Dynasties

[IPostedWhat]

But seriously, Fuck Dallas!

 

[Nasty_Magician]

Winning 2 of 3 and potentially 3 of 4 now to me is more impressive than winning 4 in a row back in the 70s/80s. With no cap you could assemble an all star team and have them locked in forever. Today, to be able to balance the youth before their pay increases with guys in their prime and vets that are still performing without letting the rest of the league gain ground on you is remarkable.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Winning 2 of 3 and potentially 3 of 4 now to me is more impressive than winning 4 in a row back in the 70s/80s. With no cap you could assemble an all star team and have them locked in forever. Today, to be able to balance the youth before their pay increases with guys in their prime and vets that are still performing without letting the rest of the league gain ground on you is remarkable.

I agree with this - there is more parity now than before when it comes to the cap and how teams are drafting

 

[esls79]

I agree with this - there is more parity now than before when it comes to the cap and how teams are drafting

parody > parity

 

[DragonfromTO]

Debbie Does Dallas >>> "Fuck Dallas!" >>> North Dallas Forty >>> Northern Lights >>> Peter North >>> Peter Forsberg >>> Peter Bondra >>> Agent 99 >>> Agent Dawn >>> Don Knotts >>> Knot's Berry Farm >>> Knots Landing >>> Dallas >>> Mighty Ducks >>> Duck Dynasty >>> Dynasty

 

[Abe Vigoda]

Winning 2 of 3 and potentially 3 of 4 now to me is more impressive than winning 4 in a row back in the 70s/80s. With no cap you could assemble an all star team and have them locked in forever. Today, to be able to balance the youth before their pay increases with guys in their prime and vets that are still performing without letting the rest of the league gain ground on you is remarkable.

To a degree, but you really are diminishing a guy like Torrey's ability (for example) to build a team as GM. He did it out on the Island and then turned around and gave the Panthers immediate success in a short few years.

Easier maybe due to the fact that players wanted to play to actually win and didn't whine about playing on a team, demand a trade or actually shoot for sky's the limit.

Besides, who the Fuck would have guessed Gaborik would've had the post season he had? Only a Rangers fan I guess.....

 

[Abe Vigoda]

The days of winning four straight Cups or 5 in 7 years are dead. Free agency, over-expansion and the salary cap have murdered the possibility of that ever happening again. In fact, it's been almost 20 years since a team won back-to-back Cups.

So the question is... should we...

• simply archive the word "dynasty" along with wooden sticks and helmetless players?
• evolve its meaning/criteria to fit today's NHL?
  • If we evolve it, what are the new criteria for being a dynasty?
    • Under that new criteria, do any teams since Gretzky's Oilers qualify?

To get back on subject, I don't know. Very cerebral question to ponder. I like it RP.

Things are def. cyclical. There are def. ebbs and flows, peaks and valleys over time for each organization. One thing I would add into the mix is team chemistry.

Age is catching up with me, but then how do you define teams like the Red Wings or Devils (90's - 2000's) who had very good success (maybe not winning it all) but being competitive consistently and always deep in the hunt in the playoffs?

Do you really think that stretch of Montreal-->Isles-->Edmonton was really due to the lack of a cap?

 

[DragonfromTO]

To get back on subject, I don't know. Very cerebral question to ponder. I like it RP.

Things are def. cyclical. There are def. ebbs and flows, peaks and valleys over time for each organization. One thing I would add into the mix is team chemistry.

Age is catching up with me, but then how do you define teams like the Red Wings or Devils (90's - 2000's) who had very good success (maybe not winning it all) but being competitive consistently and always deep in the hunt in the playoffs?

Do you really think that stretch of Montreal-->Isles-->Edmonton was really due to the lack of a cap?

That was definitely part of it. I mean, I don't think there's much chance you could keep those teams together nowadays. You could still stay consistently great if you could get good value trading some of the pieces along the way, but you have to take a chance every time you do something like that and you only have to whiff on one or two of them to knock your team down a big notch.

 

[dash]

Do you really think that stretch of Montreal-->Isles-->Edmonton was really due to the lack of a cap?

Excellent drafting and shrewd trades (Habs GM Sam Pollock sending Backstrom to the Kings in order for LA to finish ahead of the California Golden Seals and then selecting Lafleur with the Seals pick). In Torrey's case, getting Butch Goring from LA was a master stroke.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Excellent drafting and shrewd trades (Habs GM Sam Pollock sending Backstrom to the Kings in order for LA to finish ahead of the California Golden Seals and then selecting Lafleur with the Seals pick). In Torrey's case, getting Butch Goring from LA was a master stroke.

Apparently once he had the 1st overall Pollock briefly considered taking Marcel Dionne with the pick. Seems odd that he would go all out of get first overall when he had two guys roughly equal on his draft board.

He wouldn't have gone wrong with either guy though.

 

[dash]

Apparently once he had the 1st overall Pollock briefly considered taking Marcel Dionne with the pick. Seems odd that he would go all out of get first overall when he had two guys roughly equal on his draft board.

He wouldn't have gone wrong with either guy though.

No doubt Kenny, Marcel Dionne was a heck of a player that toiled in relative obscurity down in Los Angeles for the bulk of his career.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Oh sure, when I say "Fuck Toronto!", you practically shit out a baby from being so pissed about it, but when someone says "Fuck Dallas!", you applaud it.

Upon my arrival here, I was asked "complete this sentence: ____ Dallas!"

I figured it was like a motto here. I didn't wanna be the black sheep...

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Kill the cap.

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

Little Debbie Snack Cakes >>> Debbie Does Dallas >>> "Fuck Dallas!" >>> North Dallas Forty >>> Northern Lights >>> Peter North >>> Peter Forsberg >>> Peter Bondra >>> Agent 99 >>> Agent Dawn >>> Don Knotts >>> Knot's Berry Farm >>> Knots Landing >>> Dallas >>> Mighty Ducks >>> Duck Dynasty >>> Dynasty

 

[DragonfromTO]

Little Debbie Snack Cakes >>> Debbie Does Dallas >>> "Fuck Dallas!" >>> North Dallas Forty >>> Northern Lights >>> Peter North >>> Peter Forsberg >>> Peter Bondra >>> Agent 99 >>> Agent Dawn >>> Don Knotts >>> Knot's Berry Farm >>> Knots Landing >>> Dallas >>> Mighty Ducks >>> Duck Dynasty >>> Dynasty

"Grab Them Cakes" >>> Little Debbie Snack Cakes >>> Debbie Does Dallas >>> "Fuck Dallas!" >>> North Dallas Forty >>> Northern Lights >>> Peter North >>> Peter Forsberg >>> Peter Bondra >>> Agent 99 >>> Agent Dawn >>> Don Knotts >>> Knot's Berry Farm >>> Knots Landing >>> Dallas >>> Mighty Ducks >>> Duck Dynasty >>> Dynasty

 

[pixburgher66]

3 in 5 years is my rule. 2 is pretty tough these days, but 3 within, heck even 6-8 years, is so incredibly tough to do.

 

[Abe Vigoda]

That was definitely part of it. I mean, I don't think there's much chance you could keep those teams together nowadays. You could still stay consistently great if you could get good value trading some of the pieces along the way, but you have to take a chance every time you do something like that and you only have to whiff on one or two of them to knock your team down a big notch.

Put that is what my point is; good GM'ing is the way to a dynasty. I agree. With expansion has come the diluted talent pool, and in addition bad GM'ing; just look at the Rangers for example. Some GM's are absolutely horrible around the league; or aren't half bad but along the way make some really head scratching moves. For example, Sather goes out for YEARS throwing big $ at every sexy (not productive) FA on the market and it lead to nothing. Suddenly he delves into this area of the market where he low balls guys and offers one year deals and tacks them on as additions; and suddenly its a stroke of luck and he thinks he's a genius. But prior to that, how many bad draft picks; bad FA signings and complete busts have come through before reaching the Cup finals?

 

[Abe Vigoda]

Put that is what my point is; good GM'ing is the way to a dynasty. I agree. With expansion has come the diluted talent pool, and in addition bad GM'ing; just look at the Rangers for example. Some GM's are absolutely horrible around the league; or aren't half bad but along the way make some really head scratching moves. For example, Sather goes out for YEARS throwing big $ at every sexy (not productive) FA on the market and it lead to nothing. Suddenly he delves into this area of the market where he low balls guys and offers one year deals and tacks them on as additions; and suddenly its a stroke of luck and he thinks he's a genius. But prior to that, how many bad draft picks; bad FA signings and complete busts have come through before reaching the Cup finals?

And Luck. Luck whether it be with player health or just dumb fucking luck.Look at Gaborik during last years run through the play-offs. Holy shit he buried a goal from in front of the net!!!!! He never went to the net in his entire career. You could've put a mountain of cocaine and a naked Czech model in the crease and he would NOT have drove the net.....but of course last year he starts potting goals left and right and going to the net!

 

[Hank Kingsley]

Kill the cap.

Testify.

 

[dash]

Kill the cap.

Testify.

Well, we'd have to kill Bettman first (or wait for him to leave office). Trouble is, Daly would likely be his replacement and he's not going to get rid of the cap either.