Greg Manusky new DC per report

[Sharkinva]

Fair enough. So who in today's game would you be satisfied with as our QB besides Rodgers (and i'll assume Brady)?

I think yow set the bar too low.

I curious to see who as an available QB would he be PLEASED to see us get.

And by the way, I use the term chasing the next Rogers. Because when the maybe we shouldnt resign Kirk Logic comes up... right after money is the term.. .well he is no Rogers/Luck/Brady

 

[ehb5]

Fair enough. So who in today's game would you be satisfied with as our QB besides Rodgers (and i'll assume Brady)?

Cam, Ryan, Wilson, Mariota, Luck, Ben, Rivers, Eli, Carr, Cousins, Tannehill, Dak, Stafford, Cutler (Im a Cutler fan but I realize this is probably an unpopular opinion).

I think thats everyone. And I have varying views on those guys. Some Im not 100% sold on. Some I really like but theyre older. But I think thats the group Id at least take a chance on.

 

[Breed]

Good QBs don't grow up on trees like most of you think.

I haven't seen any poster here state anything close to that, but to your point.

Sorry that your fantasy of the Skins waving a magic wand or sprinkling around some pixie dust and "p00f " Some great Def Co that meets your apporval would be there begging for the Skins Def Co gig didn't come to pass.

 

[duke1861]

I haven't seen any poster here state anything close to that, but to your point.

Sorry that your fantasy of the Skins waving a magic wand or sprinkling around some pixie dust and "p00f " Some great Def Co that meets your apporval would be there begging for the Skins Def Co gig didn't come to pass.

It happens. Bad organizations make bad decisions.

My point is that it appears a lot of poster want to trade Cousins but they have no idea who would replace him all. We statistically have a top 10 QB

Regarding the DC, we had better options and blew it...what can I say. I simply wanted an above average DC. There i no need for magic or anything unreasonable....just common sense. You have to admit that the DC hire was a bust.

 

[j_y19]

It happens. Bad organizations make bad decisions.

My point is that it appears a lot of poster want to trade Cousins but they have no idea who would replace him all. We statistically have a top 10 QB

Regarding the DC, we had better options and blew it...what can I say. I simply wanted an above average DC. There i no need for magic or anything unreasonable....just common sense. You have to admit that the DC hire was a bust.

Duke, I understand your frustration, but I how you know we "blew it"? What candidate that you coveted has said that they wanted to come here but the team didn't want him or low balled him?

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

seen 1 tweet it said tomsula to be named dl coach ...l this is not conformed

 

[duke1861]

Duke, I understand your frustration, but I how you know we "blew it"? What candidate that you coveted has said that they wanted to come here but the team didn't want him or low balled him?

I think it started in 2015 when we hired Barry over Phillips. Fast forward to 2017, we waited forever to contact Phillips. Those mistakes are on Gruden. I think Thurmond. Pettine or Pagano would have been much better picks than Manusky.

 

[Sharkinva]

I think it started in 2015 when we hired Barry over Phillips. Fast forward to 2017, we waited forever to contact Phillips. Those mistakes are on Gruden. I think Thurmond. Pettine or Pagano would have been much better picks than Manusky.

Come on man, can we give him 1 day before we proclaim he is going to bring the end of the world. I thought Madonna sounded bad, but the oh god we are so fucked vibe makes Democrats yesterday sound tame by comparison.

I get it, there is MASSIVE man love for Wade, and many tink he should have been offered the job before Barry was even fired. But Manusky is the guy now.

If this is your team

This is your DC

 

[Breed]

You have to admit that the DC hire was a bust.

Manusky would not have been my choice, you're right about that. At the same time though think about what Phillips said. The defense has an overall lack of talent. Add in what you say (and I agree with you again) the Redskins are a bad organization.

Put those two things together and why would a Def Co with a great/good/solid reputation and record want to come to DC? There's no benefit to it and the only thing that could possibly appeal to a great/good Def Co. Is taking a low talented outfit like the Skins defense and turning it around. But that's where the bad organization rears its ugly head again particularly with Snyder.

Once the Def Co identifies what needs to be addressed - will he be given the resources to fix it? Wil he be part of the decision making process? Will Snyder, Allen and maybe even Scotty Mac support him, not support him or worse yet, undermine him?

 

[j_y19]

I think it started in 2015 when we hired Barry over Phillips. Fast forward to 2017, we waited forever to contact Phillips. Those mistakes are on Gruden. I think Thurmond. Pettine or Pagano would have been much better picks than Manusky.

How do you know that is on Gruden? How do you know that maybe Scot is the one calling the shots? You are making a lot of assumptions that may or may not be accurate. This is scot's team. Make no mistake about that. I dont think Gruden has the pull you think he does. IF he did, Cousins would already be signed. That's all I'm saying.

 

[duke1861]

How do you know that is on Gruden? How do you know that maybe Scot is the one calling the shots? You are making a lot of assumptions that may or may not be accurate. This is scot's team. Make no mistake about that. I dont think Gruden has the pull you think he does. IF he did, Cousins would already be signed. That's all I'm saying.

From everything I read, Gruden gave the green light for the Barry hire:
Joe Barry Hire, Keeping the 3-4 Defense and Fangio

 

[duke1861]

Manusky would not have been my choice, you're right about that. At the same time though think about what Phillips said. The defense has an overall lack of talent. Add in what you say (and I agree with you again) the Redskins are a bad organization.

Put those two things together and why would a Def Co with a great/good/solid reputation and record want to come to DC? There's no benefit to it and the only thing that could possibly appeal to a great/good Def Co. Is taking a low talented outfit like the Skins defense and turning it around. But that's where the bad organization rears its ugly head again particularly with Snyder.

Once the Def Co identifies what needs to be addressed - will he be given the resources to fix it? Wil he be part of the decision making process? Will Snyder, Allen and maybe even Scotty Mac support him, not support him or worse yet, undermine him?

I hope he does turn it around. We are all Redskins fans of course but it can be frustrating with the decisions that are made.

I honestly think the Defense will improve with more talent. I think SM knows he made a mistake last year with his approach and I pray he uses the draft and FA to fill holes and upgrade where he can.

 

[j_y19]

From everything I read, Gruden gave the green light for the Barry hire:
Joe Barry Hire, Keeping the 3-4 Defense and Fangio

Of course he did. I didn't absolve him. But understand Manusky is here because of Scot. They worked together in SF. And Tomlusa. He is also from SF.

 

[skinsdad62]

I hear you SKinsdad but you called out people for panicking and said we would get somebody "good". You were wrong on both accounts.

we did

 

[Breed]

I hope he does turn it around. We are all Redskins fans of course but it can be frustrating with the decisions that are made.

No doubt.

I honestly think the Defense will improve with more talent. I think SM knows he made a mistake last year with his approach and I pray he uses the draft and FA to fill holes and upgrade where he can.

I dunno about SM thinking he made a mistake, but otherwise I agree again. Hopefully the draft and FA will be used to fill holes and upgrade. Hopefully one of those holes to fill or needed upgrades won'tl be a QB cuz they got rid of KC. We need to retain Cuz.

 

[Sharkinva]

While its no guarantee that the defense will get better...

We didnt just hire the hands down worst DC in the NFL ever to replace the guy we wanted gone.

So there's your bright side guys.

 

[skinsdad62]

The team needs anywhere from two to four defensive linemen, depending on if Chris Baker re-signs and if the Redskins stick with a 3-4 base defense or if they go to a 4-3 alignment. Manusky has run defenses running both schemes.

the 4-3 could be in play

 

[skinsdad62]

Redskins make logical hire to run defense, Greg Manusky must prove it's the right one
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Each of the Washington Redskins' options for defensive coordinator arrived for interviews with baggage but each had something in his past that made him intriguing as well.

The Redskins ended up choosing outside linebackers coach Greg Manusky to replace Joe Barry as coordinator. It’s an underwhelming hire when it comes to public perception. Regardless of who was hired, it was only the first step in a rebuilding process. What happens next is just as important as what just happened.

The names that would have truly been considered home run hire weren’t coming: Wade Phillips (opted for the Los Angeles Rams), Gus Bradley (opted for the Los Angeles Chargers), and Romeo Crennel (never free, but would have been pursued).

Manusky was a logical pick considering he had support from the players, the front office and head coach Jay Gruden. Manusky was the coordinator in San Francisco when Redskins general manager Scot McCloughan was there. There's a reason Manusky's name was floated as a possibility right away.

Kirk Cousins? That would put more pressure on the defense, a unit that is not yet built to handle that responsibility.

When you look at the less-heralded candidates, maybe one of them would have been better than Manusky. But it would have to had to have been a no-brainer to overcome Manusky's internal advantage.

But this isn’t just about Manusky. He won’t succeed if the talent level doesn’t get better, something the front office knows well. One person who has worked with Manusky -- and likes him as a coordinator -- says he’ll be as good as his talent.

my take pretty much
Manusky also won’t succeed if he doesn’t surround himself with a strong coaching staff, which was one of the issues for Barry. (Manusky is tight with fired Chargers coordinator John Pagano, for what it’s worth; I don’t know if he’ll join the staff or not. They are wisely keeping inside linebackers coach Kirk Olivadotti). The coordinator isn’t designing all the coverages or teaching the nuances of the positions.

Coaches who have interviewed with Manusky in the past say he’s real good with the front seven, but will need a strong secondary coach. Their hope is that Aubrey Pleasant gets promoted from assistant defensive backs coach. (Make no mistake, Perry Fewell ran the show back there.)

This also is about Gruden -- most definitely about him, in fact. He's hired a good offensive staff. But he also opted to retain Jim Haslett and then chose Barry over Phillips two years ago. It worked out well for Phillips in Denver; not so much for the Redskins. But Gruden needs this one to be right. It’s hard to say on Jan. 22 that he’s on the hot seat -- he’s done a lot good the last two years -- but it’s not a stretch to play the what-if game. This move will be greeted with skepticism by some. That doesn't mean it's the wrong one. But it has to work.

 

[skinsdad62]

some blitz packages manusky uses

 

[Sportster 72]

I have no problem with the Manusky hiring. I didn't see the great value in anyone else other than Phillips and although duke seems to think he would have come here I don't agree.

One thing we can see today is offense wins in today's game and the run game and a halfway decent defense is good enough.

As I said before if you look up Manusky's tenure as a DC he had some fairly good years and some below average years. Watching Atlanta today their D some things but they also gave up over 20 points. He was the coach of Seattle's D when they were in Super Bowls so saying Gus Bradley was a better hire doesn't mean he was a great coach. Maybe he was, maybe not.