Flaming will enjoy this

[vancelot23]

Greg Rosenthal, writer for NBC Sports and PFT tweeted this earlier:

"Carson Palmer picked bad year to sit at home. With that D and A.J. Green, he'd make the playoffs."

Dave Razzano, an NFL scout for 24 years, had this to say of Palmer:

"Palmer outsmarted himself. he is good but always questioned his true passion for game."

 

[futballiscool]

AJ Green is sick..

It's hard not to wonder the kind of numbers he would post with a quality veteran passer chucking him the ball.

at some point Palmer has to explain what's going on here. I realize he tried to handle it behind closed doors, but that didn't work

Reedy says there's no way he's getting traded this yr

 

[CrashDavisSports]

AJ Green is sick..

It's hard not to wonder the kind of numbers he would post with a quality veteran passer chucking him the ball.

at some point Palmer has to explain what's going on here. I realized he tried to handle it behind closed doors, but that didn't work

Reedy says there's no way he's getting traded this yr

Why would Mike Brown trade him? I want him to, and he should to get compensation..however..

1) He gets to win his argument.
2) He is not retired, he is not being paid. Mike Brown owes him nothing, while getting his salary to count against the cap allowing him to make more money.
3) Palmer is starting to be questioned more than Brown now due to the success of our young talent on offense.

 

[futballiscool]

Why would Mike Brown trade him? I want him to, and he should to get compensation..however..

1) He gets to win his argument.
2) He is not retired, he is not being paid. Mike Brown owes him nothing, while getting his salary to count against the cap allowing him to make more money.
3) Palmer is starting to be questioned more than Brown now due to the success of our young talent on offense.

Because he gets the most worth out of Palmer assuming they're ready to move on with Dalton. Different people have different opinions, but I just can't see the trade value of a QB in his early 30's benifiting from an entire yr of inactivity.

also Palmer still has the option of showing up at any point during the season. if the Bengals are 5-3 why doesn't he show up to collect his prorate 6 million dollar salary to do nothing but sit on the bench? it creates an obvious distraction

the trade makes sense unless MB thinks Palmer contributes to the Bengals ever again. otherwise it's pure vindictiveness and spite

 

[DanBengalfan]

one can only speculate how much Carson and his family were just sick of this place.

and... we're only 2-2... 4 weeks into the season. lets not get ahead of ourselves.

let it all play out.

 

[Restore the Roar]

Carson should just show up. They will more than likely trade him if he does and he'll get paid.

 

[vancelot23]

Carson should just show up. They will more than likely trade him if he does and he'll get paid.

Well, let me post this article by Andrew Brandt, writer for the National Football Post, and former NFL GM:

What can Brown do for Carson? | National Football Post

In it he says in his opinion, even if Carson showed up, it wouldn't do anything, because the Bengals have the cap space, and that Carson would then be subject to showing up to all practices, games, meetings, etc, which he does not want to do. Failure to show up = no pay.

 

[vancelot23]

Its an interesting article BTW. He talks about Brown not being well liked among owners for just sitting back and collecting his share of revenues without investing back into the team.

 

[futballiscool]

The Bengals obviously have the caproom, but do they want to cut a player from their roster and pay someone a prorated 12 millon dollar salary who will likely never contribute to the team again?

It would essentaily be the same thing as the Bryant signing .ie paying someone 8 million dollars who will never contribute to your team again.. except this time you're willingly doing it

where as if you trade Palmer you get draft picks, and can spend the 8 million to re-sign some of the team's young talent..

showing up at least forces the Bengals to make a decision. i'm suprised he hasnt done it yet

 

[flamingrey]

Greg Rosenthal, writer for NBC Sports and PFT tweeted this earlier:

"Carson Palmer picked bad year to sit at home. With that D and A.J. Green, he'd make the playoffs."

Dave Razzano, an NFL scout for 24 years, had this to say of Palmer:

"Palmer outsmarted himself. he is good but always questioned his true passion for game."

I can't disagree with any of that.

And that of the whole situation pisses me off more than anything. This could be an obvious playoff contender considering the schedule, D, new receivers and offense which I'm a big fan of, and the competition in the division. It's 2009 all over again with a better team all around.

And from the outside looking it, I would say Palmer did outsmart himself. But frankly, I don't think he cares, and it makes sense in a way. I think he'd rather get traded to a new team sooner rather than later which will give him more years with a better chance to compete as opposed to playing for the Bengals this year, possibly making the playoffs, and then being stuck here for another 3 years because Brown definitely won't trade him after a playoff season. There's some give and take, but if he's looking at the big picture, he's doing everything right.

 

[flamingrey]

showing up at least forces the Bengals to make a decision. i'm suprised he hasnt done it yet

He's too nice of a guy. I don't think he has any desire to cause problems in a lockerroom he himself spent 7 years. I'm sure he has a close relationship with several people in there, and a good enough one with most to not want to meddle.

 

[futballiscool]

eh, the NFL is a billion dollar buisness, and this is a guy with 50 million dollars remaining on his contract..

I think he has to play his hand. Mike Brown has sure played his

 

[futballiscool]

plus I think it adds some validity to the scout's quote in the OP. does he want to be everyone's friend, or does he want to play football?

maybe a lack of a killer instinct has been part of his problem as a QB

 

[CrashDavisSports]

He's too nice of a guy. I don't think he has any desire to cause problems in a lockerroom he himself spent 7 years. I'm sure he has a close relationship with several people in there, and a good enough one with most to not want to meddle.

All that happens is we drop Robinson or whatever his name is, our 3rd string inactive QB that doesn't count against our active list. Palmer comes in and sits the bench as an inactive player. If something was to happen to Dalton, they would stick Palmer in, and what is he going to say, no, you are not allowed to play me even though I am on the roster getting paid?

He would get fined heavily from the team, and still no decision is being made, except eventually the commissioner getting involved due to a player refusing to play for his team he is getting paid by. The union would have to be involved, the commissioner, Palmer, Brown, ect.

If he plays and just doesn't care and makes too many mistake to keep the team from winning, now he is really decreasing his value to another team even if he is cut because of his lack of self respect and willingness to help a team he is getting paid by. His professionalism comes into question.

If he comes back and plays and plays well if Dalton is hurt, then Mike Brown wins, because he didn't give in, and he got Palmer to play for him again.

Palmer is just F'd three ways from sunday in this situation if he truely does not want to be there.

 

[vancelot23]

Which also leads into Brandt's point in the article, that Carson definitely does not want to have to be present at every game, meeting, and practice, which he would be required to do if he took the route of coming back to force their hand.

 

[futballiscool]

All that happens is we drop Robinson or whatever his name is, our 3rd string inactive QB that doesn't count against our active list. Palmer comes in and sits the bench as an inactive player. If something was to happen to Dalton, they would stick Palmer in, and what is he going to say, no, you are not allowed to play me even though I am on the roster getting paid?

He would get fined heavily from the team, and still no decision is being made, except eventually the commissioner getting involved due to a player refusing to play for his team he is getting paid by. The union would have to be involved, the commissioner, Palmer, Brown, ect.

If he plays and just doesn't care and makes too many mistake to keep the team from winning, now he is really decreasing his value to another team even if he is cut because of his lack of self respect and willingness to help a team he is getting paid by. His professionalism comes into question.

If he comes back and plays and plays well if Dalton is hurt, then Mike Brown wins, because he didn't give in, and he got Palmer to play for him again.

Palmer is just F'd three ways from sunday in this situation if he truely does not want to be there.

Robinson is on the practice squad. Palmer can't be placed there because of his tenure in the leauge. The leauge probably grants them a roster exemption for a week or two, but eventaully a player has to be cut...

If reports are on the level that MB won't trade him, showing up can only expedite the process.

so the question is does MB want to spend 700,000 dollars a game on a 3rd string QB to make the point.

 

[flamingrey]

The whole problem is Mike Brown doesn't give a shit how dumb the Bengals organization looks in the fiasco, how it effects his players in the lockerroom, what kind of effect it could have if Palmer came back, or the value it could add to the team by trading him. Mike Brown only cares about the money. Everyone loses here [Palmer, fans, players, and coaches] except him.

Since you brought up the thing about other owners not liking him, I wouldn't be surprised if a huge chunk of the owners were actually supportive of teams having to spend 99% of the cap, even though it was probably something the players were pushing for. Most already do and others have always hovered pretty close to. It causes dead-beat owners like Brown to actually spend, increase their own team revenues to increase the overall revenues that are split. Many owners here win in the situation.

 

[Cincyfan78]

The whole problem is Mike Brown doesn't give a shit how dumb the Bengals organization looks in the fiasco, how it effects his players in the lockerroom, what kind of effect it could have if Palmer came back, or the value it could add to the team by trading him. Mike Brown only cares about the money. Everyone loses here [Palmer, fans, players, and coaches] except him.

Since you brought up the thing about other owners not liking him, I wouldn't be surprised if a huge chunk of the owners were actually supportive of teams having to spend 99% of the cap, even though it was probably something the players were pushing for. Most already do and others have always hovered pretty close to. It causes dead-beat owners like Brown to actually spend, increase their own team revenues to increase the overall revenues that are split. Many owners here win in the situation.

Yep.

Crappy attendance doesn't hurt as bad when you can more than make up for what you lose out on by not spending the cap. Brown can make more money by not spending the cap than he can right now if he spent the cap and risked still not sellilng out.

In 2 more years, he won't have a choice. Spend the money one way or another. He'll have to figure, sooner or later, that spending the money wisely will be the only way to ensure that fans consistently fill the stadium. If not, he'll be spending money on a product that doesn't produce, and will no longer have the luxury of using the salary cap space as a buffer.

 

[Restore the Roar]

The whole problem is Mike Brown doesn't give a shit how dumb the Bengals organization looks in the fiasco, how it effects his players in the lockerroom, what kind of effect it could have if Palmer came back, or the value it could add to the team by trading him. Mike Brown only cares about the money. Everyone loses here [Palmer, fans, players, and coaches] except him.

That's why I don't think he wants Carson to show up. Yeah they have the cap room but Brown still picks up pennys off the ground. I think Palmer can give him a big FU by showing up, not giving a shit and collecting his 6 million or what ever the number is. Carson doesn't have it in him to do that though, like you said. I'd do it just to take some of that greedy fucks money though...

 

[vancelot23]

The whole problem is Mike Brown doesn't give a shit how dumb the Bengals organization looks in the fiasco, how it effects his players in the lockerroom, what kind of effect it could have if Palmer came back, or the value it could add to the team by trading him. Mike Brown only cares about the money. Everyone loses here [Palmer, fans, players, and coaches] except him.

Since you brought up the thing about other owners not liking him, I wouldn't be surprised if a huge chunk of the owners were actually supportive of teams having to spend 99% of the cap, even though it was probably something the players were pushing for. Most already do and others have always hovered pretty close to. It causes dead-beat owners like Brown to actually spend, increase their own team revenues to increase the overall revenues that are split. Many owners here win in the situation.

I would not be surprised if the bolded statement was true.