F Dan Snyder

[deanpet21]

its not the redskins and it never will be , hence expansion team

IF its an expansion team the players would have to be all new and their not.

 

[skinsdad62]

IF its an expansion team the players would have to be all new and their not.

If you don’t understand what I am saying I can’t help you . It’s a new team with no link to the past . 5 yrs from now you might get it

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I agree with you that I want Dan removed but I'm not going to stop routing for my team b/c of Dan. I don't live in the area but if I did, I would go to a few games. even if they were a losing team. Its not about the ownership its about routing for my favorite team. Im not going to boycott being a fan of the team b/c of Dan.

I will never criticize a fan for sticking with his team. We're simply trying to explain that there's a whole lot of us out there who' simply don't feel the same way. You're right, with winning many will come back. But it will take a New England Patriots type run for me to even consider it and I'm not alone For dad it appears to be the name change, for me and many others it's all the rest that comes with Snyder I just can't do it anymore. When they win he wins and I just can't root for that.

As for the expansion team comment there is no definition that would describe the Commanders as an expansion team. They are no more an expansion team today than the Wizards were when they changed from the Bullets or when the Guardians change from the Indians.

 

[deanpet21]

If you don’t understand what I am saying I can’t help you . It’s a new team with no link to the past . 5 yrs from now you might get it

No link to the past but its the same players. Ok big guy.

 

[deanpet21]

I will never criticize a fan for sticking with his team. We're simply trying to explain that there's a whole lot of us out there who' simply don't feel the same way. You're right, with winning many will come back. But it will take a New England Patriots type run for me to even consider it and I'm not alone For dad it appears to be the name change, for me and many others it's all the rest that comes with Snyder I just can't do it anymore. When they win he wins and I just can't root for that.

As for the expansion team comment there is no definition that would describe the Commanders as an expansion team. They are no more an expansion team today than the Wizards were when they changed from the Bullets or when the Guardians change from the Indians.

I respect that. I just dont think its one in the same. You dont have to boycott the team if you hate Dan b/c the only loser becomes you and the fans. The name change was just a matter of time. Deep down inside you had to know it was coming. Sure I like Redskins but I know why it was changed and I actually like the name Commanders. It could of been a lot worst. I actually like the new helmets. The unis are going to take some time for me.

You are exactly right with the expansion team non-sense. Skinsdad doesnt get it. The Cleveland Guardians are not an expansion team just like we are not.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I respect that. I just dont think its one in the same. You dont have to boycott the team if you hate Dan b/c the only loser becomes you and the fans. The name change was just a matter of time. Deep down inside you had to know it was coming. Sure I like Redskins but I know why it was changed and I actually like the name Commanders. It could of been a lot worst. I actually like the new helmets. The unis are going to take some time for me.

You are exactly right with the expansion team non-sense. Skinsdad doesnt get it. The Cleveland Guardians are not an expansion team just like we are not.

And I respect your decision. For me the pull back started 3 years ago. After the Haskins fiasco I figured it was hopeless here, I'm a senior and I'm running out of time to see a winner. So I gravitated toward the Ravens. Though I don't think he will ever win a SB I like watching Lamar, I always respected the way they do it in Baltimore. Seeing the Maryland flag at midfield helped.

But then I got suckered back in with the Chase Young addition. Oh what the Hell, I'll get back on board. I soon tired of Chase Young. As the cameras were constantly on him as he ranted on the sidelines I thought "shouldn't he be making more plays to warrant all this hype?". By midseason last year it was clear to me that he is another Lavar, the performance is simply not matching the reputation.

And then the next scandal appeared It's just so distasteful to me to root for a Washington TD and to see those creatures celebrating in their box. Tanya is no different than Dan. A gardener said "good morning" to her and the next day the contractor was called and told fire him or they lose the contract.

Nope, I will never root for a Snyder owned team again. That's why I am following all of this closely. It's my only hope of reclaiming a team I have been rooting for passionately since 1972. I'll follow and even root for the Ravens but it will never be the same. If I hear that they voted him out, even if he fights he won't win and I will instantly get back on board. But I'm not counting on it.

Peace.

 

[deanpet21]

And I respect your decision. For me the pull back started 3 years ago. After the Haskins fiasco I figured it was hopeless here, I'm a senior and I'm running out of time to see a winner. So I gravitated toward the Ravens. Though I don't think he will ever win a SB I like watching Lamar, I always respected the way they do it in Baltimore. Seeing the Maryland flag at midfield helped.

But then I got suckered back in with the Chase Young addition. Oh what the Hell, I'll get back on board. I soon tired of Chase Young. As the cameras were constantly on him as he ranted on the sidelines I thought "shouldn't he be making more plays to warrant all this hype?". By midseason last year it was clear to me that he is another Lavar, the performance is simply not matching the reputation.

And then the next scandal appeared It's just so distasteful to me to root for a Washington TD and to see those creatures celebrating in their box. Tanya is no different than Dan. A gardener said "good morning" to her and the next day the contractor was called and told fire him or they lose the contract.

Nope, I will never root for a Snyder owned team again. That's why I am following all of this closely. It's my only hope of reclaiming a team I have been rooting for passionately since 1972. I'll follow and even root for the Ravens but it will never be the same. If I hear that they voted him out, even if he fights he won't win and I will instantly get back on board. But I'm not counting on it.

Peace.

I usually follow the team and not one player. Alot of Redskins fans went to the Ravens b/c of their success. The question is if the roles were flipped and the Redskins had the success and the Ravens had the constant losing seasons. Who will have the larger fan base?

 

[duke1861]

I usually follow the team and not one player. Alot of Redskins fans went to the Ravens b/c of their success. The question is if the roles were flipped and the Redskins had the success and the Ravens had the constant losing seasons. Who will have the larger fan base?

Or maybe the Skins fans got tired of not being able to defend the organization anymore?

 

[deanpet21]

Or maybe the Skins fans got tired of not being able to defend the organization anymore?

You are saying b/c you route for the team you are a Dan fan and that is totally false.

 

[duke1861]

I didn't say that. I said that one cannot defend the actions of the team to others. I cannot defend the actions of the front office to other fans period. You continue to separate the two and you cannot. The team and organization are one in the same. We have tried to explain that to you.

You only focus on what happens on the field. We are looking at the entire picture: the team on the field, ownership, and front office. They are all connected.

 

[deanpet21]

I didn't say that. I said that one cannot defend the actions of the team to others. I cannot defend the actions of the front office to other fans period. You continue to separate the two and you cannot. The team and organization are one in the same. We have tried to explain that to you.

You only focus on what happens on the field. We are looking at the entire picture: the team on the field, ownership, and front office. They are all connected.

Yo u are telling fans not to route for the Commanders b/c of Dan.

 

[duke1861]

Yo u are telling fans not to route for the Commanders b/c of Dan.

That is correct...until he sells the team or is forced out.

He is the owner of the team.

Just like any other local business. If I find out an owner is a terrible person, I choose not to support that business. Most people do that.

I am actually looking at switching to the Packers. I have been a fan since the early 80's and cannot continue to support this organization until real change occurs.

 

[deanpet21]

That is correct...until he sells the team or is forced out.

He is the owner of the team.

Just like any other local business. If I find out an owner is a terrible person, I choose not to support that business. Most people do that.

Thats nonsense.

 

[duke1861]

Thats nonsense.

How so.....

Because I have principles and ethics?

 

[deanpet21]

How so.....

Because I have principles and ethics?

nothing to do with football. you still ahve no answer on why allen and tmac resigned here if the organization is so toxic

 

[duke1861]

nothing to do with football.

Yet we have the lowest fan attendance in football and fans are leaving in waves. It's not just the wins and loses and you know that. Teams with worse records have higher attendance than we do.

You have spoken with several fans on here who are all considering leaving. If you were a salesman, what would be your pitch for keeping us?

How do you propose we fix the fanbase bleeding? Staying positive, keeping the faith?

You literally argue with everyone on here.

 

[deanpet21]

Yet we have the lowest fan attendance in football and fans are leaving in waves. It's not just the wins and loses and you know that. Teams with worse records have higher attendance than we do.

You have spoken with several fans on here who are all considering leaving. If you were a salesman, what would be your pitch for keeping us?

How do you propose we fix the fanbase bleeding? Staying positive, keeping the faith?

You literally argue with everyone on here.

you still have no answer on why allen and tmac resigned here if the organization is so toxic. fan vase bleeding is about winning and its very obvious. Most fans went to the Ravens b/c of it.

 

[duke1861]

ou still ahve no answer on why allen and tmac resigned here if the organization is so toxic

It's called money....

I am confused why they signed but I am not in their shoes. Same reason why MLB players signed with the Astros even though they cheated to win the WS. Money does wonders.

Our organization is toxic. How can you NOT admit that? Under oath..the NFL commissioner stated it was the most toxic he has "seen" in the NFL. Was Goodell lying?

Now you answer:
Are the Commanders the most toxic organization in the NFL?
Name another pro sports team with a worse owner?
Name another pro sports team who has a worse on-field/off-the-field situation?

 

[duke1861]

you still have no answer on why allen and tmac resigned here if the organization is so toxic. fan vase bleeding is about winning and its very obvious. Most fans went to the Ravens b/c of it.

Then why do we have the lowest attendance in the NFL even though MULTIPLE teams had worse records?

The NFL is a business and each team is part of that business.

 

[deanpet21]

It's called money....

I am confused why they signed but I am not in their shoes. Same reason why MLB players signed with the Astros even though they cheated to win the WS. Money does wonders.

Our organization is toxic. How can you NOT admit that? Under oath..the NFL commissioner stated it was the most toxic he has "seen" in the NFL. Was Goodell lying?

Now you answer:
Are the Commanders the most toxic organization in the NFL?
Name another pro sports team with a worse owner?
Name another pro sports team who has a worse on-field/off-the-field situation?

They would of gotten the same money or even more if they went elsewhere. They CHOSE to STAY here. Im not arguing that Dan is a bad owner but these two guys like what they see football wise with RR or they would have never resigned here. Fact!