I never, EVER thought I'd say this.....

[cdumler7]

There were plenty of other games to choose from. There were more appealing games than Lions-Bears that you could have watched, but you chose to watch the lousy Bears. That tells me that you're still obsessed with Cutler after all these years.

Pat Bowlen is a good man, but he admitted that his memory was starting to fail around the time that Cutler debacle happened. Cutler said he called Bowlen, and Bowlen admitted that he might have forgotten. I'm not excusing Cutler as he acted like a prick during that mess. But there were a lot of people that deserved blame for that mess, with McDaniels being at the top of the list. Cutler was not mature back then, but he has matured greatly in the last couple years since having children. Look at the class that he handled his benching with. The Cutler of a few years ago would not have handled a benching with class. There's a such thing as a person maturing and becoming a better person. Cutler has made great efforts to mature, so he should be forgiven for the way he acted in the past. God believes in forgiving people. Try to let go of the hate you have for Cutler. God bless...

Cutler has shown he is very much at the top of the list of problems when he left Denver. Bowlen was showing signs of dementia yes but I would think even the biggest A-hole in the universe would show a bit more class knowing that that is happening than to then begin to demand a trade and try to badmouth somebody going through such a thing. Cutler's issue was the fact that the Broncos even took a call about a trade for a quarterback. I'm sorry but that is again just classless to think you are God's gift to man and the very thought of anybody not thinking that causing to happen what happened.

Now while I do think Cutler has matured going from that of a 3 year old in maturity level to maybe now that of a teenager is still putting him behind the curve. Again his teammates and coaches have both called him out for what he is doing on the field. He is not a guy they can rally behind to succeed and if anything his team has completely quit on him. All of a sudden in comes Claussen of all people and next thing you know the team looks much better. Obviously they still lost but the defense decided to step it up a bit even though there is nothing on the line but pride. Heck moments after Cutler was benched trade rumors started circulating. From what Adam Schefter has said the Bears might be willing to give up Cutler and a decent draft pick just to receive back a late round pick. They are willing to do just about anything possible from the sound of it to get this guy out of Chicago.

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

I don't think Broncos6482 or anybody for that matter expected a whole lot from Claussen. The guy is a career back up in the NFL if even that so the fact that they are starting him over Cutler just shows the team has completely quit on Cutler. Heck you can see it in his OL where they just have no desire to block for the guy anymore. Cutler is not a guy that a team can rally behind knowing they will have their back and lead them to victory. Cutler is the type of quarterback that when things are going well he can do alright. When things fall apart though Cutler is not a guy to speak up in the lockerroom and rally his team. So because of all that it made sense to make the switch to Claussen as there is nothing to lose at this point in the season. The team did seem to rally behind Claussen a little and played one of the more complete games especially on defense. Obviously the offense didn't put on a show but they also didn't go out and cost the team the game.

Cutler has worn out his welcome in Chicago just like he did in Denver. He will find work with another team but you have to start noticing there is a pattern in all of this. And also like Broncos6482 said Cutler's utter disrespect towards Bowlen, his teammates, and to us as fans will always have many of us cheering for him to fail in the NFL. He left Denver making sure to burn every bridge possible and I just can't respect a guy that has done that. I know you have in your head he has changed and matured since then and maybe he has, but it looks like once again he has worn out that welcome in Chicago. Nobody is rallying behind him and even teammates have spoken against him. Throw in the controversy of even his coaches speaking against him. You don't see that crap happen ever in the NFL so it should say something about Cutler.

I guess you missed the comments that Robbie Gould made about Cutler and Trestman. Do you need a link? You can see it on ESPN. He supports Cutler and thinks the benching was a bad idea. In fact a lot of Cutler's teammates have made positive comments about Cutler this season, including Forte and Kyle Long. Long defends Cutler to the death. Maybe you haven't noticed but anytime Cutler has taken a late hit, Long jumps up to defend him. They're very close according to all reports. The idea that players quit on Cutler is pure speculation on your part. Robbie Gould's comments are not surprising because it's pretty clear the team quit on Trestman. Not Cutler.

 

[WalkerBoh]

There were plenty of other games to choose from. There were more appealing games than Lions-Bears that you could have watched, but you chose to watch the lousy Bears. That tells me that you're still obsessed with Cutler after all these years.

Lions v. Bears had playoff implications. Why wouldn't the casual fan want to watch?

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

Lions v. Bears had playoff implications. Why wouldn't the casual fan want to watch?

Only for 1 of the teams. There were games on that had playoff implications for both teams. You'd think a game where 2 teams are playing for something would be more appealing than a game where only 1 team was playing for something. The only reason Broncos6482 watched the game was he was hoping to see the Bears offense look better, to make Cutler look bad. Which it didn't of course since they had only 234 yards and scored only 14 points despite getting 3 turnovers.

 

[Broncos6482]

There were plenty of other games to choose from. There were more appealing games than Lions-Bears that you could have watched, but you chose to watch the lousy Bears. That tells me that you're still obsessed with Cutler after all these years.

Pat Bowlen is a good man, but he admitted that his memory was starting to fail around the time that Cutler debacle happened. Cutler said he called Bowlen, and Bowlen admitted that he might have forgotten. I'm not excusing Cutler as he acted like a prick during that mess. But there were a lot of people that deserved blame for that mess, with McDaniels being at the top of the list. Cutler was not mature back then, but he has matured greatly in the last couple years since having children. Look at the class that he handled his benching with. The Cutler of a few years ago would not have handled a benching with class. There's a such thing as a person maturing and becoming a better person. Cutler has made great efforts to mature, so he should be forgiven for the way he acted in the past. God believes in forgiving people. Try to let go of the hate you have for Cutler. God bless...

Yeah, he said that, but then when he was interviewed during halftime of the preseason game in Denver, he was asked if he had any regrets about how things went down in Denver, and he said he regretted "not calling Bowlen" back. It was obvious Cutler was lied about it, and for all of McDaniels screw ups, trading away baby Jay was not one of them.

By the way, I watched a lot of different games on Sunday. The Bears/Lions game happened to be close, so I spent a lot of time on it. Don't make this into something it's not.

 

[Broncos6482]

Lions v. Bears had playoff implications. Why wouldn't the casual fan want to watch?

Not to mention it was close the entire game.

 

[Broncos6482]

Only for 1 of the teams. There were games on that had playoff implications for both teams. You'd think a game where 2 teams are playing for something would be more appealing than a game where only 1 team was playing for something. The only reason Broncos6482 watched the game was he was hoping to see the Bears offense look better, to make Cutler look bad. Which it didn't of course since they had only 234 yards and scored only 14 points despite getting 3 turnovers.

Wow, are you a mind reader or something? How could you possibly know that?

And exactly what game was on at the same time that had playoff implications for both teams, and was competitive? The only game that fits that narrative was Chiefs/Steelers.

You prove over and over again that you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

Wow, are you a mind reader or something? How could you possibly know that?

And exactly what game was on at the same time that had playoff implications for both teams, and was competitive? The only game that fits that narrative was Chiefs/Steelers.

You prove over and over again that you have no idea what you're talking about.

There was also Saints-Falcons. Not to mention that Pats-Jets was the game we should have been watching the most. It was a close game and I was rooting hard for the Jets to pull off the upset, since I want Denver to get the #1 seed. Sucks that the Jets blew that game.

I offer you my apologies. You clarified that you were watching several games, not just the Bears. I jumped to the wrong conclusion. My bad. God Bless.

 

[Broncos6482]

There was also Saints-Falcons. Not to mention that Pats-Jets was the game we should have been watching the most. It was a close game and I was rooting hard for the Jets to pull off the upset, since I want Denver to get the #1 seed. Sucks that the Jets blew that game.

I offer you my apologies. You clarified that you were watching several games, not just the Bears. I jumped to the wrong conclusion. My bad. God Bless.

Saints-Falcons wasn't close. Pats-Jets only had one team with playoff implications. And yes, I was keeping an eye on that game, too.

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

Saints-Falcons wasn't close. Pats-Jets only had one team with playoff implications. And yes, I was keeping an eye on that game, too.

Saints-Falcons was close most of the game, and then the Saints pulled within 6 again in the 4th quarter. It only got out of hand very late. BTW the Saints to me are the most disappointing team this year. I'm stunned at their record.

 

[Broncos6482]

I just went through and looked at the starting quarterbacks in the NFL, and there are 22 I would absolutely take over Cutler. In no particular order:

Brady
Orton
Tannehill
Dalton
Roethlisberger
Flacco
Luck
Manning
Rivers
Smith
Carr
Foles
Manning
Romo
Rodgers
Stafford
Bridgewater
Brees
Newton
Ryan
Wilson
Palmer

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

I just went through and looked at the starting quarterbacks in the NFL, and there are 22 I would absolutely take over Cutler. In no particular order:

Brady
Orton
Tannehill
Dalton
Roethlisberger
Flacco
Luck
Manning
Rivers
Smith
Carr
Foles
Manning
Romo
Rodgers
Stafford
Bridgewater
Brees
Newton
Ryan
Wilson
Palmer

Did you see how bad Stafford played yesterday? His passer rating is lower than Cutler's, but he has a great defense. He still has a lot to prove to be considered a very good QB. And a few of your other choices are pretty funny. Orton, are you kidding? He plays the game like a COWARD and has a mediocre career passer rating of 81. You won't find many that will take Orton over Cutler.


Andy Dalton has 15 TDs to 14 INTs this year. Some people don't seem to get that it's a TEAM game. Dalton hasn't played well but he plays on a good team this year. Cutler has played on a dysfunctional team this year.

 

[Broncos6482]

I didn't say it was a list of good qb's, I said it was a list of qb's I'd rather have than Cutler. Big difference.

I wouldn't want Dalton, Stafford, or Orton as my qb, but if I had to have any of them or Cutler, I'm not taking Cutler.

 

[iknowftbll]

You won't find many that will take Orton over Cutler.

You may be surprised. Orton is at least respected by other players. Cutler does not seem to have the level of respect amongst his peers as Orton does. Cutler is much more flashy, but I think there are a lot of fans who would take Orton over Cutler any time.

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

You may be surprised. Orton is at least respected by other players. Cutler does not seem to have the level of respect amongst his peers as Orton does. Cutler is much more flashy, but I think there are a lot of fans who would take Orton over Cutler any time.

I don't know how a guy that when he needs just 1 more yard for a 1st down, goes into a cowardly slide instead of going for the 1st down gets respect. Cutler makes a head first dive to get the 1st down in those situations. I have much more respect for the way a guy like Cutler plays the game. At least he shows toughness. Orton does not.

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

For people that think teammates don't respect Cutler, check out Robbie Gould's comments to support Cutler and blast Trestman...


Robbie Gould -- This season not the Chicago Bear way - ESPN Chicago

 

[cdumler7]

I don't know how a guy that when he needs just 1 more yard for a 1st down, goes into a cowardly slide instead of going for the 1st down gets respect. Cutler makes a head first dive to get the 1st down in those situations. I have much more respect for the way a guy like Cutler plays the game. At least he shows toughness. Orton does not.

I have much more respect for a guy that doesn't turn it over at an astronomical level like that of Cutler. I mean 18 interceptions and 12 fumbles on the year. That is at a rate of 2 per game! You are not going to win many games when your quarterback is doing that. I at least trust Orton for the most part to take care of the ball.

 

[iknowftbll]

I don't know how a guy that when he needs just 1 more yard for a 1st down, goes into a cowardly slide instead of going for the 1st down gets respect. Cutler makes a head first dive to get the 1st down in those situations. I have much more respect for the way a guy like Cutler plays the game. At least he shows toughness. Orton does not.

I'm not an Orton apologist, but I'd be surprised as all hell if Cutler had more respect amongst the other players across the league than Orton. You think Orton "plays like a woman" or whatever phrase you once used, so I think it's a fair question to ask, How many times have you been drilled by a 275lb DE or 330lb nose tackle? Have you ever been hit by a 255lb MLB coming at you at full speed up the middle? Since you're so critical of Orton, can you demonstrate how your skill set surpasses his?

 

[cdumler7]

For people that think teammates don't respect Cutler, check out Robbie Gould's comments to support Cutler and blast Trestman...


Robbie Gould -- This season not the Chicago Bear way - ESPN Chicago

So the kicker on the team says it then everybody else must feel the same way right? Guess you missed where Brandon Marshall spoke about it being a mistake to sign Cutler to a new deal or his OC not being happy with him.

I'm not saying Trestman is the answer at coach as I don't think he is a great coach but Cutler has had great coaches around him in Lovie Smith and Mike Shanahan and he still failed even with a great coach.

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

So the kicker on the team says it then everybody else must feel the same way right? Guess you missed where Brandon Marshall spoke about it being a mistake to sign Cutler to a new deal or his OC not being happy with him.

I'm not saying Trestman is the answer at coach as I don't think he is a great coach but Cutler has had great coaches around him in Lovie Smith and Mike Shanahan and he still failed even with a great coach.

Marshall is a nutcase. He badmouthed a lot of people, even the kicker. I have not heard 1 other player say a negative thing about Cutler. I have heard Gould and Kyle Long defend Cutler after the benching. I have not heard any players defend Trestman and the coaches. Well, except for Cutler.

Which brings me to another point. With how he has handled the adversity in recent weeks, how can you say he has only matured a little. He actually PRAISED Kromer after the coach went behind his back to the media. Talk about taking the high road. And then look at how he handled the benching. The Chicago media, which never had a good relationship with Cutler, raved about the class Cutler showed over the benching. We've seen signs that Cutler is GREATLY matured, so I don't know how you say maturity of a teenager.

And how can you say Cutler failed under Lovie Smith? He had a terrific winning percentage as starting QB under Smith. They were 10-6 the year Smith got fired and missed the playoffs on a tiebreaker. They made it to a championship game. Smith/Cutler was far from a failure.

I also wonder why you assume players quit on Cutler? They certainly didn't last season because they were only seconds from beating Green Bay the last week with division title on the line. They certainly didn't quit on Cutler under Lovie Smith, since the record was very good. So you assume they quit on Cutler because of ONE terrible season, a season in which everyone agrees there's terrible dysfunction under Trestman's coaching. That's a wild assumption to make, considering there were no signs of quitting before this season.