Geno is a Raider

[Sharkonabicycle]

You nailed the Darnold prediction

Appreciate the credit, but quite a few folks saw this potentially coming.

I'm curious to see based on my post, if on point 4, I nail the Geno prediction of him getting some close to $200M contract (or basically $45M per year). And on point 5, whether Seattle still takes a QB in the earlier rounds.

If I nail those two based on my earlier prediction, then I expect more respect than you guys give me on this forum... which is barely above nothing, but still... it's important to me.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

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Look what I came across....

Stats are close, but Geno and those INT’s, I’d take Justin over Geno all day …

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

For real.

Darnold had a good OL in Minnesota and he isn't mobile like Geno. Seattle's OL last season wasn't very good.

It needs work but he has to get rid of the ball a little more quickly

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Appreciate the credit, but quite a few folks saw this potentially coming.

I'm curious to see based on my post, if on point 4, I nail the Geno prediction of him getting some close to $200M contract (or basically $45M per year). And on point 5, whether Seattle still takes a QB in the earlier rounds.

If I nail those two based on my earlier prediction, then I expect more respect than you guys give me on this forum... which is barely above nothing, but still... it's important to me.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Appreciate the credit, but quite a few folks saw this potentially coming.

I'm curious to see based on my post, if on point 4, I nail the Geno prediction of him getting some close to $200M contract (or basically $45M per year). And on point 5, whether Seattle still takes a QB in the earlier rounds.

If I nail those two based on my earlier prediction, then I expect more respect than you guys give me on this forum... which is barely above nothing, but still... it's important to me.

Good stuff. If Raiders feel he's the key than they better sign Geno now for 40 to 45mil per. If they wait and he has a descent year and with the cap most likely going up next season the Geno camp could be asking in the 50 to 55mil range.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Stats are close, but Geno and those INT’s, I’d take Justin over Geno all day …

I would too.

Just thought it was interesting.

 

[DJ Fieri]

One thing I’ve seen watching Darnold, he throws a good ball, but does tend to hang onto the ball too long… He needs to improve in that area … He had a dam good year, looked solid until that playoff game, ouch, not sure what happened there …

The last few games were not very good at all.

 

[Tapey]

I think I’d rather have Darnold at 33ish mil a year and an extra 3rd round pick over Geno at 45ish mil a year and less picks.

I just don’t think there’s that much of a difference between the two that you would want Geno at a higher amount and less picks.

 

[Screamin12th]

I think I’d rather have Darnold at 33ish mil a year and an extra 3rd round pick over Geno at 45ish mil a year and less picks.

I just don’t think there’s that much of a difference between the two that you would want Geno at a higher amount and less picks.

thats a good way to look at it also Sam is 27 Geno is 33. Sam still has time to improve, Geno is only going to regress from a not very high ceiling. Sam has a chance to make something of himself, he isnt there yet and one good season doesnt blind me but at least he has a chance. Geno doesn't.

 

[Tapey]

thats a good way to look at it also Sam is 27 Geno is 33. Sam still has time to improve, Geno is only going to regress from a not very high ceiling. Sam has a chance to make something of himself, he isnt there yet and one good season doesnt blind me but at least he has a chance. Geno doesn't.

Geno is 34 and is going to be 35 about a month into the season, but that only makes your point better

 

[flyerhawk]

Which teams overpaid? Panicked? Built a QB-proof juggernaut? Let's hand out free agency superlatives

The Colts might be doomed. The Bears and Patriots definitely overpaid in free agency. And the Saints are committed to their bit.

www.espn.com

Let's ust say Ben Solak is not a fan of Seahawks offseason to date...

Every year, there is one big, franchise-altering move made that gets near-universal negative coverage. Think the Falcons drafting Michael Penix Jr. just over a month after signing Kirk Cousins to a huge deal -- the initial shock value, the total confusion. Sure, there was a way to talk yourself into the move a day later, and by the end of the 2024 season, the move made far more sense. But at the time, it caught almost nothing but heat.

The early contender for the 2025 most generally disliked move is the Seahawks' plan at quarterback. Seattle sent Geno Smith to the Raiders for a 2025 third-round pick -- an absolute pittance for a veteran starting QB! -- as the extension discussion frayed over time between the player and the team. And to replace Smith, Seattle signed Sam Darnold to a three-year, $100.5 million deal.

If you want to squint your eyes and see the upside, you can. Darnold is seven years younger than Smith, will certainly have a less costly contract than Smith (who has yet to sign an extension with the Raiders but will likely clear Darnold's per-year average by at least $10 million) and might be actually good. Darnold's 2024 season with the Vikings ended in a blaze of ignominy with blowout losses to the Lions and Rams, but he largely played well. Big arm, some good throws on the move and plenty of accurate passes. There's something there for sure. Why wouldn't a team seemingly stuck in mediocrity with Smith at the helm not take the pick via trade, go with the cheaper quarterback and gamble on Darnold's upside? The two most likely outcomes are a big step forward from the Smith era into serious playoff contention or a big step back into a clear rebuild.

The problem is that squinting perspective misses the forest for the trees. It is extremely unlikely Darnold performs as good or better in Seattle than he did in Minnesota, because Seattle's offensive nucleus is dreadful compared to Miinnesota's unit. Seattle's offensive line was one of the worst in the league last season, as Smith was pressured within 2.5 seconds on 18.8% of his dropbacks, the fourth-highest rate by NFL Next Gen Stats' data. And the pass-catching group of DK Metcalf, Tyler Lockett and Jaxon Smith-Njigba doesn't hold a candle to that of Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison and T.J. Hockenson. Darnold won't even get that same trio Smith had; Metcalf is a Steeler now, and Lockett has been released.

The offensive depth charts don't even capture the full picture. The Vikings' defense (fourth by success rate and second by EPA per play in the regular season) regularly gave Darnold better field position and score differentials than Seattle's gave Smith, which makes passing easier. Darnold played in a play-action-heavy offense under Kevin O'Connell, which makes passing easier than the straight dropback offense Smith was forced to captain under offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb (who has since been fired).

The likelihood that Darnold, who finally showed franchise quarterback potential in an ideal system, outperforms Smith, who was a consistent producer for three years in Seattle despite a carousel of offensive coordinators and suboptimal pass protection, is extremely small. The high-tail outcome -- that Darnold vaults the Seahawks into a level of playoff contention that Smith never could -- feels accordingly unlikely. The Seahawks are trying to bill this quarterback change as a course correction for a contender, but it simply is not that. They would have kept Metcalf were that the case; they would have been aggressive in the first few days of free agency were that the case. Instead, they have signed Darnold, retained some players in-house and done almost nothing else.

That is why this move is universally panned. It only makes sense if an observer is willing to entertain the likelihood that Darnold is substantially better than Smith, and every observer -- national NFL analyst, Seahawks fan and anyone in between -- has an abundance of evidence that he is not. Could they be roughly equal in caliber? Possibly. But to get only a third-round pick and $10 million per year in cap space to make that bet feels like terrible odds.


Universally panned moves occasionally work ... that's the NFL for you. It's a chaotic, volatile beast. Every career tilts on a razor's edge. But that's why we grade moves based on the information we have at the time, not on the eventual outcome, when all the dust finally settles. And this move is simply poor team-building.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Which teams overpaid? Panicked? Built a QB-proof juggernaut? Let's hand out free agency superlatives

The Colts might be doomed. The Bears and Patriots definitely overpaid in free agency. And the Saints are committed to their bit.

www.espn.com

Let's ust say Ben Solak is not a fan of Seahawks offseason to date...

Neither am I. I thought when we got Darnold and saved money with Metcalf/Smith and made cuts we did, that we would be aggressive in FA. Go after someone like Fries, go get Bosa on a 1 year deal.. instead it seems like Schneider just wants to bank on what's already there and use the draft solely as a means to fix holes...

Which is fine, but then why go get Darnold? Doesn't make sense.

 

[flyerhawk]

Neither am I. I thought when we got Darnold and saved money with Metcalf/Smith and made cuts we did, that we would be aggressive in FA. Go after someone like Fries, go get Bosa on a 1 year deal.. instead it seems like Schneider just wants to bank on what's already there and use the draft solely as a means to fix holes...

Which is fine, but then why go get Darnold? Doesn't make sense.

Pretty much agree. This isn't a team that only needs to fill a couple of spots on the roster. It has numerous significant holes that need to be addressed and expecting multiple rookies to be effective starters in year 1 is just dumb.

 

[MrS]

Which is fine, but then why go get Darnold? Doesn't make sense.

Its possible they have accepted they need to rebuild and its a 3 year plan. If they succeed with darnold and can contend in year 3 he gets extended.
Not signing anyone else in FA makes some sense that way, loading up on picks also makes sense. If they can nail this draft class the team could be pretty good 3 years from now.

 

[Screamin12th]

I get a feeling with how FA is going this team might draft 4 Olineman with their top 5 picks... lol

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Which teams overpaid? Panicked? Built a QB-proof juggernaut? Let's hand out free agency superlatives

The Colts might be doomed. The Bears and Patriots definitely overpaid in free agency. And the Saints are committed to their bit.

www.espn.com

Let's ust say Ben Solak is not a fan of Seahawks offseason to date...

There is a inherent risk rolling with a 35 year old QB especially when he's never been elite even at his apex, add increasing salary demands making it an expensive risk. Those saying the Geno trade is terrible, never factor in the risk of rolling on with Geno. What happens if at 35 his play takes a drop or if he finds it hard to stay healthy (while making 45 million a year and at least 2 years guaranteed). These types of issue are not unusual for aging NFL players and best to stay ahead of those kind of probllems. The old saying better a year early then a year late is so accurate.

 

[flyerhawk]

There is a inherent risk rolling with a 35 year old QB especially when he's never been elite even at his apex, add increasing salary demands making it an expensive risk. Those saying the Geno trade is terrible, never factor in the risk of rolling on with Geno. What happens if at 35 his play takes a drop or if he finds it hard to stay healthy (while making 45 million a year and at least 2 years guaranteed). These types of issue are not unusual for aging NFL players and best to stay ahead of those kind of probllems. The old saying better a year early then a year late is so accurate.

What's done is done. Personally I have deep concerns about how Darnold will do behind our OL but that die has been cast.

If the Seahawks make a move for Jenkins or Becton, I'll feel a little more bullish about things. But as it stands, we have seen no evidence that JS has changed his ways.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

What's done is done. Personally I have deep concerns about how Darnold will do behind our OL but that die has been cast.

If the Seahawks make a move for Jenkins or Becton, I'll feel a little more bullish about things. But as it stands, we have seen no evidence that JS has changed his ways.

If the OL doesn't get fixed don't think it matters if it's Geno or Darnold at QB. Darnold is cheaper and younger and if he fails the Seahawks move on to the next hope which is likely a rookie in the 2026 class (and can keep Darnold for a year to acclimatize the rookie to the NFL). Not sure JS survives another year of crap OL play. In his defense the free agent market was slim picking at OL so it's onto the draft with a slew of draft picks to try to fix the OL and whatever else they can. I'd be a heck of lot happier if JS showed any aptitude for judging IOL talent in the draft at any point during his tenure with the Seahawks, The main hope is he is going more with consensus in drafts and having more success, so there is that.....

 

[Screamin12th]

If the OL doesn't get fixed don't think it matters if it's Geno or Darnold at QB. Darnold is cheaper and younger and if he fails the Seahawks move on to the next hope which is likely a rookie in the 2026 class (and can keep Darnold for a year to acclimatize the rookie to the NFL). Not sure JS survives another year of crap OL play. In his defense the free agent market was slim picking at OL so it's onto the draft with a slew of draft picks to try to fix the OL and whatever else they can. I'd be a heck of lot happier if JS showed any aptitude for judging IOL talent in the draft at any point during his tenure with the Seahawks, The main hope is he is going more with consensus in drafts and having more success, so there is that.....

If the Oline is crap JS will be safe. He will tell Jody it was 100% the Oline coaches fault and get that guy fired. No way Huff should have been fired after one season with the CRAP he had to put on the field. Even though they were 100% trash there were times when my mouth fell open because they held up like a dam. It just wasn't often enough. In past years we never saw that they were consistently always trash lol.