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Im sure Thad Randle is a nice guy

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Wrong. You're all a bunch of dumb-fucks who don't understand. Stop attacking Bo.

Hush it. Me and Bo is tight, we're going to the swap meet on Sunday, you guys just don't know him. Sometimes we do have trouble deciding which isle to go down, but that doesn't really have anything to do with anything
 

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Hush it. Me and Bo is tight, we're going to the swap meet on Sunday, you guys just don't know him. Sometimes we do have trouble deciding which isle to go down, but that doesn't really have anything to do with anything

I'm a bolievin' bolover"
 

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Bo'sfootballnuts says "stop with the attacks".

Lol nuts good in my book he should have saved that tutorial for the players tho

Anyone that know an ounce of football know that whatever we are doing defense wise isn't working

1 gap 2 gap doesn't matter teams putting career numbers up against us
 

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I miss David, one of my favorite linebackers to watch play for the university. I would like to say he was in on almost every tackle, but he was the only one on the defense who COULD tackle lmao.
 

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Stanley is just as good as (well maybe not just as, but good enough) as David and we still suck.. takes more than one guy, unfortuneately
 

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Ya I don't think fb nut was defending Bo or even calling anyone out in particular, he was just making sure ppl know what they're criticizing when they talk abt Bo's scheme.

By the same token, myself and others have a fairly decent grasp of 1 and 2 gap schemes. It's just we see it plain as day that it's not working.

I think it's just a perfect storm of issues right now. Inexperience, low effort, hesitance, poor conditioning, poor chemistry, poor coaching etc. The list goes on and on.

The thing they can control the most is effort and attitude. It's just not there right now. I don't know if a scheme even exists right now that could get these guys playing better. If u can't get off blocks then there isn't a Scheme in the world u will play well in.
 

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Simply put, our D is chock full of guys who look like Tarzan and play like Jane.
 

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My point was people need to stop attacking what the man said. Bo is ripe for criticism as far as I'm concerned, he's playing the wrong players, and sticking to a scheme that isn't working (even though it DOES work). My point was that Bo's comments on the 2-gap were right, and not worth belly aching over.

My point is that Bo does KNOW defense, he's just too stubborn to cede when it isn't working. Thad Randle is one of the worst 2-gap tackles on our roster yet he gets a majority of snaps, and Kevin Maurice and VV are the best 2-gap tackles and Maurice gets little to no looks. It's about personnel and development, not the scheme IMO.

Heck we were calling high school defenses (man-under, single gap, or quarters coverage) and our players couldn't execute it. It's maddening. So in reality, I know people don't want to hear it, but it doesn't matter if we run single gap, 2-gap or 3-technique, until these players can start playing within a given scheme and actually make plays this defense will look putrid.

And yes, that all comes back to coaching. Play the right players, limit the defensive play book, call more blitzes and play more simple zone or man to man coverage. The players actually DO understand the defense IMO, it's just that they have to think about step 1, step 2, step 3 so much instead of just putting the foot in the ground letting it come naturally that they are a step slow to the hole... which gives up massive yardage in both the single and 2-gap schemes.

Not sure what it takes to fix other than more reps and more reps and more reps. IMO, the coaching staff should get a starting 11 and a second 11 and rep em to death together these next two weeks. Beat it into them until it's second nature.

I think we'll look pretty good against both Illinois and Purdue, then we have another BYE week before taking on Minnesota. We have that time to fix it. I hope it gets done. I do agree that Bo will likely add more to it as the season goes on and the players get comfortable. I'm all for competition but guys need to play with each other a lot to trust each other and lean on each other. It's time to cut the crap and name starters. Get Randle off the field.
 

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I went back and looked at the defense again specifically paying attention to run fits and it really is a combination of 3 major problems. 1. Bursting off the line when the ball is snapped. Thad is consistently dead last off the line and it's not even like he's stunting. The pic irule posted... There were like 15 snaps I saw in the first half alone where u could replicate that still image. Idl wtf that's about.

2. LB's consistently choosing the wrong gap to fill even when it's blatantly obvious which way the play is flowing. I'm wondering if Santos doesn't need his vision checked. He is so unaware at times it's scary. On top of that when he goes the wrong way there's often a guard there to meet him and take him out of the play entirely. Which leads me to my third point...

It's either one thing or the other that goes wrong for our DTs on any given play: The good 2 gappers that FBnut alluded to often shoot straight through the line and run past the play, stumbling clumsily and losing their balance in the backfield as if they didn't anticipate it being so easy to beat their man. By the time they recover and run to the ball it's too late. The bad 2 gappers which FBnut also alluded to do the dancing bear patty cake routine and RBs blow past them bc 1. They can't get off their blocks and 2. They misdiagnosed which way the play was flowing.


That is my extremely amateur analysis but it makes sense in my head.
 

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Do u guys realize Lavonte David is the number 1 fantasy IDP overall in the NFL right now? He is literally the best playmaker on defense on the face of the planet at this point...
 

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Nuts, Pant's, RA, all's us are basically saying the same thing here. Bo is lost on what to do with these guys and that's a pure coaching issue, he knows Defense, I don't doubt that, he doesn't know how to teach it very well to the players he recruited, that's what I'm left with. Coach Kaz Does Know How To Coach DLine, he's Bona-Fide. Who and why is and are, preventing Coach K from getting this done, we did hire him and all to do a specific job
 

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Blkflagmafia. Are you quoting McBride? Could I have a link I just want to read the article not doubting you.
 

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I mean Fb but aren't we all saying the same thing?

We've see the 2 gap at its finest in 09 and when he took lsu to the title game

But if it's not working it's on two things coaches or players
It's year 6 these are your players so why aren't they getting it
Bc every off season we here how good try are gonna be then season starts and were like eewwww defense stinks


Now the million dollar question is can this team be fixed defense wise?!!
Bo loyalty to senior is an issue as he will play upper classman over young guys that show potential

Bc the defense problems are a domino effect from DL to lb to secondary
 

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I mean Fb but aren't we all saying the same thing?

We've see the 2 gap at its finest in 09 and when he took lsu to the title game

But if it's not working it's on two things coaches or players
It's year 6 these are your players so why aren't they getting it
Bc every off season we here how good try are gonna be then season starts and were like eewwww defense stinks


Now the million dollar question is can this team be fixed defense wise?!!
Bo loyalty to senior is an issue as he will play upper classman over young guys that show potential

Bc the defense problems are a domino effect from DL to lb to secondary

Exactly

Go back through Bo's pressers even in the Suh years and you read the same thing as now. Execute, assignments, effort, yada yada players yada yada. It was even there in 09.
It really amplified when Suh left.
Been saying all along that Bo needs a Suh, Dorsey (natural strength) type player to make it work. They were 1st round/Top 5 draft picks. Those don't come around often enough.

This is all on Bo for NOT being a defensive guru.

The statements that "you don't understand" and "He's forgotten more about defense than most here know" are as fucking stupid and moronic as they come. We are not being paid $3 million a year to field a respectable defense.

Either Dobson has a severe flaw in his training program regarding 'specifics' for the big guys up front, or Bo is incapable of analyzing why his system isn't working after 6 years.
 

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Exactly

Go back through Bo's pressers even in the Suh years and you read the same thing as now. Execute, assignments, effort, yada yada players yada yada. It was even there in 09.
It really amplified when Suh left.
Been saying all along that Bo needs a Suh, Dorsey (natural strength) type player to make it work. They were 1st round/Top 5 draft picks. Those don't come around often enough.

This is all on Bo for NOT being a defensive guru.

The statements that "you don't understand" and "He's forgotten more about defense than most here know" are as fucking stupid and moronic as they come. We are not being paid $3 million a year to field a respectable defense.

Either Dobson has a severe flaw in his training program regarding 'specifics' for the big guys up front, or Bo is incapable of analyzing why his system isn't working after 6 years.

Like I said any systems works when you have the right players

But we don't and everyone but bo sees that

Every time he's interview or ask about the defense during practice it's all smiles and sunshine
The game day comes....

Since 2010 bo been hyping this defense every off season and it's been worse every season after 09

But it's ok October will expose the truth bc if Illini Purdue and minny get off on our defense then we will be in trouble ESP when bo plays a injured tmart
 
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