here our some options for next year

[sublime4eva]

Oh you mean ILB and safety. Thanks.

No the interior line...The same thing that won us THREE SB's and what we seem to ignore yearly.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Didn't realize he was that old. Probably not.

Yep - Vilma was part of that great Miami Hurricanes class that was a major part of the 2004 NFL draft (6 players in top 21 picks). If the great Sean Taylor was still alive he would be 31 next season (so sad).

 

[skinsdad62]

No the interior line...The same thing that won us THREE SB's and what we seem to ignore yearly.

we havent "ignored it . we have made several attempts thru the draft to address it

the truth you dont seem to want to see is that our o/line has made out rush offense a top 5 outfit . we have given up 19 sacks so we are in the top 3rd there (at worst )

we are a top 5 offensive team 2 years running . you cant be that and have a crappy o/line

now if we can get a young mack and/or beadles then i am all ears

but our defense is ranked in the 30's 2 years running and we are on pace to give up 510 points

that is the greatest issue

 

[sublime4eva]

I said we need LB'S and secondary help too.

But I think our biggest need is on both lines.

 

[gkekoa]

I said we need LB'S and secondary help too.

But I think our biggest need is on both lines.

This is why you are clueless.

 

[skinsdad62]

I said we need LB'S and secondary help too.

But I think our biggest need is on both lines.

my plan would be to address the defense in 2014

live with the o/line for another year since stats bear out that they are a good line in most areas unless a Mack or beadles is available

then i would spend the full 2015 draft on getting replacements for the interior o/line with higher picks

now if we get to round 2 next year and a top notch OG or C was available and it gave us better value then a defender then i would give the lineman a shot

we still have gettis in the mix who could be an upgrade over chester . Ribeye seems to be content with eating himself out of the NFL . he should be cut soon . hurt could get a look to in place of Stieger

 

[gkekoa]

No the interior line...The same thing that won us THREE SB's and what we seem to ignore yearly.

3 Superbowls were won by running the football. We were number one in the NFL last season in rushing and this year we are back to #1.
The first Super Bowl was won by an offensive line that got their QBs leg broken and ended his career. You see...QBs get hit. Our QB doesn't get hit any more than most other QBs. Many of these hits are because of our QB. He has to learn how to read a defense and sense the pressure.

 

[j_y19]

Just so everyone understands what FAs will cost, including re-signing our own, I've garnered these numbers from over the cap.com. These are 2013 numbers and ill include the key positions we will be looking for:
Top 10 Mid range
Safety $10M/yr $6M
ILB $10M $7M
CB $12-16M $8M
OLB $13M $7-8M
WR $12-16M $8--10M
G $9M $6M
C $8M $5M
RT $7M $3.5M

So when you start talking about the $32M that we have, you need to remember that we have over 15 of our own that are FAs next year that have to be signed or replaced out of the 32M. Some will be signed for significant raises such as RAK (7-10M), Riley (7-8M), Hall (5-6M). Then we have to make decisions on wilson, biggers, Morgan, Moss, Jackson, and a handful of others. Some will be replaced with rookies. If we don't re-sign wilson, we will need to replace him, most likely at a similar cost in the 4-6M range. Jackson is an interesting case. If we resign Rak, my guess is jackson leaves. But if we don't, we need Jackson. He could garner a contract in the $4-6M range if he is expected to be our starter. So you can see that this money will go quickly. I've seen Dad's idea of freeing up more and its a possibility, but its still not enough to solve all our issues.

I would focus on S and ILB for next year for new players via FA. I would try and sign rak to a 5 year deal in the $40M range. I would resign hall for 3 years for $15M. I would resign Wilson for $3M. I would sign Riley for 5 years for $27M. I would let Moss and Morgan walk. I would pray hard that Hankerson heals for next season. I would pick up a value WR vet at $6-8M for one year. I would also draft a WR. I would go hard after Mack. Pay him as a top Center. I think it was GK that said having a top center is the second most important line position. I would then hope that Gettis can step in for Chester. Licht gets one more year. That would be about all we can afford this year.

 

[skinsdad62]

Just so everyone understands what FAs will cost, including re-signing our own, I've garnered these numbers from over the cap.com. These are 2013 numbers and ill include the key positions we will be looking for:
Top 10 Mid range
Safety $10M/yr $6M
ILB $10M $7M
CB $12-16M $8M
OLB $13M $7-8M
WR $12-16M $8--10M
G $9M $6M
C $8M $5M
RT $7M $3.5M

So when you start talking about the $32M that we have, you need to remember that we have over 15 of our own that are FAs next year that have to be signed or replaced out of the 32M. Some will be signed for significant raises such as RAK (7-10M), Riley (7-8M), Hall (5-6M). Then we have to make decisions on wilson, biggers, Morgan, Moss, Jackson, and a handful of others. Some will be replaced with rookies. If we don't re-sign wilson, we will need to replace him, most likely at a similar cost in the 4-6M range. Jackson is an interesting case. If we resign Rak, my guess is jackson leaves. But if we don't, we need Jackson. He could garner a contract in the $4-6M range if he is expected to be our starter. So you can see that this money will go quickly. I've seen Dad's idea of freeing up more and its a possibility, but its still not enough to solve all our issues.

I would focus on S and ILB for next year for new players via FA. I would try and sign rak to a 5 year deal in the $40M range. I would resign hall for 3 years for $15M. I would resign Wilson for $3M. I would sign Riley for 5 years for $27M. I would let Moss and Morgan walk. I would pray hard that Hankerson heals for next season. I would pick up a value WR vet at $6-8M for one year. I would also draft a WR. I would go hard after Mack. Pay him as a top Center. I think it was GK that said having a top center is the second most important line position. I would then hope that Gettis can step in for Chester. Licht gets one more year. That would be about all we can afford this year.

i see 31 mil, plus more in cuts . we havent looked at some restructures yet

this draft will be key and we will need 2 starters out of it

 

[j_y19]

Yup. Might be why we have to trade Cousins. We need to picks.

 

[skinz2winz]

I'm not up for resigning guys like Hall at that kind of money or keeping guys who can't tackle like Wilson or Biggers. Moss, it's been a fun ride. Morgan is also on the way out. If you really want Riley around here for 5 years at 27M, then pass the pipe because he is an average LB. I really thought he would bloom into that star type player but now, I just don't see it. I'm more interested in seeing what a healthy Robinson can do with reps. We can clear a lot of cap space by letting unproductive players go and taking a chance on letting Rak go and keeping Jackson which is an idea I like. I like Rak but the money he will want doesn't jive with his production imo.

I know what your going to say, letting guys go doesn't solve our issues with limited draft picks or receiving value in FA at certain positions. Look, that's the GM's job to be resourceful with spending money wisely and drafting wisely. Can't wait to see how this off season shakes out, including in the coaching ranks.

 

[j_y19]

OK, so you let wilson, biggers and hall go. Who are your CBs? You need to now sign 3 at an average price of 7-8M/year. How you going to do that?

the mid range price for an ILB is $7M. I proposed re signing Riley for less than that. OK, we let him go. Now you need 2 at an average price of $7M. How you going to do that?

As far as letting unproductive players so, I'm all for it. But you have to replace them. And their replacements don't work for free.

In theory, it all sounds great until you actually have to fit it all under a cap. Of course its a GMs responsibility to do this. But isn't that why we all participate in these forums? To offer our opinions and hear the opinions of others. In reality, none of what we propose will ever come to fruition.

 

[skinsdad62]

I'm not up for resigning guys like Hall at that kind of money or keeping guys who can't tackle like Wilson or Biggers. Moss, it's been a fun ride. Morgan is also on the way out. If you really want Riley around here for 5 years at 27M, then pass the pipe because he is an average LB. I really thought he would bloom into that star type player but now, I just don't see it. I'm more interested in seeing what a healthy Robinson can do with reps. We can clear a lot of cap space by letting unproductive players go and taking a chance on letting Rak go and keeping Jackson which is an idea I like. I like Rak but the money he will want doesn't jive with his production imo.

I know what your going to say, letting guys go doesn't solve our issues with limited draft picks or receiving value in FA at certain positions. Look, that's the GM's job to be resourceful with spending money wisely and drafting wisely. Can't wait to see how this off season shakes out, including in the coaching ranks.

why keep a jackson , when he isnt as productive as the guy he is behind ?

 

[skinsdad62]

Jackson , games 57, GS 14, tkls 42 sacks 7.5 PDS 8 5INTS 3FF

orakpo games 51 GS 51, tackles 204, sacks 35, PDS 16, 1INT 6 FF's

not even close

never mind that Rak has never been a DE as a pro and jackson has and he was a BU there too

no one knows what Raks price will be but PFF ranks him as our best defender by far and it isnt very close

 

[gkekoa]

Last year CB FAs did not garner the money they did historically. I think Hall can be had at close to 5 mil/season. I would offer Wilson 2 mil/season, nothing more. Biggers can go or we offer him 1 mil/season.

I'd offer Riley 3 to 4 mil/season.

There is no way I'd pay a WR 8 mil for one season. It's a waste of money.

Jackson will not come close to 4 mil/season. I'd offer him 1.5 and accept 2.

 

[skinsdad62]

Last year CB FAs did not garner the money they did historically. I think Hall can be had at close to 5 mil/season. I would offer Wilson 2 mil/season, nothing more. Biggers can go or we offer him 1 mil/season.

I'd offer Riley 3 to 4 mil/season.

There is no way I'd pay a WR 8 mil for one season. It's a waste of money.

Jackson will not come close to 4 mil/season. I'd offer him 1.5 and accept 2.

GK we have a segment of fans on this board that believe we should let RAK walk and that Jackson is a better player

they cant separate that i used the franchise tag on him as a budgeting tool and believe i advocate 10 mil a season for the foreseeable future

they believe the world would spin off its axis if we dared pay our best defender 10 mil for one season while a new contract is negotiated

then we have a segment that believes going back to the 3-4 will suddenly enable kerrigan and rak to develop counter moves in their pass rush and that their slightness in weight will in no way affect their ability to stop the run

they say they "study " football but they dont understand the 3-4 haslett runs is read and react and that is why you arent seeing these huge sack numbers other 3-4 systems can and will work for us if we get the right players in addition to what we have

i think both Rak and kerrigan have a shot at double digit sacks which would be pretty good for us but all they see is that panacea of the 4-3

it will take a couple of years to get that system in place but these "long suffering " fans just dont see that

Just have a rob jackson back up rak again at DE or play OLB and cover Rbs and Te's. never mind that we dont have 2 run stuffing DTs or 2 4-3 OLBS and we still have a ravaged secondary

all of this will come together in one off season and all will be well in redskins nation

 

[gkekoa]

I'm not even for paying RAK 10 mil/season though. His production in his first 4 years doesn't warrant that kind of money. I'm sitting closer to 7 and will accept 8.

 

[j_y19]

I think that's a fair number. Question is will anyone else pay him more? Are we prepared to let him walk? There aren't many OLBs of quality in FA this year, so he might attract attention and draw a premium.

 

[sublime4eva]

I think I was a little over dramatic on saying we need to get rid of most of our offensive line, we could use a better RT and getting another C wouldn't hurt but our biggest need is obviously on defense , our ILB position is hurting Fletcher God bless him is getting old and Riley just can't cover in space....
Not sure if Thomas will be any good when comes back next season so could use another safety and CB.
Would love to see us get another solid wr too.

 

[sublime4eva]

I think that's a fair number. Question is will anyone else pay him more? Are we prepared to let him walk? There aren't many OLBs of quality in FA this year, so he might attract attention and draw a premium.

WHY d we let Landry walk?