F Dan Snyder

[Sportster 72]

I came into the fandom during the Golden Years per se. I remember Jay Schroeder as the QB of the first Skins game I watched. I have Christmas pictures of me getting sweatshirts and jerseys. I wore my Art Monk jersey until I outgrew it. I had posters of Doug Williams and Mark Rypien on my wall. ITs been a while, but I swore we made the playoffs each year. My hero was Earnest Byner growning up.

I had no clue about Snyder to be honest. He seemed like he loved the team and wanted to win. I got caught up in his bonanza of being the GM and I looked forward to the start of free agency each year. I loved bringing in all the players on the contracts. Somehow I thought we would win with proven talent. I was wrong.

I remember arguing with Goldy on the ESPN boards and fighting the trolls during the draft and free agency. TexRich, Eastbay, Asbestos, Earl Stevens, etc. I remember Gkeoka and Skinsdad, Shark, and numerous other fans posting as well. Fun times indeed...lol

I bought in to Gibbs 2.0 and thought we would turn it around. I never got on board with Zorn but I believed in Shanahan. I wanted us to be Denver 2.0. RG3 broke my heart and then the Gruden years came and went. When we hired Rivera, I knew something was wrong. I did not want the coach to also be the GM as it never works. I have been overly vocal about his tenure and have complained quite a bit obviously. Probably too much.

Then the news broke last year and that was another strike. I found it embarrassing to talk about the team to others. I had had enough of Snyder and was hoping that would be it, but it wasn't. Over the past 12 months, it has simply gotten worse and worse. I thought it would be enough for him to get the Donald Stirling treatment, but I was wrong. The latest round of testimonies was the final nail that was started on the coffin. After Goodell's testimony and additional allegations/witnesses, I made the decision that if Snyder was not removed in the near future, I would be gone. I believe that there is more to come and hope it will be the tipping point but I have my doubt. I am still holding out that the owners make a motion for dismissal. I doubt it happens but we can still hope.

Sadly you missed football before free agency. Those were the days. You kept guys you wanted for a long time. Monte Coleman never gets to stay as long as he did and no way Darrell Green does. Of course the players didn't make as much money then either.

Dan knows if he stalls long enough and the House switches hands that will be the end of the investigation. That is why he is stalling now. Not to mention our legislators are famous for putting on these dog and pony shows and then doing nothing.

 

[duke1861]

Sadly you missed football before free agency. Those were the days. You kept guys you wanted for a long time. Monte Coleman never gets to stay as long as he did and no way Darrell Green does. Of course the players didn't make as much money then either.

Dan knows if he stalls long enough and the House switches hands that will be the end of the investigation. That is why he is stalling now. Not to mention our legislators are famous for putting on these dog and pony shows and then doing nothing.

Yes, Dan knows he simply has to wait or that is his best option.

For a minute, I thought the owners would have had enough of this and voted. Sadly, not one question was asked about the Commanders financial schemes to withhold funds from opposing teams. I wonder what ole Roger would have said.

I think the owners were embarrassed but will tolerate it. They know if they vote Dan out, any one of them could be next. If it is proven Dan ordered funds to be withheld and he cooked the books, then that would move the needle.

I think that is what it boils down to for me. I cannot sit back and watch a game and not think about what is really going on. I can't separate the two. If this was going on with another team, I would be in awe and wonder why anyone in their right mind would stick around. I took a look in the mirror finally and didn't like what I saw.

 

[Rowdy]

Actually this liberal congress is helping Dan. Because it’s nothing but a clown show another (schiff show) and a waist of time. There’s way more important shit they need to work on. Let the nfl take care of Dan if they see fit

 

[Sportster 72]

Actually this liberal congress is helping Dan. Because it’s nothing but a clown show another (schiff show) and a waist of time. There’s way more important shit they need to work on. Let the nfl take care of Dan if they see fit

I don't think it is helping his image. As I said before if the House changes hands this will get dropped. Republican's have no desire to pursue this as has been documented. If the House doesn't change hands I think it is a dog and pony (clown) show and nothing happens to Dan.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Actually this liberal congress is helping Dan. Because it’s nothing but a clown show another (schiff show) and a waist of time. There’s way more important shit they need to work on. Let the nfl take care of Dan if they see fit

This is venturing into politics and we don't want to go there. But it has to be pointed out the Dems were actually trying to get to the truth while the GOP wanted to discuss fentanyl for reasons only known to them.

This was most definitely not a waste of time. Again an owner was saying it's not one thing, it's all the smoke that constantly surrounds the team and the other owners are tired of it. I would think forcing the Commissioner to testify before Congress, and seeing Snyder make a mockery of a Congressional subpoena is considerably more smoke. Every Washington fan should be in full support of this Congressional investigation, it is helping the cause to get Snyder out. But as it is today the 2 sides can't agree on ANYTHING, even something as obvious as this for Washington fans.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I turned on a Redskins all time highlight clip on YouTube. I almost cried, knowing it will never be like that again for me.

 

[chillerdab]

Both realities can exist at the same time:

Congress has more important things to do AND this is not a waste of time.

Can our resident nutjob rightwingers admit the same? Would anybody be surprised that they cant?

 

[deanpet21]

i am at best luke warm on him as a HC and i think he isnt good as a GM . i dont like how he handled situations like the name change ( his puppy) his views on things . the coaching on the field isnt good with slow reactions to what is going on and he wasnt what i expected as a coach . now thats balanced with what he inherited , the toxic team culture and the fact he wasnt healthy

I dont think he had anything to do with the name change. He was basically just a puppet in that role. On field decisions are average but he doenst call the plays on offense or defenses. He did inherit a mess, I'm glad that you understand that.

 

[deanpet21]

I'm not really sure what you are doing. Are you claiming that this was not a toxic environment?

It is but players continue to come and resign here. They like the football aspect of the team not the owner. Same goes with the fans you dont have to like the owner to be a fan of the team

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

It is but players continue to come and resign here. They like the football aspect of the team not the owner. Same goes with the fans you dont have to like the owner to be a fan of the team

I'm just question the angle you are taking Dean. As has been explained players sign or resign for a variety of reasons. Even bad teams with bad organizations such as Cleveland and Detroit. There was also a reason players like Russell Wilson excluded Washington as a destination. Who knows how many other players they missed out on? The players like Dan, why wouldn't they as he treats them far differently than pretty much everyone else?

 

[Stymietee]

I'll respond to other posts later, especially those directly to me from @dad and @gkekoa. It's an especially busy time for me but In the meantime, there's this.


Dan Snyder reportedly makes offer to testify
After the House Committee on Oversight & Reform threatened to slap him with a contempt of …
The Comeback on MSN.com · 14h

 

[deanpet21]

I'm just question the angle you are taking Dean. As has been explained players sign or resign for a variety of reasons. Even bad teams with bad organizations such as Cleveland and Detroit. There was also a reason players like Russell Wilson excluded Washington as a destination. Who knows how many other players they missed out on? The players like Dan, why wouldn't they as he treats them far differently than pretty much everyone else?

Yes but the bad teams like cle, jax, and Detroit always have to overpay to get FA's in their organization. We didnt with our two captains. Sure players could say no to us b/c of Dan but its not a huge problem as people think b/c we are still getting FA's with all the losing and we are not drastically overpaying to bring FA's in. Another example is Jackson and Samuel last year. They werent overpays and they were prized Fa's

IMO RW had a better chance to win here b/c of the NFC vs the loaded AFC. Sure Denver is a good team but the competition is brutal to get out of the AFC. Way easier road in the NFC and an easier path to win the division.

 

[duke1861]

Yes but the bad teams like cle, jax, and Detroit always have to overpay to get FA's in their organization. We didnt with our two captains. Sure players could say no to us b/c of Dan but its not a huge problem as people think b/c we are still getting FA's with all the losing and we are not drastically overpaying to bring FA's in. Another example is Jackson and Samuel last year. They werent overpays and they were prized Fa's

IMO RW had a better chance to win here b/c of the NFC vs the loaded AFC. Sure Denver is a good team but the competition is brutal to get out of the AFC. Way easier road in the NFC and an easier path to win the division.

That is not true. Austin Hooper reportedly had similar offers from CLE and WSH and he chose CLE over us.

We actually offered Amari Cooper more money to come here but he chose DAL. You continue to think WSH is a preferred destination and it's not.

You are still talking about Wilson and bitter he didn't come here? Wilson didn't think so and thought DEN was a better fit. I know you find that bizarre but he is a top player and Super Bowl champion. I find it odd that you are offended he made the better choice by going to DEN.

Yes, we had a few players (TMac and Allen) resign here. Others will resign here and free agents will come and go. These players only have 32 places to work Dean. To some players, the front office and ownership are not an issue and to some it is. In the end, they want to make money like everyone else. Alex Smith said the entire organization (owner to coaches) is dysfunctional. Was he lying?

As pointed out before (and you agreed about Allen), Jackson, Samuel, and Allen signed before most of the recent team news broke. I do not know what your angle is as you admitted yesterday that Goodell was right and we had the worse culture in the NFL. You literally could not admit that there was a worse owner in pro sports. You then took a victory lap and said "football and Rivera" trump Snyder (or something like that). It is almost like you are proud of the dysfunction and enjoy seeing others ignore it like you. Am I wrong?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Dean can feel as he pleases. But again what players do is beside the point. It's what the fans are dong that is the point and their actions speak very clearly. It will take a lot of winning to get them back and it's been proven that this will never be the case as long as Daniel Snyder owns this team. So yeah the 2 are connected like conjoined twins.

 

[duke1861]

I dont think he had anything to do with the name change. He was basically just a puppet in that role. On field decisions are average but he doenst call the plays on offense or defenses. He did inherit a mess, I'm glad that you understand that.

But you said there is nothing wrong with the coaches? You said that several times and you also admitted you are "loyal" to the coaches.

Turner has proven nothing in 2 years and JDR's defense took a massive step back last year. This is a fact. RR brought most of the same coaches who got fired with him in CAR here. The result has been 2 losing seasons.

If its NOT the coaches as you say, then it's the players fault. Who drafted and signed these players for the most part..RR. Either way, as the coach/GM, RR is accountable.

 

[deanpet21]

That is not true. Austin Hooper reportedly had similar offers from CLE and WSH and he chose CLE over us.

We actually offered Amari Cooper more money to come here but he chose DAL. You continue to think WSH is a preferred destination and it's not.

You are still talking about Wilson and bitter he didn't come here? Wilson didn't think so and thought DEN was a better fit. I know you find that bizarre but he is a top player and Super Bowl champion. I find it odd that you are offended he made the better choice by going to DEN.

Yes, we had a few players (TMac and Allen) resign here. Others will resign here and free agents will come and go. These players only have 32 places to work Dean. To some players, the front office and ownership are not an issue and to some it is. In the end, they want to make money like everyone else. Alex Smith said the entire organization (owner to coaches) is dysfunctional. Was he lying?

As pointed out before (and you agreed about Allen), Jackson, Samuel, and Allen signed before most of the recent team news broke. I do not know what your angle is as you admitted yesterday that Goodell was right and we had the worse culture in the NFL. You literally could not admit that there was a worse owner in pro sports. You then took a victory lap and said "football and Rivera" trump Snyder (or something like that). It is almost like you are proud of the dysfunction and enjoy seeing others ignore it like you. Am I wrong?

I heard Cle was the higher offer for Hooper. You are correct with Cooper. He wanted to stay with Dak. Im glad we didnt get him. lol. I never said we were a preferred destination but we are not on the black list of places to go. Not offended by Wilson not choosing us. Very possible Denver goes 0-6 in their division this year. NO Smith was not lying but you are missing the point. We are not black balled by FA coming here like you say we are. IM proud of the football culture here and good players want to come or resign here which was just proven.

 

[duke1861]

Dean can feel as he pleases. But again what players do is beside the point. It's what the fans are dong that is the point and their actions speak for itself.

I agree. I think the worst attendance in the NFL is a step forward for sure. We need to keep the pressure up IMO. Others do not feel that way obviously and want to keep things status quo.

 

[YankeeRebel]

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LOL No fan input didn't realize they were part owner. And I like the name myself

 

[deanpet21]

Dean can feel as he pleases. But again what players do is beside the point. It's what the fans are dong that is the point and their actions speak for itself.

You are right but the fans are leaving b/c of the constant losing. Sure Dan has something to do with it. The Ravens success has something to with it. I think the main reason is the losing. .

 

[deanpet21]

But you said there is nothing wrong with the coaches? You said that several times and you also admitted you are "loyal" to the coaches.

Turner has proven nothing in 2 years and JDR's defense took a massive step back last year. This is a fact. RR brought most of the same coaches who got fired with him in CAR here. The result has been 2 losing seasons.

If its NOT the coaches as you say, then it's the players fault. Who drafted and signed these players for the most part..RR. Either way, as the coach/GM, RR is accountable.

RR is accountable for Alex Smith breaking his leg, Haskins being a headcase, and Fitz getting a season ending injury in week 1? Keep dreaming.