Game of Thrones

[UVA_Guy81]

I think Jon deals with uniting the north before dealing with the White Walkers.

He won't have much choice anyway, Ramsay is coming for him.

Ramsay won't have near the backing he thinks he does particularly against two children of the Starks. Karstark is about it.

It makes sense the more I think about it. If they're going to end it after a shortened season 7 and 8 like the rumors say, then they'll want to resolve this by the seasons end and have Sansa take back the North and put it back under Stark rule again. I definitely think that this is going to be the beginning of the end for Ramsay and the Bolton's.

From the trailers released before the premier, it appears the wildlings and Boltons clash at some point...if you look close it sure looks like Jon is riding in on a horse there.

But, I agree, we need some white walker movement.

There was a lot in the trailer and during some of those quick cuts, so I must've missed that. I'll have to go re-watch the trailer again to try to catch that.

 

[UVA_Guy81]

I subscribe to the theory that book Daario is not really on Dany's side, and he just wants a dragon or something. I read a lot of those theories too (Euron=Daario), they are entertaining to think about, that's for sure. But no.

FWIW, it seems like the show has taken Daario in a completely different direction. I mean, it starts with the looks. But his motives too. It would be a COMPLETE U-turn if Daario betrayed Dany at this point. He's shown too much affection. In the books, he's still this wildly mysterious, lustful, killer. You don't really see him too much unless he fucking Dany. In the show, he just seems like a younger Jorah, or an attractive Bronn.

I could see Daario turning on Jorah, or vice-versa, but I don't think either will turn on Dany.

As for the Harpy, I thought it was either Hizdar or the Green Grace. Well, Hizdar is now dead in the show and the Green Grace doesn't exist in the show, so IDK. But the Harpy seem to be doing pretty well without their leader if it was Daario (burned the fleet), which again makes me doubt he's up to anything.

The Harpy could be someone from Qarth, both in the show and books.

Definitely don't see how Daario could be behind the Harpy. I don't believe he would've planned that far in advance (probably before the fighting pit incident) as he just seems to be a mercenary. Plus even if it was a spur of the moment thing, I don't see how he would've had time between what happened in the pits and when he left with Jorah to get that type of message out since he would've been watched pretty closely. Also, I'm sure if he was, Varys would've gotten wind of it by this point and alerted Tyrion.

 

[chf]

Heh, the Olly hate is strong. He's just some schmuck kid who watched his parents get killed.

I wouldn't stake my life on it, but seems to me there's info in the books on the egress from the pyramids for the dragons. After all it was Danny who had them put there after they started killing people. She does hope to use them to take back Westeros at some point.

Part of that scene that took me out of the moment a little was how easy it was for Tyrion to loose those chains. If he could do it without a tool, then they'd just fall off.

But to play that scene realistically would take forever, and wouldn't be very dramatic, so S.O.D to the rescue.

 

[chf]

I think Roose was trying to tame his "wild dog", but all it ended up doing was provoke him more.

Hubris gets most of the alpha males in the books. It got Roose. But because Ramsay was baseborn, he didn't credit his ambition enough. He correctly saw him as not too bright, but possessed of a low 'cunning,' (GRRM refers to that a LOT in the novels).

My guess is Ramsay wouldn't have lived much longer anyway, with the natural born son in play - but Roose miscalulated that Ramsay would go after the boy first, and not him.

Ooops. Hubris.

Now having said that, Roose isn't smart enough to grokk the larger political implications (his father was always pointing out his strategic errors), so nope, he isn't going to be able to hold his coalition of Northerners together. Low born patricide.

Heh, cracks start IMMEDIATELY.

How do you trust that guy as a noble?

Now that his father isn't pulling his strings, he's well and truly fooked.

My bet is that Brienne does him while Sansa watches.

 

[Superbelt]

 

[Superbelt]

My bet is that Brienne does him while Sansa watches.

No, it falls to Jon to get the revenge for his entire family. Not Brienne. She already got her special kill with Stannis. Jon vs Ramsay in the Bastard Bowl. Sansa will be there.

 

[chf]

No, it falls to Jon to get the revenge for his entire family. Not Brienne. She already got her special kill with Stannis. Jon vs Ramsay in the Bastard Bowl. Sansa will be there.

Very much a dart board throw on my part. I just see Jon as cut out for larger problems than settling scores. Could be Arya too, but probably way too early for her return to W.

 

[Edonidd]

Jon Snow WAS the 998th Lord Captain Commander of the Nights Watch. Was. The oath he took was that his watch ended at his death.

He was always the most like Ned Stark, always would have been the best heir. He tried to shuck his duty and his oath once he heard about Robb, but changed his mind mostly due to honor and upholding his oath.

Tower of Joy is obviously upcoming, which we all expect to have huge ramifications.

I believe Allisair Thorne already forced through his confirmation as 999th LCC, but I didn't pay close enough attention for sure.

So do people think Jon Snow retakes his oath goes back to become the 1000th LCC? Or does he take his leave of the Nights Watch? Or does he retake his LCC title without retaking the oath, and uses that as some sort of dues ex machina for a happy ending that we weren't supposed to see coming?

 

[calsnowskier]

Very much a dart board throw on my part. I just see Jon as cut out for larger problems than settling scores. Could be Arya too, but probably way too early for her return to W.

I think Arya has graduated from Stark issues at this point. The only real Starks left are Sansa and (forgot his name) the one who hasnt been shown since he split from Bran.

Robb - dead
Jon - More Targarian anyway, and he should be focused on Winter.
Arya - A girl has no name. Or family.
Bran - Destined for bigger things, as the new three-eyed-raven.
Sansa - Will rule over Winterfell before all is said and done.
[Other brother] - Will they actually bring him back?

 

[Superbelt]

I don't think Thorne had enough time to become LC. You have to get all the Nights Watch together to do that. He was acting commander though, just like he was before Jon was elected.

Jon is done leading the Nights Watch. His death let him out of his duty, and now he can lead his wildling army to retake the north.

 

[chf]

I think Arya has graduated from Stark issues at this point. The only real Starks left are Sansa and (forgot his name) the one who hasnt been shown since he split from Bran.

Robb - dead
Jon - More Targarian anyway, and he should be focused on Winter.
Arya - A girl has no name. Or family.
Bran - Destined for bigger things, as the new three-eyed-raven.
Sansa - Will rule over Winterfell before all is said and done.
[Other brother] - Will they actually bring him back?

GRRM has laid the groundwork for her to retain her Arya Stark personality (hiding needle under the rock) Plus if there's one character cut out for revenge, it's Arya, what with her list n'all. The skills she's going to develop at a FM, make revenge doable.

I just don't think Ramsay will be around long enough for her to get there.

 

[Superbelt]

And that's why she has and will continue to fail when they ask her who she is. Eventually, she fails out of Faceless Men school, and goes home for Arya's revenge.

 

[calsnowskier]

And that's why she has and will continue to fail when they ask her who she is. Eventually, she fails out of Faceless Men school, and goes home for Arya's revenge.

But she passed this week.

 

[chf]

And that's why she has and will continue to fail when they ask her who she is. Eventually, she fails out of Faceless Men school, and goes home for Arya's revenge.

Nope she passed the next test last night. He offered her an out, and she refused. She's on to the next stage of training. Imo, the FM mantra about being no-one is just part of the training regimen. Same way that military orders have always stripped away the individual at first (uniforms, haircut, loss of status initially) But seen through the lens of her training so far, she BECOMES what is necessary. For the FM, having a high born noble in their ranks would be a positive. She wouldn't have to pretend to be a noble to gain access to that world. But they have to make her a FM first, before they give her back her identity.

From Arya's POV, as a woman she has no power outside of her vagina and marragiablity. So while she doesn't want to give up being a Stark, she wants the power that FM membership will give her (the same road she started down training with Syrio Forel.

 

[Superbelt]

She passed a test. She refused to take the easy way out and get her eyesight back. But not the test of convincing them she is being no one. That's a door that will always be closed to her, unless she goes back to toss away Needle, which I don't think she will do.

They will keep asking who she is, and she will continue to fail the 'no one' question.

They have been asking her since the beginning who she is, and she has always failed saying she is no one, but they let her continue on to a new stage.

She can't be a Stark and a Faceless Man. She will never stop being a Stark.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

The ending with Mel was pretty neat.

No. The ending with Mel was total and complete fucking bullshit.

As if it wasn't hard enough last season to finish to Cersie naked with that nasty bitch behind her saying "shame. shame." here I am in mid-stroke to the hottest bitch on the show when she pulls a bait-n-switch and turns into fifty pounds of shit in a hundred year old, twenty bound bag.

Motherfuck every one who had anything to do with that scene.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

The final scene was kinda strange/confusing as it implied Melisandre's necklace was magical and kept her looking youthful... but... in previous seasons, we have seen her naked/without the necklace:


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Is this a simple production continuity error, or is something else going on?

Hmmm.

Maybe she had the necklace tucked into her snortch.

 

[SFGRTB]

I think Arya has graduated from Stark issues at this point. The only real Starks left are Sansa and (forgot his name) the one who hasnt been shown since he split from Bran.

Robb - dead
Jon - More Targarian anyway, and he should be focused on Winter.
Arya - A girl has no name. Or family.
Bran - Destined for bigger things, as the new three-eyed-raven.
Sansa - Will rule over Winterfell before all is said and done.
[Other brother] - Will they actually bring him back?

Rickon.

I have a theory about this too, based off of next week's preview. I'll tag it if people want to be taken by surprise

Spoiler: Possible show spoiler

There were House Umber horses riding and then it cuts to a guy saying "I have a gift for you" seemingly directed to Ramsay. I think the gift is Rickon. I'm pretty sure Osha said she was taking Rickon to House Umber back in season 3 when they split.

 

[SFGRTB]

She passed a test. She refused to take the easy way out and get her eyesight back. But not the test of convincing them she is being no one. That's a door that will always be closed to her, unless she goes back to toss away Needle, which I don't think she will do.

They will keep asking who she is, and she will continue to fail the 'no one' question.

They have been asking her since the beginning who she is, and she has always failed saying she is no one, but they let her continue on to a new stage.

She can't be a Stark and a Faceless Man. She will never stop being a Stark.

As long as Needle is hidden at the docks, a girl will always be Arya

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

it was said a couple seasons ago that she won't be showing her stuff anymore in this series.

They should replace that uppity bitch. It's not her acting chops that made her a good mother of dragons.