Hendrickson, Higgins, and Chase

[CrashDavisSports]

Tid Bit about the Hendrickson Saga.

'They're Being Unreasonable' - NFL Executives Address State of Trey Hendrickson Trade Market

Cincinnati has not signed Hendrickson to a long-term extension yet.

www.si.com

I also saw some Internet wannabe reporter hand out a trade idea that would send Hendrickson to Detroit for the #27 overall pick this year, their 3rd rounder, and then a conditional 3rd to 4th rounder next year.

At this point, I would take that. May even be an overpay on Detroit's part. Supposedly, the rest of the league is getting sick of the Bengals being unreasonable with their expectations on Hendrickson's trade compensation. Hendrickson belongs to the Bengals assholes, we can ask for whatever we want, and if you don't like it, don't offer. It is really as simple as that.

Do I fully agree with the Bengals here, not at all. However, that is the way it is. The Bengals want X, Y and Z, the rest of the league is only wanting to give up Y.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Been out a minute on PTO - just getting caught up.

I don't agree with "Trey can just sit out for 6 games, or act hurt and not play". I'm not worried whether Trey gets paid this year, or not. Sunk cost in my mind as the primary portion of F/A is over. Unless they decide to use that to extend some other players, it's a moot point.

Trey still needs to play. He's going to be 31 this year. While teams may not care much about signing guys into their 30's, they usually don't sign guys from other teams to long-term deals with big money who are already approaching mid-30's before the 1st year of the contract is even dry. Trey turns 32 during next season. If he sits out any portion, and has a "slow" year, or a "down" year - it's going to hurt him a lot more than I think some are admitting. Yes, teams will point to bad pre-season, no reps, contract situation - but...you also have to wonder...at least some...how much is a guy going to be worth who just went ham for 35 sacks in 2 season, then turned 31 and (regardless of games played by sitting out or not) didn't look great. You're signing him to a 3 or 4 year deal in a year where he turns 32....and a no so great 2025 (again, regardless of situation).

Bengals still hold the cards here. They can also tag-trade him next year and still get at least a mid-round for him. So - yeah, the Bengals asking for a 1st and 3rd (IMO) is not out of question - and should be the expectations, IMO. Otherwise, Trey can figure out a deal that works for staying, or he can play and cash in by having a really good year (again) - but not having a good year, regardless of situation, isn't ideal for Trey in any way, shape, or form.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Been out a minute on PTO - just getting caught up.

I don't agree with "Trey can just sit out for 6 games, or act hurt and not play". I'm not worried whether Trey gets paid this year, or not. Sunk cost in my mind as the primary portion of F/A is over. Unless they decide to use that to extend some other players, it's a moot point.

Trey still needs to play. He's going to be 31 this year. While teams may not care much about signing guys into their 30's, they usually don't sign guys from other teams to long-term deals with big money who are already approaching mid-30's before the 1st year of the contract is even dry. Trey turns 32 during next season. If he sits out any portion, and has a "slow" year, or a "down" year - it's going to hurt him a lot more than I think some are admitting. Yes, teams will point to bad pre-season, no reps, contract situation - but...you also have to wonder...at least some...how much is a guy going to be worth who just went ham for 35 sacks in 2 season, then turned 31 and (regardless of games played by sitting out or not) didn't look great. You're signing him to a 3 or 4 year deal in a year where he turns 32....and a no so great 2025 (again, regardless of situation).

Bengals still hold the cards here. They can also tag-trade him next year and still get at least a mid-round for him. So - yeah, the Bengals asking for a 1st and 3rd (IMO) is not out of question - and should be the expectations, IMO. Otherwise, Trey can figure out a deal that works for staying, or he can play and cash in by having a really good year (again) - but not having a good year, regardless of situation, isn't ideal for Trey in any way, shape, or form.

About damn time you return, I was getting lonely. hahahaha

Board has been dead since Thursday.

 

[Cincyfan78]

About damn time you return, I was getting lonely. hahahaha

Board has been dead since Thursday.

Yeah, wife and I went on our first Cruise for our 20th. Had my phone, but didn't take the laptop - and posting from the phone is just too dang hard. Add in a few cocktails, and I probably would have been challenging someone to meet me at the Dayton Mall once I got back on land...hahahaha

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Yeah, wife and I went on our first Cruise for our 20th. Had my phone, but didn't take the laptop - and posting from the phone is just too dang hard. Add in a few cocktails, and I probably would have been challenging someone to meet me at the Dayton Mall once I got back on land...hahahaha

Nothing to fight about brother, we all know we suck. hahaha

Congrats on the 20th. Hope you had a wonderful time. My condolences to the wife for that many years. hahaha

 

[Cincyfan78]

Nothing to fight about brother, we all know we suck. hahaha

Congrats on the 20th. Hope you had a wonderful time. My condolences to the wife for that many years. hahaha

Thanks!

She makes questionable choices, that is for sure...HA!

Then again - so do I. As proof - I am here, on the Bengals board...lol

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Thanks!

She makes questionable choices, that is for sure...HA!

Then again - so do I. As proof - I am here, on the Bengals board...lol

Spittin' facts my brother!

 

[cincygrad]

Been out a minute on PTO - just getting caught up.

I don't agree with "Trey can just sit out for 6 games, or act hurt and not play". I'm not worried whether Trey gets paid this year, or not. Sunk cost in my mind as the primary portion of F/A is over. Unless they decide to use that to extend some other players, it's a moot point.

Trey still needs to play. He's going to be 31 this year. While teams may not care much about signing guys into their 30's, they usually don't sign guys from other teams to long-term deals with big money who are already approaching mid-30's before the 1st year of the contract is even dry. Trey turns 32 during next season. If he sits out any portion, and has a "slow" year, or a "down" year - it's going to hurt him a lot more than I think some are admitting. Yes, teams will point to bad pre-season, no reps, contract situation - but...you also have to wonder...at least some...how much is a guy going to be worth who just went ham for 35 sacks in 2 season, then turned 31 and (regardless of games played by sitting out or not) didn't look great. You're signing him to a 3 or 4 year deal in a year where he turns 32....and a no so great 2025 (again, regardless of situation).

Bengals still hold the cards here. They can also tag-trade him next year and still get at least a mid-round for him. So - yeah, the Bengals asking for a 1st and 3rd (IMO) is not out of question - and should be the expectations, IMO. Otherwise, Trey can figure out a deal that works for staying, or he can play and cash in by having a really good year (again) - but not having a good year, regardless of situation, isn't ideal for Trey in any way, shape, or form.

Trey strikes me as a weird guy. I really wouldn't be surprised if he sat out the year - Even if it meant he couldn't play again. I don't think most people are wired that way, but Trey might be.

Regardless of what happens, it's a bad look for the Bengals. They'll claim they learned their lesson when they gave third deals to Dunlap and Atkins. But every Bengal fan knows that those deals were not what stopped that team from moving forward - it was a lack of talent identified and developed in the draft during the back end of the Dalton era and the insistence of replacing some core vets with unproven rookies. The issue with the Bengals is that they have the money and it wouldn't hurt their roster construction to sign Trey - Everyone knows this.... And it's 100% a bad look for them even if they do hold some cards.

 

[DanBengalfan]

they going to sell a lot of burrow chase and higgins jerseys tho

 

[Cincyfan78]

Trey strikes me as a weird guy. I really wouldn't be surprised if he sat out the year - Even if it meant he couldn't play again. I don't think most people are wired that way, but Trey might be.

Regardless of what happens, it's a bad look for the Bengals. They'll claim they learned their lesson when they gave third deals to Dunlap and Atkins. But every Bengal fan knows that those deals were not what stopped that team from moving forward - it was a lack of talent identified and developed in the draft during the back end of the Dalton era and the insistence of replacing some core vets with unproven rookies. The issue with the Bengals is that they have the money and it wouldn't hurt their roster construction to sign Trey - Everyone knows this.... And it's 100% a bad look for them even if they do hold some cards.

Correct. They didn't raise the floor of talent around those guys, so that when the inevitable drop-off came - there wasn't anyone even close to holding the line until they could identify a replacement. They relied (and still do) too much on their stars carrying their unit far too much. A great example here is the offense...They rely on Burrow/Chase/Higgins to carry that offense, and completely have ignored the OL for years....

 

[DanBengalfan]

for most of their games, the Bengals defense was good enough.

they weren't good enough for the Eagles and Ravens, but the Bengals aren't alone there.

The kiss of death and huge red flag once again in 2024 was the SLOW START
Injuries and contract issues effected who played the first 5 games and how well. we were surprised by Washington's offense, and so were a lot of teams.

maybe there's hope, but we can't start 1-4 again. if that happens again, it's time for a coaching change, they have to realize that by now.

 

[Cincyfan78]

for most of their games, the Bengals defense was good enough.

they weren't good enough for the Eagles and Ravens, but the Bengals aren't alone there.

The kiss of death and huge red flag once again in 2024 was the SLOW START
Injuries and contract issues effected who played the first 5 games and how well. we were surprised by Washington's offense, and so were a lot of teams.

maybe there's hope, but we can't start 1-4 again. if that happens again, it's time for a coaching change, they have to realize that by now.

The slow start on offense hurt - no doubt. Likely should have been 2-2 at worst...but to say that the defense was good enough for "most" of their games is...well...you tell me:

The defense had games giving up: 38 (offense scored 33), 41 (offense scored 38), 37, 35 (offense scored 34), 34 (offense scored 27), and 44 (offense scored 38). All losses despite a well above average from the offense.

The games where they gave up 27 (highest score in a win, gave up to Tenn...not a good offense) or less...were against the Browns (twice), Giants, Panthers, Raiders, Dallas, and Steelers (after giving up 41 earlier). Not exactly what you call "tough" assignments for a defense.

The defense gave up over 25 PPG, and that is WITH giving up 20 or less, to Cleveland, Pitt, NYG, Brisset led NE, and Cooper Rush led Cowboys. Take away the Cowboys, and it was 17 pts or less.. They had 2 games where they gave up less than 10 pts (6 and 7) and STILL averaged over 25PPG....the defense was a real problem.

 

[DanBengalfan]

it wasnt great, but it was ok-ish.

we could actually make the playoffs this year if we can maintain what we did against several teams that weren't Baltimore, the eagles, Pittsburgh, Washington, and maybe a few others I missed.


I do wish we had another major defensive star that was kind of the leader. I don't think the super bowl is a possibility with offense alone.

 

[Cincyfan78]

it wasnt great, but it was ok-ish.

we could actually make the playoffs this year if we can maintain what we did against several teams that weren't Baltimore, the eagles, Pittsburgh, Washington, and maybe a few others I missed.


I do wish we had another major defensive star that was kind of the leader. I don't think the super bowl is a possibility with offense alone.

We may have to agree to disagree on this. The defense was putrid. Flat out. If they weren't playing a below average team, they struggled big time - and even then, they had a lot of bumps against subpar QB's/Offenses.

25th in yards allowed. 26th in points allowed.

I will say this - they were 9th in turnovers created, which is great - but when you factor in all those stops by way of turnover and STILL give up that many yards/points...the drives that didn't end with turnovers were ending in long drives with points. This happens because they gave up a whopping 42% 3rd down conversion rate. They also gave up 59% on 4th down.

They don't need to be world beaters, that's for sure...but at the end of the day the Bengals put out the MOST prolific offense in team HISTORY and MISSED the playoffs...because the defense could not get stops when they mattered.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

for most of their games, the Bengals defense was good enough.

they weren't good enough for the Eagles and Ravens, but the Bengals aren't alone there.

The kiss of death and huge red flag once again in 2024 was the SLOW START
Injuries and contract issues effected who played the first 5 games and how well. we were surprised by Washington's offense, and so were a lot of teams.

maybe there's hope, but we can't start 1-4 again. if that happens again, it's time for a coaching change, they have to realize that by now.

How about the Commanders game? Bengals never punted and scored 33 points. They lost by the way. How about the Broncos game? Chargers game? Steelers? Our defense was complete shit brother.

 

[cincygrad]

We may have to agree to disagree on this. The defense was putrid. Flat out. If they weren't playing a below average team, they struggled big time - and even then, they had a lot of bumps against subpar QB's/Offenses.

25th in yards allowed. 26th in points allowed.

I will say this - they were 9th in turnovers created, which is great - but when you factor in all those stops by way of turnover and STILL give up that many yards/points...the drives that didn't end with turnovers were ending in long drives with points. This happens because they gave up a whopping 42% 3rd down conversion rate. They also gave up 59% on 4th down.

They don't need to be world beaters, that's for sure...but at the end of the day the Bengals put out the MOST prolific offense in team HISTORY and MISSED the playoffs...because the defense could not get stops when they mattered.

To add to this.... The only QB we beat last year that is a guaranteed starter going into the season is Bo Nix. And he was a rookie last year. I think that tells you a lot about how bad the D really was.

That said - I do think the D will be better even without the significant upgrades we all hoped would happen. Sign Trey. Add another d-tackle in the draft. Make some changes at linebacker. Get some growth out of one or two of your high round corners. And more than anything, find a scheme that you can live with some of the areas that lack talent or playmakers. The D doesn't need to be a top 10 or even 15 unit. They can't be historically bad.

 

[Cincyfan78]

To add to this.... The only QB we beat last year that is a guaranteed starter going into the season is Bo Nix. And he was a rookie last year. I think that tells you a lot about how bad the D really was.

That said - I do think the D will be better even without the significant upgrades we all hoped would happen. Sign Trey. Add another d-tackle in the draft. Make some changes at linebacker. Get some growth out of one or two of your high round corners. And more than anything, find a scheme that you can live with some of the areas that lack talent or playmakers. The D doesn't need to be a top 10 or even 15 unit. They can't be historically bad.

Agreed.

I feel like Lou really struggled with the scheme once he realized that the guys there just couldn't do what was needed. I've read a few things on Golden, and what he's looking to do. Quite frankly - it reads like a breath of fresh air. Talked a lot about finding the best players and then finding the best way to utilize that player. The scheme will fit to the guys they have, but also just finding ways to get guys in the right position. I think I mentioned that a few times last year, and before. Just always seemed like guys weren't in position to make plays.

 

[DanBengalfan]

hopefully he can help us achieve mediocrity at last.

 

[Edonidd]

Tid Bit about the Hendrickson Saga.

'They're Being Unreasonable' - NFL Executives Address State of Trey Hendrickson Trade Market

Cincinnati has not signed Hendrickson to a long-term extension yet.

www.si.com

I also saw some Internet wannabe reporter hand out a trade idea that would send Hendrickson to Detroit for the #27 overall pick this year, their 3rd rounder, and then a conditional 3rd to 4th rounder next year.

At this point, I would take that. May even be an overpay on Detroit's part. Supposedly, the rest of the league is getting sick of the Bengals being unreasonable with their expectations on Hendrickson's trade compensation. Hendrickson belongs to the Bengals assholes, we can ask for whatever we want, and if you don't like it, don't offer. It is really as simple as that.

Do I fully agree with the Bengals here, not at all. However, that is the way it is. The Bengals want X, Y and Z, the rest of the league is only wanting to give up Y.

At this point you would take that? Lol.

He's over 30 on the last year of his contract and wanting huge money or he'll hold out....

As a Lions fan I'm only reading this thread for news about how talks are going. I'd absolutely love Hendrickson on the Lions, but I wouldn't even give up a first for him. At least not without getting something back.

 

[DanBengalfan]

yea, i mean, when the dust settles, if he plays well, he'll find himself under the franchise tag, and eventually a free agent.