talent. No doubt.

But the single most important trait in QBs is their decision making skills and their ability to read defenses. I hope I am wrong and I believe Haskins needs to get a fair chance, but I do not believe he will ever develop those skills enough to be a good NFL QB.

No reason to believe he doesn’t possess that already .

 

[tlance]

No reason to believe he doesn’t possess that already .

I do have a reason to believe that actually.

There is a test out there that measures exactly that through a battery of tasks created by two neurologists. They have tested all the prospects from the last 3 or 4 drafts and only 3 or 4 NFL teams have access to the data.

Only 1 QB from the last 4 years scored lower than Haskins. And he was a massive bust. Guys who scored best were Mahomes, Murray, Watson and Lamar Jackson. Not exactly a coincidence.

So yeah, I have pretty good reason to think he does not possess the decision making skills needed to excel at the QB position.

 

[skinsdad62]

I do have a reason to believe that actually.

There is a test out there that measures exactly that through a battery of tasks created by two neurologists. They have tested all the prospects from the last 3 or 4 drafts and only 3 or 4 NFL teams have access to the data.

Only 1 QB from the last 4 years scored lower than Haskins. And he was a massive bust. Guys who scored best were Mahomes, Murray, Watson and Lamar Jackson. Not exactly a coincidence.

So yeah, I have pretty good reason to think he does not possess the decision making skills needed to excel at the QB position.

And what test is that ?

 

[tlance]

And what test is that ?

Sports sense

I have a buddy who works for one of the teams that uses it. He told me about the QB data.

 

[chillerdab]

Wonderlic?

 

[tlance]

Wonderlic?

No.

Wonderlic is garbage.

It is called Sports Sense

 

[Stymietee]

Is this what you're referring to?

SportsSense
https://www.sportssense.com
SportsSense takes advantage of decades of science to quantify the sports “instincts” that distinguish elite athletes from the rest. The SportsSense application has been demonstrated for the field, court and links, to measure the capability of athletes to think, understand, learn and execute at speeds relevant to in-game situations.

 

[Stymietee]

Of course training can and often does make earlier evaluative testing moot. Here is one such program that is designed to improve upon earlier SportSense testing.

gameSense Sports — gameSense Sports
https://www.gamesensesports.com/how-to-improve-reaction-time

 

[tlance]

Is this what you're referring to?

SportsSense
https://www.sportssense.com
SportsSense takes advantage of decades of science to quantify the sports “instincts” that distinguish elite athletes from the rest. The SportsSense application has been demonstrated for the field, court and links, to measure the capability of athletes to think, understand, learn and execute at speeds relevant to in-game situations.

Yes

 

[Stymietee]

One last thing with respect to this of this sort of testing. These tests are useful tools but absolutely not the best one in determining how good an athlete is or will be. The best form of testing for high performance athletes in elite sporting programs or at the professional level is competition.

 

[Sportster 72]

I never heard of that test. I do know one thing that separates the top QBs from others is their ability to see, process and execute. Many have the physical tools but not the processing skills.

 

[tlance]

One last thing with respect to this of this sort of testing. These tests are useful tools but absolutely not the best one in determining how good an athlete is or will be. The best form of testing for high performance athletes in elite sporting programs or at the professional level is competition.

Of course it is not the only thing thing that matters. You need the physical tools to match. But this is equally important.

The correlation for the QBs is extremely high. What the data shows is that the QBs who have not performed well on this particular test have also struggled during NFL competition.

Now, if the coaching staff knows what they have and is able to create a game plan that simplifies the QB reads then the team can still be successful.

But I don’t think that is too likely with this coaching staff.

I hope I am wrong.

 

[tlance]

I never heard of that test. I do know one thing that separates the top QBs from others is their ability to see, process and execute. Many have the physical tools but not the processing skills.

Nobody had heard of it because the teams that have it don’t want the other teams to get their hands on it.