Greatest pitcher of all time

[thunderc]

Give a fn break even mentioning Kershaw. Good god man, you can’t implode every fn year in big games and be in the conversation. And Nolan Ryan gets mention at least.

 

[navamind]

lmao no

 

[podsox]

Jose Contreras.... from July 2005 to July 2006. No need to look up the rest of his career please

 

[Mister Twister]

I always think of the protection I used for the catching position in high school back in the 70s. Of course it was better than what was around in the 20s and 30s, but basically I wore a wire mask over a soft cap (nothing hanging down for the throat in those days). The umpires wore the same mask...some had their own...some borrowed ours. Shin guards weren't as developed as today, but they worked. Then, I look at the catcher's equipment that the kids on teams I coached from 2001-2011. Fancy stuff in little league, Babe Ruth League, Stan Musial League (I advanced to each division as my son was growing up). Their masks covered the entire head and throat and the shin guards seemed much more flexible. My grandfather played pro ball in the early part of the 20th Century as a catcher (1908-1916). He was property of the St. Louis Browns at one time (in those days there weren't actual farm clubs, but big league teams could own farm players on the minor league rosters). He had a coffee break or two with the browns, but he finally gave it up and bought a small farm in Missouri. Though Roger Bresnahan began wearing shin guards around 1907, many of the minor leaguers didn't have them yet, and those who were wearing them were often made fun of for wearing them (sort of like wearing helmets and goalie masks in pro hockey before both became mandatory...and facemasks in football during the early 50s). Grandpa had spike scars up and down his legs. He always said you had to be a pretty good wrestler and boxer to play the catching position in his day.

Speaking of Babe Ruth, he is my pick for the greatest pitcher of all time. He is the only pitcher with a career winning % of over .650, an ERA of under 2.30, more than 100 complete games, (2) 20 win seasons, and 700+ home runs.

 

[Chewbaccer]

@soxfan1468927 long time no see, welcome back

 

[soxfan1468927]

@soxfan1468927 long time no see, welcome back

Yeah it's been a couple years. Good to see some of you still around. Does Dirt stop by still or is he MIA as well?

 

[Chewbaccer]

Yeah it's been a couple years. Good to see some of you still around. Does Dirt stop by still or is he MIA as well?

Haven’t seen him since last baseball season

 

[soxfan1468927]

Haven’t seen him since last baseball season

Maybe he'll return today. I assume he was depressed by my absence.

 

[soxfan1468927]

I'll just throw out someone who wasn't mentioned.

Pete Alexander

Led the league in pitcher WAR 6 times (only Grove, Clemens, and W. Johnson did it more)
Had a dominant 5-year prime from 1915-1920 (missed almost all of 1918 due to fighting in WW1) when he led the league in ERA every year with a 174 ERA+ with the 2nd most innings in baseball even though he missed a full season.

Would have been an easy WS MVP in 1926 for the Cardinals too

 

[soxfan1468927]

Agree with most of this but still have Walter as top RHP and I think Mathewson is seriously underrated. Pedro has to be in there for me.

LHP
1. Randy Johnson
2. Lefty Grove
3. Warren Spahn
4. Sandy Koufax
5. Steve Carlton

Could move Carlton in front of Koufax bc of longevity, I just love Koufax's peak but really doesn't matter.

RHP
1. Walter Johnson
2. Roger Clemens
3. Pedro Martinez
4. Greg Maddux
5. Christy Mathewson

Seaver is right there for me. Young probably in the top 7 as well.

LHP
1. Lefty Grove
2. Randy Johnson
3. Steve Carlton
4. Warren Spahn
5. Clayton Kershaw

RHP
1. Walter Johnson
2. Roger Clemens
3. Greg Maddux
4. Pete Alexander
5. Pedro Martinez

 

[soxfan1468927]

Sandy Koufax is overrated

 

[Pure Steel]

Sandy Koufax is overrated

“Uh....how about this leaflet, famous Jewish sports legends?”

 

[StanMarsh51]

Give a fn break even mentioning Kershaw. Good god man, you can’t implode every fn year in big games and be in the conversation. And Nolan Ryan gets mention at least.

Ryan's not even top 10....arguably the most overrated pitcher ever.

 

[soxfan1468927]

“Uh....how about this leaflet, famous Jewish sports legends?”

I'm back and already TWO Airplane references. Tremendous

 

[soxfan1468927]

Ryan's not even top 10....arguably the most overrated pitcher ever.

I think 10 years ago he probably was and definitely 20 years ago when the All-Century Team survey went out. It's toned down though I feel. Koufax on the other hand continues to be overrated.

 

[Win TWINS!!!]

His control was elite. No denying that. Speaking of Maddux, I watch this video every now and then because it’s so funny.

That's beautiful. I had tears in my eyes.

 

[78Cyclones]

As a friend of mine once said: "Cy Young might have won a Greg Maddux Award!"

 

[Shanemansj13]

As a friend of mine once said: "Cy Young might have won a Greg Maddux Award!"

You mean a “Roger Clemens Award!”

 

[78Cyclones]

As a friend of mine once said: "Cy Young might have won a Greg Maddux Award!"

I saw them BOTH pitch in Cy Young Award Years!

 

[black francis]

steve busby

no hitter each of his first two seasons
blew out his shoulder
done at 26