Four Redskins make the Pro Bowl

[j_y19]

It is popularity. When the Pro Bowl selects De's they look at sack numbers that's it. I don't what the hell they look at when they select OG's.

Apparently draft position.

 

[Sharkinva]

If Jg was healthy I don't think TM would of seen the playing time that he is seeing right now. Are you calling TM a speed rusher?

IF Long had been a capable starting RG, Moses would have never seen the field.. so whats your point??

 

[skinsdad62]

Run game has thrived eh. I wouldn't call the 18th ranked team (which is where we rank rushing-wise) in a 32 team league thriving. Teams that can run with consistency are physical, we're not physical on either side of the ball. Our offense is more finesse than physical and our defense is outright embarrassing and worthy of clown status. This defense reminds me of the shitty defenses we had when Ron Lynn was def co. This defense has better CBs, trhough it'd be nice if they could catch shit that hit them in the hands, but after that we're right there with Lynn's defense far as being ill prepared, unable to adjust. falling victim again and again to elementary shit. Check downs to RBs, basic pass and run plays giving up career days to someone every fuckin weerk it seems. Shitty linek, interior backer and safety play and adequate outside backer play al la Ken Harvey.

It time for Scotty Mac to get on the stick and start doin some of that shit he was doing in Frisco and Seattle. Cuz all he's doing here is making dolla dolla bills y'all for KC.

Look at yards per carry

 

[deanpet21]

IF Long had been a capable starting RG, Moses would have never seen the field.. so whats your point??

Long is the not capable at starting at both guard positions. The point is Martin was their starting RG from Day 1. Scferff had OT attached to his name so he started out at RT and failed.

 

[skinsdad62]

Long is the not capable at starting at both guard positions. The point is Martin was their starting RG from Day 1. Scferff had OT attached to his name so he started out at RT and failed.

He didn't fail. The staff put the best 5 lineman on the field

 

[Sharkinva]

Long is the not capable at starting at both guard positions. The point is Martin was their starting RG from Day 1. Scferff had OT attached to his name so he started out at RT and failed.

What ever makes you feel better Dean. But if you consider a guy who barring serious injury will be a key starter here for the next ten years some sort of failure... . Im not sure what you would consider a success.

Oh wait.. Ziggy Hood making roster was a success in your book thats right.

 

[skinsdad62]

Perhaps DGF hasn't seen my standards for draft picks . It has been posted an times . Look giving williams more time is ok but then I cant stick a needle in at dean .

Barring injury Sherff will be a fixture in the PB.

Right now he is ahead of Williams things can change but right now he is ahead

This guy stablized our o/ line . Williams could have helped our d/line

We took the right guy and we need to stop acting like he was a mistake . There hasn't been a PB player at OG taken after him yet

Now on to the defense

 

[deanpet21]

What ever makes you feel better Dean. But if you consider a guy who barring serious injury will be a key starter here for the next ten years some sort of failure... . Im not sure what you would consider a success.

Oh wait.. Ziggy Hood making roster was a success in your book thats right.

Not a failure at Og just RT.

 

[deanpet21]

Perhaps DGF hasn't seen my standards for draft picks . It has been posted an times . Look giving williams more time is ok but then I cant stick a needle in at dean .

Barring injury Sherff will be a fixture in the PB.

Right now he is ahead of Williams things can change but right now he is ahead

This guy stablized our o/ line . Williams could have helped our d/line

We took the right guy and we need to stop acting like he was a mistake . There hasn't been a PB player at OG taken after him yet

Now on to the defense

Stabilized on oline? lol. With our great running game?

 

[Sportster 72]

I'd settle for a few more safe picks instead of trading half a teams worth of draft picks for a spread option QB. We could have had two or three starters on D if that had not been the case.

 

[Stymietee]

I'd settle for a few more safe picks instead of trading half a teams worth of draft picks for a spread option QB. We could have had two or three starters on D if that had not been the case.

Boggles the mind how closely area teams mimic one another. Bullets/Wiz were always getting players better suited for half court play and coaches that wanted to run....OR Coaches who wanted to play half court with thoroughbred players. What they had in mind for Griffin still makes no sense considering the coaches that they had/have and his known skillset. At least we can say that this nonsense has stopped.

 

[Breed]

Sherff is a PB player. Williams is an 0 fer

Not really much of an argument when you big pictutre it. John Hannah was arguably the greatest OG to ever play the game and he has all the personal accolades and awards to prove it. He never won anything though from a tean vantage point.

I was glad the Skins didn't draft Willaims outta college as I thought he was overhyped. If he turns into a 14 to 18 sacks a year player who keeps Qff Co up all night. While he terrorizes offenses on game day. Well, it is what it is.

 

[Sharkinva]

Not a failure at Og just RT.

Considering we never saw him ar OT, even in the preseason... thats your opinion. Where as the reality is, it was deemed the O-line as a whole was better off with Scherff at RG and Moses at OT than with Long starting. So again, Longs in ability to start at OG is the only reason Moses see's the field.

 

[Breed]

Look at yards per carry

Yeah, 4.41 ypc, that's cool. Scoring less than a rushing TD a game and the red-zone/short yardage inadequacies trump that though, at least imo. Plus, I'm not buying its all playcalling or KC far as our red-pzone issues. We could run a little more north/south imo and a FB wouldn't hurt. But there always seems to be a breakdown on the OL somewhere. Either someone false starts or holds, Schreff led the OL with 7 penalties this year and MM had 6 himself. How many times has that seemed to happen (to everyone on the OL including Trent) when the Skins get in or near the red-zone? Or a DE or LB just crashes the backside with an inside slant and blows up the play. Those fuckin OL subbing in as TEs on jumbo packages are also next to fuckin useless as well.

 

[Breed]

Considering we never saw him ar OT, even in the preseason... thats your opinion. Where as the reality is, it was deemed the O-line as a whole was better off with Scherff at RG and Moses at OT than with Long starting. So again, Longs in ability to start at OG is the only reason Moses see's the field.

I seem to recall reading some articles that said someone, MM. someone, was significantly better or at least looked noticeably better than Scherff did at T. It wasn't like they never played him at the position from what I recall.

That could be a pretty big reason why we never him at T.

 

[Sharkinva]

I seem to recall reading some articles that said someone, MM. someone, was significantly better or at least looked noticeably better than Scherff did at T. It wasn't like they never played him at the position from what I recall.

That could be a pretty big reason why we never him at T.

And in that same article it was also mentioned that 3-5 days into training camp it was rather questionable to make such determinations on a rookie player. Most also expected a guy in his second year to look more comfortable at the position than a rookie. At the time it was questioned if Washington had been too quick to make the move to putting Scherff at OG. Now for the most part it has worked out for the team. As having what looks to be an all pro level RG next to an average OT might serve better than having a different setup. But I guess this question really gets answered over the next year or two. Because I think we can all safely say that barring a major injury, Scherff will be here for the long haul. Moses.... I still think if they had a better option, he would be a backup.

 

[Stymietee]

I seem to recall reading some articles that said someone, MM. someone, was significantly better or at least looked noticeably better than Scherff did at T. It wasn't like they never played him at the position from what I recall.

That could be a pretty big reason why we never him at T.

Quick Google search confirms that he started OTA's and the first week of camp at Tackle and the move was made because he was better suited at guard because MM was vastly improved and improving under the tutelage of BC.

 

[gkekoa]

If Jg was healthy I don't think TM would of seen the playing time that he is seeing right now. Are you calling TM a speed rusher?

Do you have to be a "speed rusher" to be effective at OLB? I am pretty sure RK wouldn't qualify?

Would JG have the sacks TM has? If you think so, what makes you believe this?

 

[gkekoa]

Yeah, 4.41 ypc, that's cool. Scoring less than a rushing TD a game and the red-zone/short yardage inadequacies trump that though, at least imo. Plus, I'm not buying its all playcalling or KC far as our red-pzone issues. We could run a little more north/south imo and a FB wouldn't hurt. But there always seems to be a breakdown on the OL somewhere. Either someone false starts or holds, Schreff led the OL with 7 penalties this year and MM had 6 himself. How many times has that seemed to happen (to everyone on the OL including Trent) when the Skins get in or near the red-zone? Or a DE or LB just crashes the backside with an inside slant and blows up the play. Those fuckin OL subbing in as TEs on jumbo packages are also next to fuckin useless as well.

How many teams average a rushing TD each game?

 

[Breed]

And in that same article it was also mentioned that 3-5 days into training camp it was rather questionable to make such determinations on a rookie player. Most also expected a guy in his second year to look more comfortable at the position than a rookie. At the time it was questioned if Washington had been too quick to make the move to putting Scherff at OG. Now for the most part it has worked out for the team. As having what looks to be an all pro level RG next to an average OT might serve better than having a different setup. But I guess this question really gets answered over the next year or two. Because I think we can all safely say that barring a major injury, Scherff will be here for the long haul. Moses.... I still think if they had a better option, he would be a backup.

I can't call it and truth be told. I coiuld care less that Scherff was drafted as high as he was and he plays guard. I do know guards very rarely have been drafted as high as Scherff. I can only think of two. Hannah and Jim Parker. If Scherff can be be included in any conversation that includes those two when talking about great NFL guards. He will indeed have been the selection.

But.................I also thought he was the initial pick to put the Skins on track to be a physical, punch you in the mouth team. We're not a tough team, not from a physicality standpoint. We have a couple players imo, Twill, I'd include Scherff, Garcon, Kelley, and that's probably it. Our defense is, well, fuckin embarrassing. They are literally anti-tough and anti-physical at times.