I never, EVER thought I'd say this.....

[AmericanTebowFan]

I have much more respect for a guy that doesn't turn it over at an astronomical level like that of Cutler. I mean 18 interceptions and 12 fumbles on the year. That is at a rate of 2 per game! You are not going to win many games when your quarterback is doing that. I at least trust Orton for the most part to take care of the ball.

It's a funny time to be defending Orton after he threw 2 INTs and lost to the lousy Raiders with his team's season on the line. Orton really hasn't done much in his career. To me he's an ok backup, but shouldn't be starting.

I know people don't like hearing it, but the 18 INTs is a little deceiving. Cutler has had several INTs on end of half hail mary plays. Like the 2nd one against Detroit where they put 1 second back on the clock and he just threw the ball up to the endzone for the heck of it, a completely meaningless play. Cutler could easily have 14 or 15 INTs which is reasonable for the large amount of attempts as Trestman doesn't run the ball much. Don't Rivers and Luck have around 16 INTs? It's not unusual for a QB to average around 1 INT a game which is fine as long as he's putting up big stats. Now where I agree with you on Cutler is the fumbles. He does have a problem there that he needs to correct. 12 fumbles is way too much.

 

[cdumler7]

Marshall is a nutcase. He badmouthed a lot of people, even the kicker. I have not heard 1 other player say a negative thing about Cutler. I have heard Gould and Kyle Long defend Cutler after the benching. I have not heard any players defend Trestman and the coaches. Well, except for Cutler.

Which brings me to another point. With how he has handled the adversity in recent weeks, how can you say he has only matured a little. He actually PRAISED Kromer after the coach went behind his back to the media. Talk about taking the high road. And then look at how he handled the benching. The Chicago media, which never had a good relationship with Cutler, raved about the class Cutler showed over the benching. We've seen signs that Cutler is GREATLY matured, so I don't know how you say maturity of a teenager.

And how can you say Cutler failed under Lovie Smith? He had a terrific winning percentage as starting QB under Smith. They were 10-6 the year Smith got fired and missed the playoffs on a tiebreaker. They made it to a championship game. Smith/Cutler was far from a failure.

I also wonder why you assume players quit on Cutler? They certainly didn't last season because they were only seconds from beating Green Bay the last week with division title on the line. They certainly didn't quit on Cutler under Lovie Smith, since the record was very good. So you assume they quit on Cutler because of ONE terrible season, a season in which everyone agrees there's terrible dysfunction under Trestman's coaching. That's a wild assumption to make, considering there were no signs of quitting before this season.

First off I would say making the playoffs once in 4 years with Lovie Smith is not that great of a showing. His record wasn't terrible but I wouldn't say it was great in that span either. His record was 36-28. So a little better than .500 but not by much.

The reason I say players quit on Cutler is body language. My actual job in this world in part is that of reading body language of people. I am a professional counselor so a big part of how people communicate is that through body more than by mouth. it is why when I hear people speak about this or that I don't usually listen to their words a whole heck of a lot. Words are important but you can get to the truth of the matter sometimes by reading the body more than the words. I've seen in the few games of late that I have watched of the Bears that after a guy gets past the OL player and hits Cutler more of a "Well that sucks...oh well" kind of attitude than a "oh crap I just let my quarterback get killed." Now in comparison Bronco OL players are visibly upset when Manning gets hit on the field knowing they have not only failed Manning but failed the team. So yes I am making a bunch of assumptions but this is from years of experience of watching people.

And while I am actually a little impressed with how Cutler has handled himself through some of this one time of acting mature does not show the whole body of work. I work with some 5-year olds who have had moments of great maturity to then go right back to throwing a tantrum the next time I see them. I need to see more of a pattern of maturity from Cutler than just one time of him being half way mature.

 

[cdumler7]

It's a funny time to be defending Orton after he threw 2 INTs and lost to the lousy Raiders with his team's season on the line. Orton really hasn't done much in his career. To me he's an ok backup, but shouldn't be starting.

I know people don't like hearing it, but the 18 INTs is a little deceiving. Cutler has had several INTs on end of half hail mary plays. Like the 2nd one against Detroit where they put 1 second back on the clock and he just threw the ball up to the endzone for the heck of it, a completely meaningless play. Cutler could easily have 14 or 15 INTs which is reasonable for the large amount of attempts as Trestman doesn't run the ball much. Don't Rivers and Luck have around 16 INTs? It's not unusual for a QB to average around 1 INT a game which is fine as long as he's putting up big stats. Now where I agree with you on Cutler is the fumbles. He does have a problem there that he needs to correct. 12 fumbles is way too much.

You need to pay attention to what is being said here. It is not any of us saying that we actually want Orton as our quarterback it is just that we would rather have Orton over that of Cutler at this time. While Orton hasn't been great by any means Cutler just is not a guy I would even want close to being on the Broncos. His not being on the Broncos goes beyond just the stats for me as again maturity wise and even more importantly leadership wise I don't think he is the voice that can rally a team to victory. He is good when things are going good but the slightest bit of adversity and really bad Cutler comes out to play.

 

[LucklessPadresFan]

But I actually am starting to feel just the slightest bit sorry for Jay Cutler. Dude has completely sucked it up this year after signing that massive deal, and he's being chewed up and spit out all over the place. Now he got benched in favor of Clausen.....does it get worse than that? Might just be the way dudes' face is, but he honestly looks like he's gonna throw himself into traffic.

I know most won't agree with me in feeling the slightest bit sorry, but he just looks so damned pathetic.

If Cutler was a victim of circumstances and bad luck, I might feel sorry for him. But this guy has a major attitude problem that has been an issue from day one. When you sign a $22 million contract, you'd better perform. Feel sorry for him? Not in the least. The guy needs to grow up, lose the petulant attitude and get out there and win a championship or two.

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

Well anyway I think its fitting and fair that Cutler gets to play next week, even though I don't wish injury on Clausen and hope he feels better. The coaches treated Cutler terribly. First Kromer with going to the media anonymously, and then Trestman trying to make Cutler the scapegoat by benching him for a player that clearly isn't better. Cutler turned around and handled those situations with great maturity. The positive things he said about Kromer despite what Kromer did, and the way he took accountability after the benching and talked openly and honestly to the media. Not to mention the extra time he put in to help and support Clausen. So I'm glad he's being rewarded by getting another chance, and it gives him a chance to get to 4000 yards and 30 TDs for the season. I predict he'll have his best game of the season. I think his teammates will play extra hard for him after the leadership he showed in the wake of the benching.

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

Actually cdumler Cutler's record as starting QB under Lovie Smith is better than what you said. According to pro football reference, here are Cutler's records as starting QB...


7-9
10-5
7-3
10-5


That's 34-22, a good winning perecentage. And if you look at the last 3 years, he was 27-13 which is terrific. Cutler and Smith had a very good record together. It was odd that Smith was fired after that kind of success.

 

[cdumler7]

Actually cdumler Cutler's record as starting QB under Lovie Smith is better than what you said. According to pro football reference, here are Cutler's records as starting QB...


7-9
10-5
7-3
10-5


That's 34-22, a good winning perecentage. And if you look at the last 3 years, he was 27-13 which is terrific. Cutler and Smith had a very good record together. It was odd that Smith was fired after that kind of success.

I apologize...I forgot Cutler was injured quite a bit so overall team record does not show how Cutler did when he was actually playing. The fact that every season but 1 he had to miss time though should be another showing of why I would take Orton over him at this time. I can't trust Cutler to stay healthy.

 

[Chewbaccer]

He gets paid sitting on the bench. Unless they have a child die, pretty much impossible for me to feel sorry for a multimillionaire.

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

I apologize...I forgot Cutler was injured quite a bit so overall team record does not show how Cutler did when he was actually playing. The fact that every season but 1 he had to miss time though should be another showing of why I would take Orton over him at this time. I can't trust Cutler to stay healthy.

Well the 7-3 season he had was the one that me missed most of the time, and that injury was a complete fluke. Remember he threw an INT that wasn't even his fault because it bounced off his own receiver's hands. Then he broke his thumb making a big time TD saving tackle. So that was a complete fluke and terrible luck. That play is also another example of why I like Cutler. He's goes ALL OUT to make tackles after he throws an INT. He's not afraid to throw big blocks. He dives head first to get more yards when he runs. He just plays the position in a tough, physical way. You can comment about his body language in between plays, but you cannot deny that he plays as hard as he can. Not all QBs do that. Which is why it drives me crazy when I hear some fans claim that he doesn't care. He's not an emotional player in between plays and on sideline, but watch him play the game and tell me with a straight face that he doesn't care. He gets a bad rap just because he's not a vocal, rah rah guy.

 

[BroncoInCALI]

I wonder if Baby Jay will have his Daddy return his playbook to the Bears facility when they trade his punka$$ to the Titans.....lol

 

[Broncos6482]

Well the 7-3 season he had was the one that me missed most of the time, and that injury was a complete fluke. Remember he threw an INT that wasn't even his fault because it bounced off his own receiver's hands. Then he broke his thumb making a big time TD saving tackle. So that was a complete fluke and terrible luck. That play is also another example of why I like Cutler. He's goes ALL OUT to make tackles after he throws an INT. He's not afraid to throw big blocks. He dives head first to get more yards when he runs. He just plays the position in a tough, physical way. You can comment about his body language in between plays, but you cannot deny that he plays as hard as he can. Not all QBs do that. Which is why it drives me crazy when I hear some fans claim that he doesn't care. He's not an emotional player in between plays and on sideline, but watch him play the game and tell me with a straight face that he doesn't care. He gets a bad rap just because he's not a vocal, rah rah guy.

Well he's certainly got a lot of experience doing that.

Seriously, dude, give it a rest. Cutler sucks. We all know it, the Bears know it, time for you to acknowledge it, too.

 

[beardown07]

 

[TxHeat]

Clearly he needs a change of scenery, not that it would really help. He is what he is, which is in the category of a Sanchez..lower levels of the NFL QB rankings.