Fitz vs Vea

[deanpet21]

If both are there, who do we take any why?

I say Fitz b/c he can play all the positions in the secondary. Plus this could be Normans last year here. He is the more versatile player that could help out our team. Don't get me wrong Vea will help but is he just a two down player? If this wasnt a QB rich draft Fitz is easily a top 8 or 10 player.

As far as Fitz vs James its a toss up for me right now.

 

[gkekoa]

It depends on philosophy and risk.

Fitz has more upside and a higher bust potential. While I agree, he is more versatile, versatility is overrated if you aren’t as good at one part. Everything I have read makes me believe he is likely just a safety, not really a corner.

Vea can de dominant at the point of attack for years which is far more valuable than a safety. He won’t always show up in the stat column but will likely have more influence on wins and losses than a safety.

For me, if Fitz ends up Ed Reed and Vea ends up being Wilfork, who would I want? Give me Wilfork even though I love Ed Reed.

 

[Sharkinva]

Payne or Vea period.

I get the infatuation with how Fitz could be a special player, yadadah yah.

But drafting a special secondary player when your line is still average at best is like getting two tone paint when your transmission slips.

 

[kbso83432]

Give me the better player. I'll take Fitz. I think it will be easier to find a guy to push the pocket than a guy other teams are trying to locate on the field before every play out of fear of a game changing turnover. I realize we've been kicking the NT can down the road for almost a decade or more, but I'd go Fitz.

Now Cooley could be wrong but I'm sure he talks to people and he said this week he doesn't even think Vea is on their board. He gaurenteed they liked Pyane more and cited the report that Minkah won't get past the Skins.

My realistic wishlist @13
1. Minkah Fitzpatrick
2. Trade down and still get DaRon Payne
3. Vita Vea
4. Roquan Smith
5. Trade down and get Guice/Michel

For the record if they took Vea I'd be fine and in the end would probably prove to be the smart, prudent thing to do considering our NTs are Hood and Phil.

 

[countryroads316]

Give me the better player. I'll take Fitz. I think it will be easier to find a guy to push the pocket than a guy other teams are trying to locate on the field before every play out of fear of a game changing turnover. I realize we've been kicking the NT can down the road for almost a decade or more, but I'd go Fitz.

Now Cooley could be wrong but I'm sure he talks to people and he said this week he doesn't even think Vea is on their board. He gaurenteed they liked Pyane more and cited the report that Minkah won't get past the Skins.

My realistic wishlist @13
1. Minkah Fitzpatrick
2. Trade down and still get DaRon Payne
3. Vita Vea
4. Roquan Smith
5. Trade down and get Guice/Michel

For the record if they took Vea I'd be fine and in the end would probably prove to be the smart, prudent thing to do considering our NTs are Hood and Phil.

Give me the better player. I'll take Fitz. I think it will be easier to find a guy to push the pocket than a guy other teams are trying to locate on the field before every play out of fear of a game changing turnover. I realize we've been kicking the NT can down the road for almost a decade or more, but I'd go Fitz.

Now Cooley could be wrong but I'm sure he talks to people and he said this week he doesn't even think Vea is on their board. He gaurenteed they liked Pyane more and cited the report that Minkah won't get past the Skins.

My realistic wishlist @13
1. Minkah Fitzpatrick
2. Trade down and still get DaRon Payne
3. Vita Vea
4. Roquan Smith
5. Trade down and get Guice/Michel

For the record if they took Vea I'd be fine and in the end would probably prove to be the smart, prudent thing to do considering our NTs are Hood and Phil.

Umm easy to find a guy that can push the pocket?? Haven't the Redskins been searching years for that guy and now they have the opportunity to land one in Vea if he is there and a beast defensive line makes an average secondary look elite and at the moment the Redskins is in the good column I would love to have a dominant defensive line for once

 

[kbso83432]

But have they REALLY been searching. I don't think they have. The fans have but the front office just let someone walk out of the building last week that can do that.

 

[Sharkinva]

But have they REALLY been searching. I don't think they have. The fans have but the front office just let someone walk out of the building last week that can do that.

I think we all know the real issue when it comes to this.

We have an owner who should NOT be allowed to watch things like Sports Center, or NFL Network.

Dan watches and can see other teams with players like Ed Reed, Revis in his prime, and all the offensive super stars, and figures all we need to win is a bunch of "special" players. Never realizing that guys like Josh Norman, Richard Sherman and the like, become average if the Lines are weak or ignored.

 

[kbso83432]

I agree shark, but not 100% with you. Champ was a great corner behind Coefield, Phillip Daniels and Wynn. Great lines make average corners good, but great corners and safeties can shut down one side of the field without a dominant line.

 

[Sharkinva]

I agree shark, but not 100% with you. Champ was a great corner behind Coefield, Phillip Daniels and Wynn. Great lines make average corners good, but great corners and safeties can shut down one side of the field without a dominant line.

Remind me again, how good was our defense even with Champ?? And IM not seeing Fitz as shutting down one side of the field any more than Norman has been able to.

 

[kbso83432]

There is no guarantee Fitz does that. I was just disagreeing with your premise.

I generally agree we should build from the lines out, but when Gregg was here and we had Springs, Rogers, Taylor, Landry, and Smoot back there with we had a really good defense. From 04 to 09 we were top 10 in defensive yards given up 5 of those 6 years. I can't rememer a superstar d lineman on any of those teams. My point is it can be done both ways.

 

[deanpet21]

Payne or Vea period.

I get the infatuation with how Fitz could be a special player, yadadah yah.

But drafting a special secondary player when your line is still average at best is like getting two tone paint when your transmission slips.

So if Fitz gets picked over Vea its a bad pick? Usually a secondary guy who can do everything gets picked over a NT. My fear with VEa or Payne is that they turn out to be the next Danny Shelton and we passed on a guy who has the talent of Jalen Ramsey.

 

[Ruzious]

The only problem I have with Shark's view is that he seems to want to get 27 nose tackles before considering a defensive back.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

D.G Guice at 13 all the way

 

[Sharkinva]

The only problem I have with Shark's view is that he seems to want to get 27 nose tackles before considering a defensive back.

And the reality is, if we are simply bringing in a guy to play NOse, the line is still just average to above average.

If we draft Vea, he should be able to play more than NOse, if we draft Payne, he should be able to play more than NOse.

Guess what, we need more than just a Nose Tackle.

@deanpet21 Fitz would be a less than optimal pick for THIS team. Maybe not a bad pick. But until you fix the line, secondary players are nothing more than frosting on a twinky... looks yummy. But doesnt really do much for you at the end of the day.

So yea, I want to fix the line and stop drafting based on how it will affect our sports center appearances stats.

 

[Kendall Eberhardt]

Hello all, it has been a while since I have posted.

I always have believed we should build from the inside out. Build a good oline and dline and the rest will come. Vita Vea should be a difference maker from the jump because he has the weight and the athletic ability. I also like payne as he would be reunited with Allen and that could be a special grouping. I hope the redskins stop making splashes on flashy picks and pick players of the likes of brandon sherref. Thats what will eventually win chamionships.

 

[Stymietee]

If both are there, who do we take any why?

I say Fitz b/c he can play all the positions in the secondary. Plus this could be Normans last year here. He is the more versatile player that could help out our team. Don't get me wrong Vea will help but is he just a two down player? If this wasnt a QB rich draft Fitz is easily a top 8 or 10 player.

As far as Fitz vs James its a toss up for me right now.

I've predicted that Bruce will draft a safety at 13 and I'm sticking to that. That said, if the belief is Vea is only a two down player, then the better choice is Da'Ron Payne who is more versatile and a 3 down player.

 

[Sportster 72]

One corner cannot shut down an entire side of the field. A very elite player can shut down one receiver, there are very few that are that good.

In today's NFL with so many sub packages and also the desire to keep players fresh. I don't know if you worry about how many downs a guy can play. I think what you are looking for Sty is a guy who can play 0-3 technique.

I am always for both sides of the LOS and then building out. That is something we haven't done well since the Gibbs 1 era. Everyone knew how good the hogs where, I am not sure if everyone realized how good the DLine was in those days with Mann, Butz, Grant and Manley.

 

[Stymietee]

I agree shark, but not 100% with you. Champ was a great corner behind Coefield, Phillip Daniels and Wynn. Great lines make average corners good, but great corners and safeties can shut down one side of the field without a dominant line.

Please, in any conversation like this let us never forget to mention S. Taylor (RIP) who single handedly made our defense and defensive front better.

 

[deanpet21]

And the reality is, if we are simply bringing in a guy to play NOse, the line is still just average to above average.

If we draft Vea, he should be able to play more than NOse, if we draft Payne, he should be able to play more than NOse.

Guess what, we need more than just a Nose Tackle.

@deanpet21 Fitz would be a less than optimal pick for THIS team. Maybe not a bad pick. But until you fix the line, secondary players are nothing more than frosting on a twinky... looks yummy. But doesnt really do much for you at the end of the day.

So yea, I want to fix the line and stop drafting based on how it will affect our sports center appearances stats.

Im leaning towards Fitz right now. Even if we miss out on Vea or Payne there are still other options at NT. Whether its Hankins or drafting one late.

Right now I would like to see us get Fitz and round 1 and Billy Price in round 2.

 

[Stymietee]

Im leaning towards Fitz right now. Even if we miss out on Vea or Payne there are still other options at NT. Whether its Hankins or drafting one late.

Right now I would like to see us get Fitz and round 1 and Billy Price in round 2.

I honestly now am leaning towards our pick at 13 being traded. I'm not sure how far down we'll end up but I would only accept offers from the 17 spot (Chargers) up.