has it already begun?

[Sharkinva]

What? Literally all I was saying was that he shouldnt be benched at any point this year. Aren't I defending him there?

And IM saying, if he is the main reason we are 0-2, bench him.

 

[duke1861]

In all fairness to the defense they did force FG's and got a HUGE turnover in the 4th QTR. I think the loss was on KC today. He should of had atleast 4TD passes today and the game shouldn't of been even close.

I disagree. The defense got carved up by a rookie 4th round draft pick QB and and a rookie RB. Both of these guys played in just their 2nd game and looked like Pro Bowlers. KC played terrible but the defense was awful.

If SM had a brain, he would draft DL, OL, DL, OL, DL, OL next year. For heaven sakes, we are terrible up front.

 

[Stymietee]

I absolutely, positively cannot believe this thread and worse, most of the responses to it. If you were amongst those who were adamant about signing Kirk to a long term deal, don't be so quick to abandon your boy. From my perspective (and I really can't believe that I'm saying this) he still could turn things around. I have pledged to not offer any type of judgement of him before the season's end, but you guys were so sure, that you had convinced me to take this wait and see stance. KC is our starting QB now and until the powers that are say otherwise. You guys already know where I stand when it comes to evaluating him from a year ago when everything was going so well, but right now, I stand with KC!!

 

[Stymietee]

I disagree. The defense got carved up by a rookie 4th round draft pick QB and and a rookie RB. Both of these guys played in just their 2nd game and looked like Pro Bowlers. KC played terrible but the defense was awful.

If SM had a brain, he would draft DL, OL, DL, OL, DL, OL next year. For heaven sakes, we are terrible up front.

Trent would make one helluva RT....that is all!

 

[j_y19]

I absolutely, positively cannot believe this thread and worse, most of the responses to it. If you were amongst those who were adamant about signing Kirk to a long term deal, don't be so quick to abandon your boy. From my perspective (and I really can't believe that I'm saying this) he still could turn things around. I have pledged to not offer any type of judgement of him before the season's end, but you guys were so sure, that you had convinced me to take this wait and see stance. KC is our starting QB now and until the powers that are say otherwise. You guys already know where I stand when it comes to evaluating him from a year ago when everything was going so well, but right now, I stand with KC!!

This makes it official. We are now in Bazaro World.

 

[Sportster 72]

I absolutely, positively cannot believe this thread and worse, most of the responses to it. If you were amongst those who were adamant about signing Kirk to a long term deal, don't be so quick to abandon your boy. From my perspective (and I really can't believe that I'm saying this) he still could turn things around. I have pledged to not offer any type of judgement of him before the season's end, but you guys were so sure, that you had convinced me to take this wait and see stance. KC is our starting QB now and until the powers that are say otherwise. You guys already know where I stand when it comes to evaluating him from a year ago when everything was going so well, but right now, I stand with KC!!

Forum full of Chicken Littles ... the sky is falling, the sky is falling. I think the funniest take is 1 year and two games into the SM regime so many want to bench and fire half the team. Dan Snyder is embedded in more people than they realize.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Dude... all I been seeing is.. Cousins is the PRIMARY reason we are 0-2, not the piss poor coaching. NOt the fact that the defense is giving up 32.5 points a game. Cousins... his fault and every one else is just the victim.

So fuck yes, bench him if he is that bad. Roll with Colt, and proceed to finish 3-13 any way. Then fire Gruden, McVey, Barry and start over. At 3-13 we likely secure the #1 pick. But our GM would likely take a WR any way.

Stop being an idiot. Of course there are other factors. But, this just in, the QB is the most important position in the NFL, maybe all of sports. We came into the year with hope but still questions about our guy and with the knowlwdge that his success/failure will be the single biggest factor dtermining our future. And sadly it appears as if we are getting our answer. Kirk left so many points out there on the field it was a HUGE reason for the loss, no other player had such an effect on the game. In the opener the play of the QBs was the biggest difference in that game too.

Posters are simply responding to this, as they should be.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

by the way let me go on record and say i hate fade plays near the end zone , they rarely work , let dox or reed use their bodies and hit the on them slant or damn hand the ball to jones once

Last week when Doctson became active I was going to post that it would be idiotic to throw him fades in the red zone because the other team would know it was coming. When they tried it I was pissed, it was obvious that Dallas knew it was the play. So of course they try it 2 more times. I'm with you. Going back to when they tried to force it with Malcolm Kelly and earlier this play rarely works.

 

[j_y19]

Last week when Doctson became active I was going to post that it would be idiotic to throw him fades in the red zone because the other team would know it was coming. When they tried it I was pissed, it was obvious that Dallas knew it was the play. So of course they try it 2 more times. I'm with you. Going back to when they tried to force it with Malcolm Kelly and earlier this play rarely works.

Of course Dallas knew it was coming. Hell, everyone knew it was coming as soon as Doctson stepped on the field. And just to make sure that everyone knew, we ran it 2 more times. I think Gruden thought this game was still preseason where the goal is to work shit out. Shades of the fake FG from Zorn a few years ago.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I'm so torn on who is more to blame, the coaches or players. The fades were horrible calls but the plays called should have resulted in 35+ points if our QB didn't suck so badly. RJF called out the coaches and players for failng to adjust in the Post and after watching Kerrigan get sucked in on that play fake, roll and throw to a wide open tight end over and over again it's hard to know where to place the blame. But it is not hard to see a pattern here that this coaching staff routinely loses the adjustment battle with the other sideline.

A Redskins player wants to know why his team doesn’t adjust

 

[Krusheasy]

Of course Dallas knew it was coming. Hell, everyone knew it was coming as soon as Doctson stepped on the field. And just to make sure that everyone knew, we ran it 2 more times. I think Gruden thought this game was still preseason where the goal is to work shit out. Shades of the fake FG from Zorn a few years ago.

predictable playcalling combined with piss poor execution

 

[j_y19]

I'm so torn on who is more to blame, the coaches or players. The fades were horrible calls but the plays called should have resulted in 35+ points if our QB didn't suck so badly. RJF called out the coaches and players for failng to adjust in the Post and after watching Kerrigan get sucked in on that play fake, roll and throw to a wide open tight end over and over again it's hard to know where to place the blame. But it is not hard to see a pattern here that this coaching staff routinely loses the adjustment battle with the other sideline.

A Redskins player wants to know why his team doesn’t adjust

The problem is its not just one person or one side of the ball. There is nothing we are doing well. So that has to start with the coaching. The play calling was piss poor at times, especially in the red zone. Of course, when you can't run the ball, it really limits your play calling. The QB play is below mediocre, but again, when they know you aren't going to run, it makes passing difficult. Still, KC missed a couple open deep passes.

There is no reason why we let a rookie QB sit back in the pocket and pick us apart. He looked poised and comfortable all day. We never confused him and rarely applied pressure to him. Again, that starts with coaching.

 

[Mskins]

Wow, overreaction thread here. People should take a deep breath and calm down. Yes it was a very disappointing loss and starting the season 0-2 is clearly no the best way to repeat as NFC East champion but asking for heads to roll just 2 games into the season is just ridiculous. That time might come soon enough if they can't improve but let them finish the season first. That loss was a collective effort, from the players to the coaching staff, and they all better wake up quickly for sure.

With a below average defense and a QB who showed last year he's at his best when they have a good balance between run and pass I'm really surprised we are not running the football more than 15 times per game. I thought the plan was to build an identity as a smashmouth running team, right ? So far we are seeing them trying to be "the greatest show on turf" and it's not gonna work. I saw someone blamed Matt Jones but 61 yards and a TD on 13 carries isn't that bad. The main problem is that he had only 13 carries.

I would expect them to return to what worked last year. Be more balanced in the playcalling, eat the clock and prevent our defense to spend too much time on the field.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Kirk should have had TD passes to Crowder, DJ and a wide open Doctson. Not sure how many points those drives ended up resulting in but it's safe to say they should have been 21 points. Then he throws a pick when you absolutely can not throw a pick, this after failing all game to get TDs in the red zone. Then of course he failed to move the team twice in the final minutes to get in position to score, the only play of note was a 5 yard pass and a big run by Thompson.

In a 4 point loss the obvious answer is Kirk Cousins is culprit #1. It's not an overreaction at all IMO. Again the single biggest factor moving forward regarding our success/failure is the play of one Kirk Cousins. Even if he lights it up next week what we have is a wildly inconsistent QB and you don't win with up and down QBs.

 

[Krusheasy]

“If we actually would have adjust and seen what they were doing quick enough, we would have had it,” Francois said, via Ben Standig. “And I just feel like the teams that, even from the Packers from last year, every team that sees us adjusts. Every team that adjusts to us, we don’t adjust to them.”

 

[j_y19]

Kirk should have had TD passes to Crowder, DJ and a wide open Doctson. Not sure how many points those drives ended up resulting in but it's safe to say they should have been 21 points. Then he throws a pick when you absolutely can not throw a pick, this after failing all game to get TDs in the red zone. Then of course he failed to move the team twice in the final minutes to get in position to score, the only play of note was a 5 yard pass and a big run by Thompson.

In a 4 point loss the obvious answer is Kirk Cousins is culprit #1. It's not an overreaction at all IMO. Again the single biggest factor moving forward regarding our success/failure is the play of one Kirk Cousins. Even if he lights it up next week what we have is a wildly inconsistent QB and you don't win with up and down QBs.

Its not an overreaction to be calling KC out for his play. It is an overreaction to be calling for his benching or the firing of anyone just yet.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Dude... all I been seeing is.. Cousins is the PRIMARY reason we are 0-2, not the piss poor coaching. NOt the fact that the defense is giving up 32.5 points a game. Cousins... his fault and every one else is just the victim.

So fuck yes, bench him if he is that bad. Roll with Colt, and proceed to finish 3-13 any way. Then fire Gruden, McVey, Barry and start over. At 3-13 we likely secure the #1 pick. But our GM would likely take a WR any way.

Hmm... I totally agree that the Steelers game was not the fault of Cousins. However - I totally agree that Cousins is the primary (not the entire) reason for yesterday's loss. He plays even average & they win that game. They gave up 27 pts yesterday & only lost by 4. Cousins missed several WRs for what should have been TDs & he threw that killer pick. That would have easily got them way more than 4 pts. Having said this I am not advocating benching him & don't see any reason why he might not rebound & play well again during the remainder of the season.

I am certainly not disagreeing about the issues on the defense & perhaps the running game. I can understand your frustration & hope the you calm down as the week goes on & stop with this "wishing for the worst" philosophy.

Sure - SM has to be take a big part of the blame. However - firing him will set this franchise back years. Just like everyone should wait & see how Cousins handles this challenge the same is true for Gruden & SM. I also don't believe that just because one part of the team has issues (e.g. defense) they would should all hope for the rest of the team to suck or give them a free pass to underperform. Regardless of whether Jones does well this offense should continually put up big yards and TDs. Again - rushing the ball is not that big of a deal in today's NFL. It is important, but it should not totally cripple your offense especially when you have other weapons like the ones on the Redskins.

I have calmed down a bit now that the game is a day old - hopefully we all do to a degree & reserve our conclusions until after a few more games.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

And IM saying, if he is the main reason we are 0-2, bench him.

Cmon man - calm down. These are all just opinions of frustrated fans. I am guessing that some of us will modify our statements a bit after a few days have passed. Cousins isn't going to be benched anytime soon (barring an injury or total meltdown much worse than yesterday).

The reality is that the Redskins have several issues & Cousins is responsible for some of them. Some of these issues can be corrected this season - some cannot. Oh well - what can you do. HTTR

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Its not an overreaction to be calling KC out for his play. It is an overreaction to be calling for his benching or the firing of anyone just yet.

Agree 100%. It is accurate to state that Cousins had a huge role in that loss (again - he was not the only reason). However - it is way to early to be talking about getting rid of QBs, coaches or GMs. I find it amusing that some of the folks who would advocate this are the same ones who badmouth Snyder & the Redskins for not being patient or having continuity in these areas.

 

[mannyz]

Wow, you guys sound like us (Eagle fans). No one thought the Skins would win the East last year, I thought it was a fluke, and Tony Romo getting hurt did not help. The Eagles did their part by giving up on Chip Kelly midway thru the year. SM needs an opportunity to make some drafts. You can't fix everything in a couple of drafts. I was never sold on KC. I thought he was playing above his skill level last year.
As a fan of an opposing team, I am sorry to say, this time, I think the boy owner, got it right with SM. I am not sure about Gruden, but I think he may end up being a decent coach.
I would love to see Danny Boy fire both of them because that would suggest he is going back to his old ways and the Skins would be irrelevant again.