Im actually still confident we will win week one

[Sharkinva]

Its going to be an ugly low scoring affair. We will come out of it still wondering if Bob is capable of becoming a pocket passer.

But whats going to do it for us is the defense. RG3 will have a passing TD, Morris will have 100+ yards rushing and maybe a rushing TD. The Kicker... who ever that ends up being, will have 3 FGs for a end score of something like 23-17 Washington win.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Not a bad prediction.

I honestly have no clue, but pretty sure what we call on O will look different then what we saw last night.

 

[skinsdad62]

i think the focus on pocket passing is driving him nuts . role him out , use moving pockets and play to what he does best

 

[Caliskinsfan]

i think the focus on pocket passing is driving him nuts . role him out , use moving pockets and play to what he does best

You can see the indecisiveness and over thinking going on right now. All seems normal to me for a new style of play.

Agree that some bootlegs and more movement in space needs to be used as he learns and progresses.

 

[skinsdad62]

use him like kaepernick and wilson are and he will be fine

 

[Sportster 72]

i think the focus on pocket passing is driving him nuts . role him out , use moving pockets and play to what he does best

What does he do best? I don't think we know that. He has yet to show a propensity for throwing on the run.

 

[skinsdad62]

What does he do best? I don't think we know that. He has yet to show a propensity for throwing on the run.

did the 1st season drop off the planet ? i am pretty sure he completed 65% of his passes of various types

his bad year he completed 60 % of his passes .

he is a career 62.7 % passer which is just about where you want your WCO qb to be

so what is he ? either he can throw from the pocket and we are blind or he can throw on the run and we are blind or he can do either but he is better at one of them ?

again this guy has skills like kaep and wilson and he should be developed along those lines

 

[Sharkinva]

did the 1st season drop off the planet ? i am pretty sure he completed 65% of his passes of various types

his bad year he completed 60 % of his passes .

he is a career 62.7 % passer which is just about where you want your WCO qb to be

so what is he ? either he can throw from the pocket and we are blind or he can throw on the run and we are blind or he can do either but he is better at one of them ?

again this guy has skills like kaep and wilson and he should be developed along those lines

NO chance he could be a one hit wonder that happened to play in a system suited for his particular Skill set??

 

[Sportster 72]

did the 1st season drop off the planet ? i am pretty sure he completed 65% of his passes of various types

his bad year he completed 60 % of his passes .

he is a career 62.7 % passer which is just about where you want your WCO qb to be

so what is he ? either he can throw from the pocket and we are blind or he can throw on the run and we are blind or he can do either but he is better at one of them ?

again this guy has skills like kaep and wilson and he should be developed along those lines

I am not blind. You know as well as I do he played in an option offense that caught the league unprepared. So much so that the same offense was used by several other teams with great success.

You want him to run the read option offense his entire career? And yes I know that play was not run on every single play but the fear of that caused major indecision throughout the league.

I agree that he was hurt last year. Philly knew it game one and game planned him to have to read defense and pass. He was not successful. The mistakes he made last night were mistakes he made last year. Bad reads, holding the ball etc.

How many times did he roll out last night and throw the ball?

All that being said he will make plays this year. I have said 543 times already lets wait and see what happens when Gruden game plans for him. My guess is they have been running base offense in preseason. Griffin has never run that well. Game 1 could be something completely different.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

No way we beat watts clowny 'houston 24 skins 3

 

[Tdog21Skins]

use him like kaepernick and wilson are and he will be fine

Yeah, I don't know why we don't use RG3 like Kaepernick and Wilson

 

[Sharkinva]

Yeah, I don't know why we don't use RG3 like Kaepernick and Wilson

Because he doesnt want to play in that type of system. But that would just be my first guess.

 

[skinsdad62]

I am not blind. You know as well as I do he played in an option offense that caught the league unprepared. So much so that the same offense was used by several other teams with great success.

You want him to run the read option offense his entire career? And yes I know that play was not run on every single play but the fear of that caused major indecision throughout the league.

I agree that he was hurt last year. Philly knew it game one and game planned him to have to read defense and pass. He was not successful. The mistakes he made last night were mistakes he made last year. Bad reads, holding the ball etc.

How many times did he roll out last night and throw the ball?

All that being said he will make plays this year. I have said 543 times already lets wait and see what happens when Gruden game plans for him. My guess is they have been running base offense in preseason. Griffin has never run that well. Game 1 could be something completely different.

ok lets go over this again


the read option is a PLAY , not an offense we ran the WCO . The pistol is a formation . get that ?


now i have posted these stats before but i will go over it one more time since we forget

RG3 rushed 120 times total in 2012 . 61 of those attempts came via the read option PLAAAY . alfred morris carried 335 times of which another 100 were read option PLAAAAYS

that totals 161 total PLAYS not offenses

the skins ran a total of 961 plays that year

800 PLAYS were not read option or we ran about 7.7 plays to 1 read option PLAY

7x times more conventional plays then the gimmick read option PLAY not offense

we did not run a read option offense , there is no such thing

16 % of the plays we ran were read option plays 84% was not

84% clearly indicates we ran the WCO as out staple offense

now those are the figures , not the emotions , not the "what i saws" what i thinks , but the raw data

so again i ask why not use him like kaep ? why not use roll outs and moving pockets ?

 

[Sharkinva]

ok lets go over this again


the read option is a PLAY , not an offense we ran the WCO . The pistol is a formation . get that ?


now i have posted these stats before but i will go over it one more time since we forget

RG3 rushed 120 times total in 2012 . 61 of those attempts came via the read option PLAAAY . alfred morris carried 335 times of which another 100 were read option PLAAAAYS

that totals 161 total PLAYS not offenses

the skins ran a total of 961 plays that year

800 PLAYS were not read option or we ran about 7.7 plays to 1 read option PLAY

7x times more conventional plays then the gimmick read option PLAY not offense

we did not run a read option offense , there is no such thing

16 % of the plays we ran were read option plays 84% was not

84% clearly indicates we ran the WCO as out staple offense

now those are the figures , not the emotions , not the "what i saws" what i thinks , but the raw data

so again i ask why not use him like kaep ? why not use roll outs and moving pockets ?

Because that is was and always has been the Shanahan base offense... which he apparently couldnt or simply wouldnt run last year. Yes i know he was coming back off injury. But he insists he can be a pocket passer. So what makes you think he will accept being considered simply a mobile QB?? When all he has said is, I am (or can be) a pocket passer??? I know i know, the coach has to get him under control... well the last guy that tried got fired.

 

[skinsdad62]

Because that is was and always has been the Shanahan base offense... which he apparently couldnt or simply wouldnt run last year. Yes i know he was coming back off injury. But he insists he can be a pocket passer. So what makes you think he will accept being considered simply a mobile QB?? When all he has said is, I am (or can be) a pocket passer??? I know i know, the coach has to get him under control... well the last guy that tried got fired.

funny i never saw elway or plummer or cutler run an read option play in denver under shanny

i was looking for the shaub /yates read option package too . david carr ? anyone ?

but if course if the injured 3sus says he wants to be the next peyton manning or he will pout then who knows .?

 

[Sharkinva]

funny i never saw elway or plummer or cutler run an read option play in denver under shanny

i was looking for the shaub /yates read option package too . david carr ? anyone ?

but if course if the injured 3sus says he wants to be the next peyton manning or he will pout then who knows .?

Shanahans BASE offense is zone blocking for the run, and a mobile pocket for the pass. Exactly what you say we should do with Bob. Yet he seems to not want to do just that.

 

[Sportster 72]

ok lets go over this again


the read option is a PLAY , not an offense we ran the WCO . The pistol is a formation . get that ?


now i have posted these stats before but i will go over it one more time since we forget

RG3 rushed 120 times total in 2012 . 61 of those attempts came via the read option PLAAAY . alfred morris carried 335 times of which another 100 were read option PLAAAAYS

that totals 161 total PLAYS not offenses

the skins ran a total of 961 plays that year

800 PLAYS were not read option or we ran about 7.7 plays to 1 read option PLAY

7x times more conventional plays then the gimmick read option PLAY not offense

we did not run a read option offense , there is no such thing

16 % of the plays we ran were read option plays 84% was not

84% clearly indicates we ran the WCO as out staple offense

now those are the figures , not the emotions , not the "what i saws" what i thinks , but the raw data

so again i ask why not use him like kaep ? why not use roll outs and moving pockets ?

LOL, 20 years in football and dad (who knows cannons) is going to teach me. Much appreciated. I understand exactly what I said. You seem to be having the difficulty here sport.

If you don't understand the basic concepts I am talking about in laymans terms then there is no sense it trying to explain in more detailed terms and you don't know why Griffin had so much success (Kaep and Wilson too.)

If you don't think that offense is a base offense run at many universities around the country then you are dead wrong. Do you know why it is run? It is a simple offense that does not require a highly skilled QB but instead one who is athletically gifted. We could expound on this and expand the concepts but if you don't understand the first part then the rest won't make any sense to you.

 

[skinsdad62]

LOL, 20 years in football and dad (who knows cannons) is going to teach me. Much appreciated. I understand exactly what I said. You seem to be having the difficulty here sport.

If you don't understand the basic concepts I am talking about in laymans terms then there is no sense it trying to explain in more detailed terms and you don't know why Griffin had so much success (Kaep and Wilson too.)

If you don't think that offense is a base offense run at many universities around the country then you are dead wrong. Do you know why it is run? It is a simple offense that does not require a highly skilled QB but instead one who is athletically gifted. We could expound on this and expand the concepts but if you don't understand the first part then the rest won't make any sense to you.

i didnt say it was a base run offense . and i didnt say it was an option offense

the read option play was not the staple of our offense . the running game was but that isnt an "option " offense

we ran the WCO that emphasized the running game we didnt run the option offense

in fact most of our rushing attempts did not include the read option play i didnt see wishbones
or veers . i saw the pistol formation and WCO concepts run from it

the offense he ran in college was an option offense but that wasnt our staple

 

[RedskinzDan]

RGIII had such great passing numbers his rookie season because of the read option. The option opened the field, WRs were WIDE OPEN. No wonder his numbers looked so great.
Last year the threat of him running was taken away and the coverage tighten up. RGIII kept holding the ball, waiting for them to get open like the use to. Defenses also started blitzing up the middle, SACK. He can not read a defense, but he can throw a pretty ball if someone is wide open and the pocket doesnt colapse.
This year, his is healthier, but not the same still, maybe never will be. He still cant read a defense and the middle of the line is not much better. He has much better weapons, so maybe they have better luck getting WIDE OPEN. But unless we run some read option to open the field, we are no better than last year.
I see us going no better than 6-10 unless RGIII either wakes up one day and starts to learn how to read the defense or starts running the read option again. Or we pull him and let KC take over.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

RGIII had such great passing numbers his rookie season because of the read option. The option opened the field, WRs were WIDE OPEN. No wonder his numbers looked so great.
Last year the threat of him running was taken away and the coverage tighten up. RGIII kept holding the ball, waiting for them to get open like the use to. Defenses also started blitzing up the middle, SACK. He can not read a defense, but he can throw a pretty ball if someone is wide open and the pocket doesnt colapse.
This year, his is healthier, but not the same still, maybe never will be. He still cant read a defense and the middle of the line is not much better. He has much better weapons, so maybe they have better luck getting WIDE OPEN. But unless we run some read option to open the field, we are no better than last year.
I see us going no better than 6-10 unless RGIII either wakes up one day and starts to learn how to read the defense or starts running the read option again. Or we pull him and let KC take over.

Exactly how do you know all of this? Have you been to every practice this preseason? Are you close friends with Gruden or RG3? I seem to recall on a few series RG3 actually using secondary reads so at least to a small degree he does appear to read defenses. Please don't base everything on some preseason games.

Again - RG3 may very well fail, get benched or whatever. However - it is way too early to make conclusions on any of this, and all of us may be surprised by how certain players perform in the months ahead. Nothing like having reactionary fans who want to make a QB switch every time something goes remotely wrong. I can see it now - they bench RG3 - Cousins falls short & some of the same folks calling for RG3's head will want to reinsert him back into the lineup. Pretty amusing. Let's just let this play out a bit before going too crazy.