Haz remains the DC?

[Sharkinva]

Honestly, I'm not sold on Haz, but this is the only rationale that makes sense. Gruden is a first year coach, we have a teenager (at least close) for an OC so I can see wanting to keep some senior guys around for continuity. I'm willing to give Gruden the latitude to pick his own coaches so I'm not going to overly bash this decision. Now, if he gets some of his players and we still can't stop anyone on 3rd down, he has got to go. I wouldn't give him a contract extension, but its not my money.

You have got to give him at least one more year. Otherwise you put him in a lame duck situation which will affect the ability to sign free agents as well as how the current players on staff view him. If you know the boss is one screw u paway from geting canned, are you really going to give your all for him?? This is where I think Jerry Jones is setting Garrett up to fail. If the team doesnt have faith enough in their coaches to extend them, then what makes you think the players will buy in??

 

[Sportster 72]

My real question on keeping Haslett would be how much power does Gruden have?


It almost seems Zorn like to me for the Skins to keep this coaching staff.

 

[Sharkinva]

At least the HC seems to have some ind of clue


Not only is Haslett sticking around for now, but his responsibilities have grown. He will have the power to hire members of his defensive staff, something he didn't do under Mike Shanahan. Also, Gruden said he will begin contract extension talks with Haslett on Monday.


"With another year coaching them up, I think they'll be fine," Gruden said. "I've gone against his defense. I know what he's about and I know the scheme he plays is very difficult. He's done great against Dallas and he did well against Philadelphia the second time around and in the second half of the year they played well. They were put in a lot of difficult situations."
The decision to keep Haslett could prove to be a shrewd move. Gruden is a first-year coach, and Haslett has head-coaching experience from his time with the New Orleans Saints and St. Louis Rams. Also, the Redskins' talent never truly fit the 3-4 scheme Haz employs. With the two-year, $36 million salary-cap penalty expired, general manager Bruce Allen should have some money to find the proper pieces.

 

[Sportster 72]

Cue the bingo caller ....

 

[Krusheasy]

this seems relevant ...

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i still think coaching is overrated

 

[j_y19]

this seems relevant ...



i still think coaching is overrated

Not having read this article, play calling and scheme is very important, and that is coaching. Execution is all on the players. The Skins have suffered from poor results from both in the past, but probably more so on the execution side.

 

[skinsdad62]

the dee is done , we kept the stiff , but you arent selling me that he was an awful dc for 30 years because the HC stifled him

i will root for haslett to do well because if he fails then the skins fail

 

[Mitziman]

the dee is done , we kept the stiff , but you arent selling me that he was an awful dc for 30 years because the HC stifled him

i will root for haslett to do well because if he fails then the skins fail

I don't think Haslett has been a DC in the NFL for 30 years. Not even 15 years skinsdad...

 

[skinsdad62]

I don't think Haslett has been a DC in the NFL for 30 years. Not even 15 years skinsdad...

i stand corrected , he has been a HC /DC for 17 years .the point is i know what brings to the table and i dont see it changing much . he may field a top 10 defense next year(which would be like his 2nd ) 2 for 18 wont cut it for me

i am not accepting mediocrity from him anymore or any argument that would expect me to change the way i look at him .

he stinks , he will always stink and nothing anyone here will say to me will change it i am done with him and his passive 3-4 theories

that being said if he fails then we fail and i wont root for him to fail . i can eat crow with the best of them

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Stymietee... welcome to the minority. Because the Majority feels that any one could make our defense better than Haslett and we would be better off bringing in a new DC with a new system. Because according to popular think around here, no one could do worse than Haslett.

By the way I think they made the right move here because after firing the HC, the quickest way to tank our rookie coach is to then do a complete change on defense as well.

I will support this move since doing otherwise would be rooting against the Redskins. I will also give them the benefit of the doubt in that perhaps Shanahan did meddle & screw up the defense somewhat (& they were also lacking in talent).

Having said that you act as if anyone who objected to Haslett was totally in the wrong. Cmon. I see nothing wrong with people challenging a coach who really has had no success coaching defense in his entire career. Yes - he could be the victim of circumstances & lack of talent, but you can't blame people for thinking that he is part of the problem. Believing otherwise appears to indicate that some folks believe that coaching really makes no difference whatsoever. Agree to disagree.

In any case - Go Skins. I hope that any of us who wanted Haslett out were 100% wrong & that he has a brilliant defense within a few years (hey it is the NFL - anything is possible).

 

[Sharkinva]

I will support this move since doing otherwise would be rooting against the Redskins. I will also give them the benefit of the doubt in that perhaps Shanahan did meddle & screw up the defense somewhat (& they were also lacking in talent).

Having said that you act as if anyone who objected to Haslett was totally in the wrong. Cmon. I see nothing wrong with people challenging a coach who really has had no success coaching defense in his entire career. Yes - he could be the victim of circumstances & lack of talent, but you can't blame people for thinking that he is part of the problem. Believing otherwise appears to indicate that some folks believe that coaching really makes no difference whatsoever. Agree to disagree.

In any case - Go Skins. I hope that any of us who wanted Haslett out were 100% wrong & that he has a brilliant defense within a few years (hey it is the NFL - anything is possible).

For the record Im not saying Haslett gone is wrong. What I am saying is that you have got to look at the over all picture and look past just the Haslett sucks and needs to be fired concept. I agree he likely wont put up a top ten defense. But I disagree with the premise that well any one would be better. Because a I have pointed out in most cases that line of thinking leads to worse. Had they not fired most of the offensive staff, I would have been right on board with firing Haslett. But to me its a pick your poison situation. And I think keeping Haslett and giving him the tools needed serves the TEAM better than a scorched earth fire them all policy that many were screaming for. Also Kiem happened upon a strange yet interesting fact... our defense was actually better defending a short field than defending long drives. That alone tells me it was more talent or lack there of than bad schemes or horrendous coaching.

Quick Takes: Defensive stats - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

I think you give him the talent, we will have a middle of the pack defense. Add that to the offense which is supposed to improve and I think we turn this thing around quicker. Flip side is blow it all up, likely have an even worse defense with a system change and roster change, and we all sit around complaining how untalented ur defense is for another season.

 

[j_y19]

For the record Im not saying Haslett gone is wrong. What I am saying is that you have got to look at the over all picture and look past just the Haslett sucks and needs to be fired concept. I agree he likely wont put up a top ten defense. But I disagree with the premise that well any one would be better. Because a I have pointed out in most cases that line of thinking leads to worse. Had they not fired most of the offensive staff, I would have been right on board with firing Haslett. But to me its a pick your poison situation. And I think keeping Haslett and giving him the tools needed serves the TEAM better than a scorched earth fire them all policy that many were screaming for. Also Kiem happened upon a strange yet interesting fact... our defense was actually better defending a short field than defending long drives. That alone tells me it was more talent or lack there of than bad schemes or horrendous coaching.

Quick Takes: Defensive stats - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

I think you give him the talent, we will have a middle of the pack defense. Add that to the offense which is supposed to improve and I think we turn this thing around quicker. Flip side is blow it all up, likely have an even worse defense with a system change and roster change, and we all sit around complaining how untalented ur defense is for another season.

Shark, this line of thinking for keeping Haz is the only rational way to look at it. For this alone, I will give the FO and Gruden some leeway. I also understand that we have a serious lack of talent on the d side of the ball. But Haz has never done much on any team he as been the DC so he can't be without scrutiny.

I'm actually more concerned about Gruden being both the HC and quasi OC. What concerns me is that he may not understand what it means to be a HC and is reverting to what he knows and is comfortable with. This concern trickles down to McVay as the OC/QB coach. What does he know about coaching QBs? RG3 needs some serious fundamentals coaching.........McVay is that guy? I understand he is intelligent and an up and comer, maybe even an offensive genius, but he has never played QB. This concerns me.

 

[Sharkinva]

Shark, this line of thinking for keeping Haz is the only rational way to look at it. For this alone, I will give the FO and Gruden some leeway. I also understand that we have a serious lack of talent on the d side of the ball. But Haz has never done much on any team he as been the DC so he can't be without scrutiny.

I'm actually more concerned about Gruden being both the HC and quasi OC. What concerns me is that he may not understand what it means to be a HC and is reverting to what he knows and is comfortable with. This concern trickles down to McVay as the OC/QB coach. What does he know about coaching QBs? RG3 needs some serious fundamentals coaching.........McVay is that guy? I understand he is intelligent and an up and comer, maybe even an offensive genius, but he has never played QB. This concerns me.

I agree you have to look at the move to keep Has and question it to a degree. But reality is, there are 32 teams in the NFL. Some one is going to be 1-10 and some one is going to be 22-32 every year. Im fine with being in that middle ground if our offense is also some where in the middle ground. Honestly how many teams have we seen with top five or top ten in either Offense or defense sitting at home in January?? I simply think scorched earth would make us worse not better and I dont think Dan in patient enough to wait another 4 years to be even decent. So all along I figured we were either going to fire Has and keep Mike, or fire Mike and keep Has. I never thought fire them all would work, not in our realistic time frame.

As for Gruden, Im willing to sit back and see how this plays out.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I'm actually more concerned about Gruden being both the HC and quasi OC. What concerns me is that he may not understand what it means to be a HC and is reverting to what he knows and is comfortable with.

Hmmm.... Remind you perhaps of someone else? Possibly a certain coach of the Skins during the eighties and early nineties?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

So all along I figured we were either going to fire Has and keep Mike, or fire Mike and keep Has. I never thought fire them all would work, not in our realistic time frame.

Please clarify "realistic time frame". I sure hope that people don't expect everything to be fixed in one offseason. Perhaps we will be somewhat pleasantly surprised, but I would certainly not expect it.

 

[Sharkinva]

Please clarify "realistic time frame". I sure hope that people don't expect everything to be fixed in one offseason. Perhaps we will be somewhat pleasantly surprised, but I would certainly not expect it.

Most places I would say realistic time frame was 3-5 years. But ummm.. .we got Danny Snyder, so I would say 2-3 years is about as long as Gruden gets to become respectable. Past that if we are not showing real promise, he will be shown a real pink slip. Remember Danny will compare to how quickly other teams have turned it around. The worst thing for us was the fact that Philly won the Division. Its going to put a little pressure on things in Ashburn.

 

[j_y19]

Most places I would say realistic time frame was 3-5 years. But ummm.. .we got Danny Snyder, so I would say 2-3 years is about as long as Gruden gets to become respectable. Past that if we are not showing real promise, he will be shown a real pink slip. Remember Danny will compare to how quickly other teams have turned it around. The worst thing for us was the fact that Philly won the Division. Its going to put a little pressure on things in Ashburn.

Our offense should be a top 12 offense if all stay healthy and we can pick up a good interior OL and a #2 WR. Our defense will be a work in progress. However, we are in a very weak division. NY and DAL are trending down. Not convinced that Philly is for real just yet, but they need to be respected. I think if we can resign Riley, Hall, and Rak and pick up a quality ILB and S, our defense will jump to middle of the pack next year. Package that with our better than average O and the weak division and I think we could be around .500 next year and in the hunt for a playoff spot. Year 2 we pick up another OL and stud DL and a CB, and we are on our way. No way it take 3-5 years. I say 2-3 tops if we do it correctly and have a bit of luck.

 

[Sharkinva]

Our offense should be a top 12 offense if all stay healthy and we can pick up a good interior OL and a #2 WR. Our defense will be a work in progress. However, we are in a very weak division. NY and DAL are trending down. Not convinced that Philly is for real just yet, but they need to be respected. I think if we can resign Riley, Hall, and Rak and pick up a quality ILB and S, our defense will jump to middle of the pack next year. Package that with our better than average O and the weak division and I think we could be around .500 next year and in the hunt for a playoff spot. Year 2 we pick up another OL and stud DL and a CB, and we are on our way. No way it take 3-5 years. I say 2-3 tops if we do it correctly and have a bit of luck.

Agree. But also think had we gone scorched earth, then it becomes a 3-5 year project simply for the fact that we would be totally revamping all three phases of the team. As it stands, we are revamping Offense and completely rebuilding the Special teams. Defense will be a revamp of talent (we hope), but its invaluable to not have the entire unit trying to adjust to a new system all at once. Sure it could work, but in most cases year one is a struggle for a defense.

 

[j_y19]

Agree. But also think had we gone scorched earth, then it becomes a 3-5 year project simply for the fact that we would be totally revamping all three phases of the team. As it stands, we are revamping Offense and completely rebuilding the Special teams. Defense will be a revamp of talent (we hope), but its invaluable to not have the entire unit trying to adjust to a new system all at once. Sure it could work, but in most cases year one is a struggle for a defense.

I'm not even so sure we are revamping the offense. Mcvay will bring some consistency. Gruden is known for tailoring his scheme to his players. There will be some changes, but I bet the overall scheme will be similar.