Hue to interview

[bengaldoug]

Dalton's production fell off drastically from last year. It remains to be seen how much of that was the change in coordinators and how much was due to injuries to the receivers, but I think back to last year and Gruden's route designs seemed to get someone wide open frequently, and that just didn't happen this year under Hue.

 

[Tubbs1518]

I think Hue is a vastly better OC, I just don't think his offense fits Dalton. He has more of an upfield offense and Dalton can't do that.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I think Hue is a vastly better OC, I just don't think his offense fits Dalton. He has more of an upfield offense and Dalton can't do that.

I just do not remember seeing many deep passing routes under Hue's offense. Everything seemed underneath with screens, quick hitches and crossing routes.

Maybe I was only seeing where Dalton was throwing (the short route), it just didn't seem like Hue's offense forced a deep passing attack to me.

 

[Tubbs1518]

I just do not remember seeing many deep passing routes under Hue's offense. Everything seemed underneath with screens, quick hitches and crossing routes.

Maybe I was only seeing where Dalton was throwing (the short route), it just didn't seem like Hue's offense forced a deep passing attack to me.

Her probably didn't because he couldn't. One of the reasons he wanted Palmer was his deep passing ability.

 

[cincygrad]

I just do not remember seeing many deep passing routes under Hue's offense. Everything seemed underneath with screens, quick hitches and crossing routes.

Maybe I was only seeing where Dalton was throwing (the short route), it just didn't seem like Hue's offense forced a deep passing attack to me.

The last 4 weeks were all runs and dump offs..... He did what he could, but Dalton's physical limitations didn't help him.

The 3 yard pass to the tight end on 3rd and 7 seems to be our favorite play.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

The last 4 weeks were all runs and dump offs..... He did what he could, but Dalton's physical limitations didn't help him.

The 3 yard pass to the tight end on 3rd and 7 seems to be our favorite play.

Dalton has plenty of limitations, but he can still throw the ball 60 yards in the air. You are just making excuses for Hue now. The biggest problem was not having any receiving weapons and our offense going more run first approach.

 

[cincygrad]

Dalton has plenty of limitations, but he can still throw the ball 60 yards in the air. You are just making excuses for Hue now. The biggest problem was not having any receiving weapons and our offense going more run first approach.

I'm not impressed that he can throw it 60 yards. His accuracy on deep passes is awful.

Tate might not be much of a 'downfield' weapon, but he had his guy beat by 2 steps on that flea flicker on Sunday. Dalton made a piss poor pass.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I'm not impressed that he can throw it 60 yards. His accuracy on deep passes is awful.

Tate might not be much of a 'downfield' weapon, but he had his guy beat by 2 steps on that flea flicker on Sunday. Dalton made a piss poor pass.

100%

Dalton's arm strength is not the issue. His ability to anticipate the WR getting open, and putting the ball where the WR can run to it.

You have a WR on the outside running a 10 yard up and in...he's covered by the CB right up on top of him. The WR runs, hits his mark at the yardline, shakes to the outside, and cuts inside. Any good QB would have that ball out of his hands either at the mark, or the shake outside knowing with the CB right over top of him, that he's going to lean with the shake leaving the WR a small window to catch the ball when he cuts inside.

Dalton waits until AFTER the WR makes his cut, and by the time the ball arrives, the WR is either waiting on the ball, it is behind him, or the CB has recovered and it's a defended pass or INT...it's the same thing with the deep ball.

His inability to anticipate and locate prior to the WR actually being open leads him to passes where the WR has to slow down, wait, or watch it batted away/INT. His arm strength is fine...that isn't the issue. The issue is his head.

 

[bengaldoug]

100%

Dalton's arm strength is not the issue. His ability to anticipate the WR getting open, and putting the ball where the WR can run to it.

You have a WR on the outside running a 10 yard up and in...he's covered by the CB right up on top of him. The WR runs, hits his mark at the yardline, shakes to the outside, and cuts inside. Any good QB would have that ball out of his hands either at the mark, or the shake outside knowing with the CB right over top of him, that he's going to lean with the shake leaving the WR a small window to catch the ball when he cuts inside.

Dalton waits until AFTER the WR makes his cut, and by the time the ball arrives, the WR is either waiting on the ball, it is behind him, or the CB has recovered and it's a defended pass or INT...it's the same thing with the deep ball.

His inability to anticipate and locate prior to the WR actually being open leads him to passes where the WR has to slow down, wait, or watch it batted away/INT. His arm strength is fine...that isn't the issue. The issue is his head.

This......

 

[JBUCK66]

Hue is terrible. Gruden was and is terrible. Dalton chokes.

I guess I can live with Marvin's shortcomings. After all he's only been at it 16 years, and no I don't want to go back to 5-11 bengs

you have to be innovative in these modern times. you have to fool them. You have to out smart them.

 

[JBUCK66]

100%

Dalton's arm strength is not the issue. His ability to anticipate the WR getting open, and putting the ball where the WR can run to it.

You have a WR on the outside running a 10 yard up and in...he's covered by the CB right up on top of him. The WR runs, hits his mark at the yardline, shakes to the outside, and cuts inside. Any good QB would have that ball out of his hands either at the mark, or the shake outside knowing with the CB right over top of him, that he's going to lean with the shake leaving the WR a small window to catch the ball when he cuts inside.

Dalton waits until AFTER the WR makes his cut, and by the time the ball arrives, the WR is either waiting on the ball, it is behind him, or the CB has recovered and it's a defended pass or INT...it's the same thing with the deep ball.

His inability to anticipate and locate prior to the WR actually being open leads him to passes where the WR has to slow down, wait, or watch it batted away/INT. His arm strength is fine...that isn't the issue. The issue is his head.

personally I think Dalton just throws it up for grabs. You watch completed passes AGAINST the bengs and receivers are usually wide open

 

[BKBroiler9000]

The arm strength issue with Dalton has been overblown for 4 years now. Arm strength isn't the end all be all for playing good quarterback. It really only shows on improv plays outside the pocket and squeezing balls between defenders. QBs with less juice, can make up for it with impeccable timing (P. Manning) or accuracy and mechanics prudent to getting the most out of the body. Deep ball passing is not all about arm strength. There are plenty of big armed passers who struggle mightily throwing accurately downfield. Ryan Tannehill for the Dolphins come to mind. There is an article up on ESPN about the mechanics Aaron Rodgers uses when throwing the deep pass. He admits to having to change his motion because he struggled throwing deep balls. IMO Rodgers is the best downfield passing QB I've ever seen.

Drew Brees has never had the strongest arm. He has thrived in NO as a deep thrower because of mechanics and perfect tajectory and anticipation on throws. Tom Brady has never had a big time arm. Yet throughout his career has excelled in the deep passing game(although not so much lately) This is because he is the textbook on perfect mechanics, hip movement, wrist torque, etc.

The problem with Andy Dalton isn't arm strength. It never has been. The issues have always been an inability to anticipate throws, inability to diagnose coverage, refusal to step up in the pocket, and horrible tajectory on deep passes. Basically he's a big pussy.

 

[DanBengalfan]

on the infamous AJ juggling Hail Mary, he throws from the 42 to the 1. that's about 57 yards, and it hit the mob before landing in AJ's lap.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I'm not impressed that he can throw it 60 yards. His accuracy on deep passes is awful.

Tate might not be much of a 'downfield' weapon, but he had his guy beat by 2 steps on that flea flicker on Sunday. Dalton made a piss poor pass.

I am not backing Dalton, I am just not backing Hue as the next great thing either. That is the only point I was trying to make. Hue could have called more deep passes, but he didn't. It isn't that Dalton can't throw the ball down the field. Accurate, maybe not, but he still can to keep defenses honest.