Game of Thrones

[chf]

I don't think you guys are getting deep enough into the game though. They want to 'out' LF, but Bran's word ain't going to be good enough to the Lords of the Vale.

They need the Vale's Knights/heavy horse.

If Arya just kills LF, they lose the Vale.

If they out LF, then the Vale guys line up to carve a chunk out of Petr.

 

[ill]

I don't think you guys are getting deep enough into the game though. They want to 'out' LF, but Bran's word ain't going to be good enough to the Lords of the Vale.

They need the Vale's Knights/heavy horse.

but Bran doesn't give two shits about the game, so it doesn't matter. Bran has bigger fish to fry. He is taking crows over the wall to peek the army of the dead and he will be the first to know about the dead dragon. He isn't in it to see who rules Westeros.

If Sansa wants to play the game, she needs to stop being preoccupied by her little sister. If she wants the Vale on her side, she needs to marry fucking Robin or some creepy shit like that.

 

[Innermind]

Scathing review of the absurd episode 6 on Forbes:

'Game Of Thrones' Season 7, Episode 6 Review: 'Beyond The Wall'


Unfortunately, much of the reviewer's observations are spot-on.

 

[chf]

but Bran doesn't give two shits about the game, so it doesn't matter. Bran has bigger fish to fry. He is taking crows over the wall to peek the army of the dead and he will be the first to know about the dead dragon. He isn't in it to see who rules Westeros.

If Sansa wants to play the game, she needs to stop being preoccupied by her little sister. If she wants the Vale on her side, she needs to marry fucking Robin or some creepy shit like that.

C'mon dude, really? The Vale's heavy cavalry ain't going to come in handy in the WAR to come? 1000 heavy horse with dragonglass tipped lances? She can HAVE the Vale by calling on their ties to her mother and to the Starks (Ned was fostered in the Vale). The wildcard in who is going to control those knights is LF.

I'm not saying he's in it to rule westeros, I'm saying his spooky, "I see dead people" will convince Sansa and Arya and Jon, but it ain't going to convince

this guy.

Sansa (after LF's big head is removed) can have that guy eating out of her hand in 10 minutes.

 

[NCChiFan]

Scathing review of the absurd episode 6 on Forbes:

'Game Of Thrones' Season 7, Episode 6 Review: 'Beyond The Wall'


Unfortunately, much of the reviewer's observations are spot-on.

Exactly what happens when you have 3 seasons or 4 of material and you cram it into 2.

 

[juliansteed]

I think they need to do it right. At this point, it doesn't make sense to kill off some of the bigger characters, but for the side characters, I see no reason not to kill them off.

Instead of having 3 or 4 red shirt wildlings running out there with them, maybe let Beric or Thormund go down. I understand they have an endgame for most characters and maybe Beric is supposed to be some kind of mentor for Jon? I dunno.

Hound has to kill Mountain
Tormund has to get Brienne

Beric has to fight and die fighting a White Walker?

Really thought Beric would be dying this episode considering his last life has already surpassed that of his book counterpart. I figured Thoros would have to go first though so that he wouldn't be able to bring him back. I had also read a theory/fan fiction that had Beric dying first and then as Thoros was in the middle of trying to bring him back, he gets resurrected by a White Walker and takes out Thoros before he realizes what happened. Sounds a bit like The Walking Dead but thought that sounded pretty cool.

 

[Cave_Johnson]

I don't think you guys are getting deep enough into the game though. They want to 'out' LF, but Bran's word ain't going to be good enough to the Lords of the Vale.

They need the Vale's Knights/heavy horse.

If Arya just kills LF, they lose the Vale.

If they out LF, then the Vale guys line up to carve a chunk out of Petr.

I think Sansa gets enough info to sentence Littlefinger to death. Then she follows her father's motto of "He who passes the sentence should swing the sword". We'll get a 10 minute scene of Sansa chopping away at Littlefinger's head trying to sever it off completely.

Alternatively Arya figures it out and then kills Littlefinger and uses his face to become him. She mentioned something similar regarding Sansa last episode. Arya impersonated 3 Freys simultaneously for two weeks at the Twins so being Littlefinger for an extended period of time isn't unreasonable.

If I were a betting man though I'd say the most likely outcome is that Arya knew the whole time, Bran confirms it, and then Sansa has Arya kill Littlefinger and no one at Winterfell really cares.

 

[Edonidd]

Good thing Shakespeare didn't take too long to finish Romeo and Juliet.

Ol' Willy would be like; "I'm not quite sure how it all plays out yet, but in the end I want it to be a tragedy and they both die. I've got them both running off to meet a priest so they can get married. I guess you guys can take over and write your own ending."

Writer #1 - "let's make the meeting with the priest be up in the mountains. That will be a super good looking backdrop for a wedding."

Writer #2 - "Cool! But let's make the sun be setting over the ocean as they're on the beach. It'll be romantic AF!"

#1 - "but still in the mountains right?"

#2 - "it will require some tricky scene staging, but we've got a huge budget because we made the best play ever.:

#1 - "Hell yeah dude!"

#2 - "I just had another great idea! Everyone likes a damsel in distress. Let's have like an evil villain or somebody capture Romeo. Then he has to like save her so they can get married. The fans will fucking love it."

#1 - "you mean Juliet? Capture Juliet"

#2 - "Whatever you think dude. Doesn't matter to me."

#1 - "Alright, but instead of just some villain, let's make it Count Dracula!"

#2 - "you're the best dude! Then we can have Romeo come in and swordfight the shit outta Dracula."

#1 - "Swords don't kill vampires though....?"

#2 - "Trust me it'll be awesome. Nobody will notice that it's a regular sword if we make it awesome enough.

#1 - "We can explode stuff in the background. That will distract people. And they love explosions."

#2 - "Then once Romeo kills Dracula, Juliet will bite his neck and kill him, because she was already made into a vampire. "

#1 - "And then the sunset over the beach we were talking about will kill her. Bam! Trajedy."

#2 - "We fucking nailed that script"

#1 - "Oh, wait. If its the sunset, that means they were in the sunshine the whole time."

#2 - "sure, some fanboys will nitpick at the littlest details. But you need to suspend your disbelief for a bit to enjoy the greatest play of all time."

#1 - "Can't please everyone I guess."

 

[Innermind]

 

[Bridgeburner]

It was a good episode.

/thread

 

[Bridgeburner]

Good thing Shakespeare didn't take too long to finish Romeo and Juliet.

Ol' Willy would be like; "I'm not quite sure how it all plays out yet, but in the end I want it to be a tragedy and they both die. I've got them both running off to meet a priest so they can get married. I guess you guys can take over and write your own ending."

Writer #1 - "let's make the meeting with the priest be up in the mountains. That will be a super good looking backdrop for a wedding."

Writer #2 - "Cool! But let's make the sun be setting over the ocean as they're on the beach. It'll be romantic AF!"

#1 - "but still in the mountains right?"

#2 - "it will require some tricky scene staging, but we've got a huge budget because we made the best play ever.:

#1 - "Hell yeah dude!"

#2 - "I just had another great idea! Everyone likes a damsel in distress. Let's have like an evil villain or somebody capture Romeo. Then he has to like save her so they can get married. The fans will fucking love it."

#1 - "you mean Juliet? Capture Juliet"

#2 - "Whatever you think dude. Doesn't matter to me."

#1 - "Alright, but instead of just some villain, let's make it Count Dracula!"

#2 - "you're the best dude! Then we can have Romeo come in and swordfight the shit outta Dracula."

#1 - "Swords don't kill vampires though....?"

#2 - "Trust me it'll be awesome. Nobody will notice that it's a regular sword if we make it awesome enough.

#1 - "We can explode stuff in the background. That will distract people. And they love explosions."

#2 - "Then once Romeo kills Dracula, Juliet will bite his neck and kill him, because she was already made into a vampire. "

#1 - "And then the sunset over the beach we were talking about will kill her. Bam! Trajedy."

#2 - "We fucking nailed that script"

#1 - "Oh, wait. If its the sunset, that means they were in the sunshine the whole time."

#2 - "sure, some fanboys will nitpick at the littlest details. But you need to suspend your disbelief for a bit to enjoy the greatest play of all time."

#1 - "Can't please everyone I guess."

You need a tissue bro?

 

[Vyle203]

girlfriend was wondering that too. Can Jon Snow be killed?

I thought the same.

 

[RegentDenali]

 

[Payton]

I thought it was great up until the last season. Just got a bit goofy.

When they started intertwining All Along the Watchtower into it is where I shook my head... One of the writers was apparently such a big Hendrix fan that they couldn't help themselves, I guess?

 

[juliansteed]

I think Bran does something big in the season finale.

Sam has to end up somewhere too. Was he heading back to the Wall? He still doesn't know his father and brother are dead.

Also, who is Maester at the Wall? When Gentry got there, they called for him but I didn't think they had one.

Sam was training to become Maester at Castle Black after Maester Aemon died. So as far as we know there is no Maester there. But they used Eastwatch as their base for this mission so they would have a different Maester there whom we've not met yet (and probably won't).

 

[juliansteed]

C'mon dude, really? The Vale's heavy cavalry ain't going to come in handy in the WAR to come? 1000 heavy horse with dragonglass tipped lances? She can HAVE the Vale by calling on their ties to her mother and to the Starks (Ned was fostered in the Vale). The wildcard in who is going to control those knights is LF.

I'm not saying he's in it to rule westeros, I'm saying his spooky, "I see dead people" will convince Sansa and Arya and Jon, but it ain't going to convince

this guy.

Sansa (after LF's big head is removed) can have that guy eating out of her hand in 10 minutes.

Yeah I don't really think Bran's interests are important as it relates to this topic. He gives his sisters the information and how they choose to use it is another story. He's looking at a different game than his sisters but that doesn't mean he can't share info with them that might be relevant to their game.

I don't think Lord Royce would need a ton of convincing to be honest. I don't think he's a huge fan of Littlefinger. The one who technically has command of the Lords of The Vale is Robin Arryn. He seems to be a fan of Littlefinger for now. If Sansa or Bran were to rat him out about killing Lysa, I'm not sure where they would leave Sansa since she initially lied to cover for Littlefinger.

 

[chf]

I don't think Lord Royce would need a ton of convincing to be honest. I don't think he's a huge fan of Littlefinger. The one who technically has command of the Lords of The Vale is Robin Arryn. He seems to be a fan of Littlefinger for now. If Sansa or Bran were to rat him out about killing Lysa, I'm not sure where they would leave Sansa since she initially lied to cover for Littlefinger.

Oh he HATES LF. But we've seen several shots of Baelish whispering to him and the other KOTV. So something is going down.

I get the idea that Sansa and Arya won't leave it to the mercurial milk-sucker Robyn. They'll want something a little more certain. Or maybe Arya defaces Robyn and makes Petr fly?

 

[Payton]

To sum this all up, I think the frustration is just with some lazy writing. The chains, the ridiculous Gendry to raven to Dany time warp to save the day. Benjen riding in from out of nowhere to save the freezing Jon...

Just seems they write themselves i to a corner, and then, instead of coming up with a plausible solution, they kinda cop out.

I'm fine with the show still, but just seems unnecessary.

 

[Gman]

To sum this all up, I think the frustration is just with some lazy writing. The chains, the ridiculous Gendry to raven to Dany time warp to save the day. Benjen riding in from out of nowhere to save the freezing Jon...

Just seems they write themselves i to a corner, and then, instead of coming up with a plausible solution, they kinda cop out.

I'm fine with the show still, but just seems unnecessary.

+1...

I still love the show. But I've had to eye-roll mid episode far too often lately...

- Drowning men in full armor emerging from watery depths somehow?
- The utter lack of care and sense shown with travel times... on multiple occasions
- Everyone agreeing to the ridiculous plan to go north of the wall to capture one skeleton to convince Cersei of the threat... (why would Cersei care?, that's not her character at all)... (and why would they care that Cersei cares?, she has no army to speak of)
- Benjen riding in out of nowhere at just the right time?

I would otherwise be lost in a reverie of truly happy, TV watching bliss... instead, the writers continually startle me with these amateurish flaws.

JMO.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

I don't really care who they are. That's not important to me. But on a journey like this, I keep a tally in my head of who is still available and who has been killed. With the 10 shown marching in the opening scene, and the 3 killed by the polar bear (before the mauling of the red priest), that meant they were down to just the 7 known characters, and one of them deathly injured. Until they got to the lake. Then, all of the sudden, about 3 more red shirts appeared. They just did that so that the viewer would feel the tension of only having real characters left. Ultimate deus ex machina. Blatant lying to the viewer.

That phrase gets thrown around here a bunch. I'd argue that them having a few extra red shirts is not deus ex machina let alone the ULTIMATE version.