Gold Glove, shmold glove

[Brahmsian]

Notice I didn't comment on anyone I don't regularly watch? Without seeing a player, game in game out, you can't judge their defense. Especially off some arbitrary speculative statistics. If you want to, go ahead. Spreadsheets let everyone have an opinion on things they shouldnt. But don't try and tell me Dirks is a better outfielder than Jackson. Cuz he's not. Very was, never will will be. If statistics show that he is than there is something wrong with the way the make believe numbers are compiled.(Statistics will tell you Cuba has achieved 100% literacy...) I never said Dirks sucked either. He's average. Average defensive players who aren't used as defensive replacements in important games shouldn't be winning defensive awards. (He's not tops on his team and isn't the best leftfielder in his division)

Stats really are less useful in measuring players' defensive strengths than their offensive strengths.

I have yet to see a stat that would tell you how consistently Dustin Pedroia makes incredible plays look routine.
Or that Julio Lugo was most likely to botch a play when the score was tied. Watching him do that so often
was not fun at all for this Red Sox fan!

Lugo was a very good bunter, but in the field he was the OPPOSITE of clutch.

 

[broncosmitty]

Stats really are less useful in measuring players' defensive strengths than their offensive strengths.

I have yet to see a stat that would tell you how consistently Dustin Pedroia makes incredible plays look routine.
Or that Julio Lugo was most likely to botch a play when the score was tied. Watching him do that so often
was not fun at all for this Red Sox fan!

Lugo was a very good bunter, but in the field he was the OPPOSITE of clutch.

All too often offensive numbers determine Gold Glove winners. (Mauer caught just 75 games, yet hes a finalist, wtf?) And I don't believe defensive numbers can paint a fair picture of what a player does in the field. Not a fan of the award in general.

 

[da55bums]

and since Broncosmitty thinks that I am just a Tiger basher....Dirks should get a gold glove, I am not sure where my head was at.....and I didn't mean to list Doug Fister as a shoe in for GG at pitcher....

Miggy should get one at 3b
Jackson should get one at CF
Dirks in LF
Inglesis at SS
Avila at C
Fielder at 1b
Infante at 2b
Garcia in RF, since he played some games for Det in RF...

my bad, didn't mean to go against any Tigers players...please bow to the north or the mecca holy land, Detroit michigan, on the 12's...daily.

 

[cezero]

I have not once checked out the fielding bible. That said, with what I know of the G.G's, that bible just HAS TO BE better, more accurate, and more reflective of a players individual year & award worthiness.

Indeed.

Sorry I misunderstood the gist of your first post towards me.

 

[The Derski]

AL Predictions

P: Doug Fister
C: Joe Mauer
1B: James Loney
2B: Dustin Pedroia
3B: Manny Machado
SS: JJ Hardy
LF: Alex Gordon
CF: Adam Jones
RF: Josh Reddick

 

[The Derski]

NL Predictions

P: Patrick Corbin
C: Yadier Molina
1B: Paul Goldschmidt
2B: Brandon Phillips
3B: Nolan Arenado
SS: Ian Desmond
LF: Starling Marte
CF: Carlos Gomez
RF: Gerardo Parra

 

[ImSmartherThanYou]

The 3rd base finalists in the NL aren't too great after David Wright

I've stopped taking the gold glove awards seriously

Seriously? Nolan Arenado was incredible this year.

 

[da55bums]

wow, did not think Hosmer should have been picked...that one was a shocker

 

[da55bums]

Finalists:

AMERICAN LEAGUE
Pitcher
Mark Buehrle, Blue Jays
R.A. Dickey, Blue Jays
Doug Fister, Tigers - Winner, and it shouldn't be close
Catcher
Joe Mauer, Twins
Salvador Perez, Royals
Matt Wieters, Orioles - winner, but very close was Perez, Perez's DWAR could tip it in his favor
First base
Chris Davis, Orioles - winner 3rd ranked 1b but also 40 more games than top 2. - WRONG
Eric Hosmer, Royals
James Loney, Rays
Second base
Robinson Cano, Yankees
Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox - winner tied with Zobrist in fielding pct...but over 30 DP's more - CORRECT
Ben Zobrist, Rays
Third base
Adrian Beltre, Rangers
Evan Longoria, Rays
Manny Machado, Orioles - winner, landslide, isn't even close - CORRECT
Shortstop
Alcides Escobar, Royals
Yunel Escobar, Rays - winner, 1st in fielding pct - WRONG
J.J. Hardy, Orioles
Left field
Yoenis Cespedes, A's
Andy Dirks, Tigers
Alex Gordon, Royals - winner, 1st in Assists, 1st in DP, 1st in DWAR
Center field
Lorenzo Cain, Royals
Jacoby Ellsbury, Red Sox - winner, as much as I would like Cain, not this year
Adam Jones, Orioles
Right field
Nick Markakis, Orioles - winner, another year of no errors and think he won it last year because of that
Shane Victorino, Red Sox
Josh Reddick, A's

NATIONAL LEAGUE
Pitcher
Patrick Corbin, D-backs
Zack Greinke, Dodgers
Adam Wainwright, Cardinals - winner over Greinke because of more chances and DP's
Catcher
A.J. Ellis, Dodgers
Russell Martin, Pirates
Yadier Molina, Cardinals - winner over Martin because he hits better
First base
Paul Goldschmidt, D-backs winner if they include hitting
Adrian Gonzalez, Dodgers
Anthony Rizzo, Cubs - winner, for some reason 50 more assists than Goldy
Second base
Darwin Barney, Cubs - winner, if just defense
Brandon Phillips, Reds
Mark Ellis, Dodgers
Third base
Nolan Arenado, Rockies - winner, shouldn't be close unless they blackball 1st year players
Juan Uribe, Dodgers
David Wright, Mets
Shortstop
Ian Desmond, Nationals
Andrelton Simmons, Braves - winner, if just defense
Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies
Left field
Carlos Gonzalez, Rockies
Starling Marte, Pirates - winner - WRONG
Eric Young Jr., Mets (he was a bench warmer for half a season?)
Center field
Carlos Gomez, Brewers - winner, defensive stud - CORRECT
Andrew McCutchen, Pirates
Denard Span, Nationals
Right field
Jay Bruce, Reds
Jason Heyward, Braves
Gerardo Parra, D-backs - winner even with the worst SB percentage in the league - CORRECT

 

[The Derski]

Congrats to Goldy and Parra. Much deserved.

 

[navamind]

RE: Markakis

You can't make errors on balls you don't get to.

huge LOL @ Jones winning over Cain (or even Ellsbury).

 

[da55bums]

Finalists:

AMERICAN LEAGUE
Pitcher
Mark Buehrle, Blue Jays
R.A. Dickey, Blue Jays -ACTUAL WINNER-HORRIBLE CHOICE
Doug Fister, Tigers - Winner, and it shouldn't be close -WRONG
Catcher
Joe Mauer, Twins
Salvador Perez, Royals -ACTUAL WINNER
Matt Wieters, Orioles - winner, but very close was Perez, Perez's DWAR could tip it in his favor - WRONG
First base
Chris Davis, Orioles - winner 3rd ranked 1b but also 40 more games than top 2. - WRONG
Eric Hosmer, Royals -ACTUAL WINNER
James Loney, Rays
Second base
Robinson Cano, Yankees
Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox - winner tied with Zobrist in fielding pct...but over 30 DP's more - CORRECT
Ben Zobrist, Rays
Third base
Adrian Beltre, Rangers
Evan Longoria, Rays
Manny Machado, Orioles - winner, landslide, isn't even close - CORRECT
Shortstop
Alcides Escobar, Royals
Yunel Escobar, Rays - winner, 1st in fielding pct - WRONG
J.J. Hardy, Orioles -ACTUAL WINNER
Left field
Yoenis Cespedes, A's
Andy Dirks, Tigers
Alex Gordon, Royals - winner, 1st in Assists, 1st in DP, 1st in DWAR - CORRECT
Center field
Lorenzo Cain, Royals
Jacoby Ellsbury, Red Sox - winner, as much as I would like Cain, not this year - WRONG
Adam Jones, Orioles -ACTUAL WINNER -HORRIBLE CHOICE
Right field
Nick Markakis, Orioles - winner, another year of no errors and think he won it last year-WRONG
Shane Victorino, Red Sox -ACTUAL WINNER
Josh Reddick, A's

NATIONAL LEAGUE
Pitcher
Patrick Corbin, D-backs
Zack Greinke, Dodgers
Adam Wainwright, Cardinals - winner over Greinke because of more chances and DP's -CORRECT
Catcher
A.J. Ellis, Dodgers
Russell Martin, Pirates
Yadier Molina, Cardinals - winner over Martin because he hits better - CORRECT
First base
Paul Goldschmidt, D-backs winner if they include hitting -ACTUAL WINNER (HITTING COUNTED)
Adrian Gonzalez, Dodgers
Anthony Rizzo, Cubs - winner, for some reason 50 more assists than Goldy - WRONG
Second base
Darwin Barney, Cubs - winner, if just defense-WRONG
Brandon Phillips, Reds -ACTUAL WINNER (HITTING COUNTED)
Mark Ellis, Dodgers
Third base
Nolan Arenado, Rockies - winner, shouldn't be close unless they blackball 1st year players -CORRECT
Juan Uribe, Dodgers
David Wright, Mets
Shortstop
Ian Desmond, Nationals
Andrelton Simmons, Braves - winner, if just defense -CORRECT
Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies
Left field
Carlos Gonzalez, Rockies -ACTUAL WINNER
Starling Marte, Pirates - winner - WRONG
Eric Young Jr., Mets (he was a bench warmer for half a season?)
Center field
Carlos Gomez, Brewers - winner, defensive stud - CORRECT
Andrew McCutchen, Pirates
Denard Span, Nationals
Right field
Jay Bruce, Reds
Jason Heyward, Braves
Gerardo Parra, D-backs - winner even with the worst SB percentage in the league - CORRECT

not bad I guess, tough to call, thought the "new" selection system would be better, it sorta was.

 

[jlesho09]

I can't believe that Michael Brantley wasn't nominated, especially considering that Andy Dirks was. Gordon won it and deserved it so I guess it really didn't matter, but I thought that was really strange.

 

[dougplayer]

glad they didn't try to sneak Trout in.

we all know ESPN and Fox are trying to make this kid another micky mantle..we aint buying it.
over rated.. under paid ...

 

[broncosmitty]

It's just that Josh Hamilton is such a great right fielder. Or something like that, I think.

 

[uncfan103]

Catcher
A.J. Ellis, Dodgers
Russell Martin, Pirates
Yadier Molina, Cardinals - winner over Martin because he hits better

You realize he had a better year defensively than Russel Martin too, right?

26 runners stole on Yadi in 1115.1 innings
53 runners stole on Martin in 1051.1 innings

Yadi also had a better fielding percentage, CS%, fewer passed balls in more innings, etc.

 

[steveringo]

You realize he had a better year defensively than Russel Martin too, right?

26 runners stole on Yadi in 1115.1 innings
53 runners stole on Martin in 1051.1 innings

Yadi also had a better fielding percentage, CS%, fewer passed balls in more innings, etc.

We may not see a better defensive catcher than this Molina in a long time...

 

[soxfan1468927]

Here are how the winners ranked in the FieldingBible awards:

AL 1B: Eric Hosmer (2nd) behind Mike Napoli
NL 1B: Paul Goldschmidt (1st)
AL 2B: Dustin Pedroia (1st)
NL 2B: Brandon Phillips (3rd) behind Darwin Barney and Mark Ellis
AL SS: JJ Hardy (4th) behind Elvis Andrus, Pedro Florimon, and Alcides Escobar
NL SS: Andrelton Simmons (1st)
AL 3B: Manny Machado (1st)
NL 3B: Nolan Arenado (1st)
AL LF: Alex Gordon (1st)
NL LF: Carlos Gonzalez (2nd) behind Starling Marte
AL CF: Adam Jones (11th) behind Jacoby Ellsbury, Lorenzo Cain, Brandon Barnes, Leonys Martin, Mike Trout, Craig Gentry, Austin Jackson, Colby Rasmus, Michael Bourn, and Brett Gardner
NL CF: Carlos Gomez (1st)
AL RF: Shane Victorino (1st)
NL RF: Gerardo Parra (1st)
AL C: Salvador Perez (1st)
NL C: Yadier Molina (1st)
AL P: R.A. Dickey (1st)
NL P: Adam Wainwright (7th) behind Zack Greinke, Patrick Corbin, Mike Leake, Clayton Kershaw, Julio Teheran, and Madison Bumgarner

So out of the 18 winners, fieldingbible agreed with 12 of them and only two of them were outside of fieldingbible's top 5. Overall the voters did a good job

 

[soxfan1468927]

wow, did not think Hosmer should have been picked...that one was a shocker

According to fieldingbible, 1st base was pretty weak in the AL this year. They had Mike Napoli as the top AL first baseman defensively, but had him behind 5 other NL first basemen (Goldschmidt, Rizzo, Gonzalez, Freeman, and Votto)

 

[steveringo]

Here are how the winners ranked in the FieldingBible awards:

AL 1B: Eric Hosmer (2nd) behind Mike Napoli
NL 1B: Paul Goldschmidt (1st)
AL 2B: Dustin Pedroia (1st)
NL 2B: Brandon Phillips (3rd) behind Darwin Barney and Mark Ellis
AL SS: JJ Hardy (4th) behind Elvis Andrus, Pedro Florimon, and Alcides Escobar
NL SS: Andrelton Simmons (1st)
AL 3B: Manny Machado (1st)
NL 3B: Nolan Arenado (1st)
AL LF: Alex Gordon (1st)
NL LF: Carlos Gonzalez (2nd) behind Starling Marte
AL CF: Adam Jones (11th) behind Jacoby Ellsbury, Lorenzo Cain, Brandon Barnes, Leonys Martin, Mike Trout, Craig Gentry, Austin Jackson, Colby Rasmus, Michael Bourn, and Brett Gardner
NL CF: Carlos Gomez (1st)
AL RF: Shane Victorino (1st)
NL RF: Gerardo Parra (1st)
AL C: Salvador Perez (1st)
NL C: Yadier Molina (1st)
AL P: R.A. Dickey (1st)
NL P: Adam Wainwright (7th) behind Zack Greinke, Patrick Corbin, Mike Leake, Clayton Kershaw, Julio Teheran, and Madison Bumgarner

So out of the 18 winners, fieldingbible agreed with 12 of them and only two of them were outside of fieldingbible's top 5. Overall the voters did a good job

Yep. The only head-scratcher was Adam Jones. Especially since his winning it last year was universally bashed....