Hunt For A Head Coach

[nefansince75]

Most owners and teams have gotten beyond the stereotypical biases of the past. Just as they have gotten beyond the old black quarterback biases.
The problem is being 'forced' to interview two minority candidates. No one like being forced to follow rules when hiring anyone. Why aren't teams forced to interview at last two female candidates for every position???

The Rooney Rules is a bullshit, save face. for the NFL.

I can't wait for a woman to sue the NFL because she didn't get an interview for a GM position. Half a trillion in damages???

How many female lineman (lineWomen?) are there? Part of the issue is the demographic makeup of coaches has been disproportionately white compared to the players.

The Rooney rule interviews are not sham interviews because they meet the intent of the rule and the coaching demographics are less disproportionate. NOTE, I'm not endorsing or demonizing the rule, just commenting on its current state.

 

[cdumler7]

How many female lineman (lineWomen?) are there? Part of the issue is the demographic makeup of coaches has been disproportionately white compared to the players.

The Rooney rule interviews are not sham interviews because they meet the intent of the rule and the coaching demographics are less disproportionate. NOTE, I'm not endorsing or demonizing the rule, just commenting on its current state.

I think the thought behind the rule was one with good intention. I do think that at times it can be harmful to the process though as we have seen teams who bring them in to satisfy the rule but don't even give them a real interview. Their real candidates will get something like 4 hours and dinner where they will spend maybe 2 hours with a minority candidate that they have no intention of hiring but just making sure they have played within the rules.

What I would love to see the NFL do is set up a better offseason program to help minority coaches to learn from veteran coaches. Kind of like we have a TE camp or an OL camp where the best in the game and some retired get together to help the young generation better themselves, I would love to see the coaches do something similar. I know they don't want to give away trade secrets of how they got to where they are, but still the NFL could come up with something especially with some retired coaches that could help guide them.

 

[BigKen]

I think the thought behind the rule was one with good intention. I do think that at times it can be harmful to the process though as we have seen teams who bring them in to satisfy the rule but don't even give them a real interview. Their real candidates will get something like 4 hours and dinner where they will spend maybe 2 hours with a minority candidate that they have no intention of hiring but just making sure they have played within the rules.

What I would love to see the NFL do is set up a better offseason program to help minority coaches to learn from veteran coaches. Kind of like we have a TE camp or an OL camp where the best in the game and some retired get together to help the young generation better themselves, I would love to see the coaches do something similar. I know they don't want to give away trade secrets of how they got to where they are, but still the NFL could come up with something especially with some retired coaches that could help guide them.

Coach helping someone who might be taking away his job??

I constantly remind my grandson to never train anyone 100% on any job he does. Never ever train or tell anyone the most critical thing he does.
BTW........he inserts those coded microwires in the paper for $100 bills. He's scored higher on the technical operation of the machine than the two engineers who invented it. Oh yeah. There's only one of these machines and it's located in NH. He has miraculous machine mechanical and operational ability. If the machine was anywhere but NH, the operator would be making at least $50 an hour, probably more. Not in NH.

Coaching is a completely different type of animal. One year, you suck eggs. The next year, you make a couple of personnel changes and you're a hero. You might or might not have control over your roster but you're expected to be competitive every year. Then you get fired. What if three of the guys you trained a couple of years ago are the main three going for your job? Was it because you trained them too well and then failed to follow what you advised them to do?

Best way to become a head coach in the NFL is to start as a player and understand the game from that perspective. Then coach a couple of positions, get a coordinator position and be successful. That will fill all of the holes of knowledge and that should also allow you to be around the head coach you're working with to ask question and observe what and how he does things.

 

[cdumler7]

Coach helping someone who might be taking away his job??

I constantly remind my grandson to never train anyone 100% on any job he does. Never ever train or tell anyone the most critical thing he does.
BTW........he inserts those coded microwires in the paper for $100 bills. He's scored higher on the technical operation of the machine than the two engineers who invented it. Oh yeah. There's only one of these machines and it's located in NH. He has miraculous machine mechanical and operational ability. If the machine was anywhere but NH, the operator would be making at least $50 an hour, probably more. Not in NH.

Coaching is a completely different type of animal. One year, you suck eggs. The next year, you make a couple of personnel changes and you're a hero. You might or might not have control over your roster but you're expected to be competitive every year. Then you get fired. What if three of the guys you trained a couple of years ago are the main three going for your job? Was it because you trained them too well and then failed to follow what you advised them to do?

Best way to become a head coach in the NFL is to start as a player and understand the game from that perspective. Then coach a couple of positions, get a coordinator position and be successful. That will fill all of the holes of knowledge and that should also allow you to be around the head coach you're working with to ask question and observe what and how he does things.

That is why I said you could bring in retired coaches to work with them rather than current ones. And I doubt a guy like Andy Reid is too worried about somebody taking his job. I get having trade secrets you don't want to pass on to someone else to show why you are valuable to keep around, but there are still things you can teach whether retired or not that are not giving away the biggest parts.

I guess then what is your plan to help minority coaches in the league get more chances that haven't always been there in the past?

 

[nefansince75]

Coach helping someone who might be taking away his job??

I constantly remind my grandson to never train anyone 100% on any job he does.

It's Suttle, but you are teaching him to disregard integrity. That type of passive resistance shows up in other places. My message to my kids: be good at what you do and you'll always be needed. The one I use with coworkers when I speak up about potential issues: if no good deed goes unpunished, I'd rather go through life getting punished than not do good deeds.

 

[BigKen]

It's Suttle, but you are teaching him to disregard integrity. That type of passive resistance shows up in other places. My message to my kids: be good at what you do and you'll always be needed. The one I use with coworkers when I speak up about potential issues: if no good deed goes unpunished, I'd rather go through life getting punished than not do good deeds.

He learned a very valuable lesson a year or so ago. Company he was working for produced plastic wrap for commercial use. They had a machine that was inoperable. Even the company that built it couldn't get it to do what it was designed to do. They asked him to take a look at it. He had it running in two days, producing more product in eight hours than three other machines could do in three shifts over five days. He told them he was coming down here for his vacation and they asked him to show a couple of new immigrants how to run the machine. He showed them everything and flew down herefor his vacation.

When he got back, they laid him off. He called me a couple of weeks later and asked me if he should help them fix the machine because the immies screwed it up. I told him to tell them to pay him $10,000 up front and $1000 an hour to repair the machine. Otherwise, go pound sand. The machine is still not running according to a couple of guys he worked with.

Fuck integrity. I learned fifty five years ago to never depend on anyone else. Doing that will get you killed. Make them depend on you and take every advantage of your skill and knowledge. Never let anyone else take advantage of it. My life. My rules. The gremlins are rattling their cages.

 

[BigKen]

According to Patriots.com, Ben Johnson was much better than expected during his interview yesterday. So good, that the decision between him and Mike Vrabel is about as thin as a piece of wet toilet paper.

Here are the factors for each....

Vrabel:
Head Coaching experience
Disciplinarian
History with the Patriots

Johnson:
Offensive Genius
Understands how to defeat defenses
QB teacher and guide

Factors against each....

Vrabel:
Temper that can explode
Ego that makes him difficult to moderate

Johnson:
Non-Aggressive
Never been a HC

Decision may take a week.........

 

[BigKen]

Tom Brady reportedly pushed Lions’ Ben Johnson to interview for Raiders HC job

The seven-time Super Bowl champion used his influence to encourage the Lions' offensive coordinator to meet with the Raiders about their head coaching vacancy.

www.mlive.com

 

[nefansince75]

He learned a very valuable lesson a year or so ago. Company he was working for produced plastic wrap for commercial use. They had a machine that was inoperable. Even the company that built it couldn't get it to do what it was designed to do. They asked him to take a look at it. He had it running in two days, producing more product in eight hours than three other machines could do in three shifts over five days. He told them he was coming down here for his vacation and they asked him to show a couple of new immigrants how to run the machine. He showed them everything and flew down herefor his vacation.

When he got back, they laid him off. He called me a couple of weeks later and asked me if he should help them fix the machine because the immies screwed it up. I told him to tell them to pay him $10,000 up front and $1000 an hour to repair the machine. Otherwise, go pound sand. The machine is still not running according to a couple of guys he worked with.

Fuck integrity. I learned fifty five years ago to never depend on anyone else. Doing that will get you killed. Make them depend on you and take every advantage of your skill and knowledge. Never let anyone else take advantage of it. My life. My rules. The gremlins are rattling their cages.

He did the right thing for the wrong people. Consistent integrity will win in the end.

I'm not a proponent of turning a cheek either. You are wrong about leading with integrity but right about not rewarding bad behavior. They may have found cheaper labor but they lost a leader.