DROY so far

[spacedoodoopistol]

Actually my guess is they have that All-22 or whatever it is that gives a person the coaches view and allows people to watch multiple angles of games. My guess is they wouldn't just guess how a player did on a certain play.

That's true, I suppose they probably do evaluate from all-22 footage these days. But for years they did it *without* all-22, because it wasn't available until what, last year? Weren't quite guessing.....they just didn't have a lot of evidence of DB play to rank by.

EDIT: I just thought of something, considering how fast their rankings come out, is it even possible they're using all-22? Doesn't that take a few days to become available to subscribers?

 

[Stevein2012]

Right now you pretty much have to go with Kiko.

 

[Clayton]

The problem with PFF is that they take everything into account. So you get a look at who is bringing the most to the table on all fronts (and it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was Sheldon Richardson) but it doesn't factor into things like positional value, leadership skills, timing or formation. A guy like Jared Cook could have a monster day in the passing game but they would give him bad marks if he didn't block. That can be good for a metric but maybe a bit misleading, too

 

[SonnyCID]

It probably is Reid or Kiko, because they have the numbers and highlight plays.

But the best defensive player that has provided the biggest impact to his team is Star Lotulelei.

 

[Clayton]

But the best defensive player that has provided the biggest impact to his team is Star Lotulelei.

I should definitely add him to the 'in contention' list. He had no business dropping in the draft

 

[Nyfan1980]

It probably is Reid or Kiko, because they have the numbers and highlight plays.

But the best defensive player that has provided the biggest impact to his team is Star Lotulelei.

How do you know that? Have you watched every rookie defensive player? Because Sheldon Richardson has helped transform a weak run defense into the leagues best run defense so far this season and has had a impact with helping a weak pass rush into a formable one.

Its hard to believe that Star has been playing better and had a bigger impact, just because of how well Sheldon has played.

 

[Clayton]

Rams could had Sheldon Richardson/Star Lot and a RB like Eddie Lacy instead of drafting Tavon Austin.

Sigh. Too soon but man...

 

[SonnyCID]

Rams could had Sheldon Richardson/Star Lot and a RB like Eddie Lacy instead of drafting Tavon Austin.

Sigh. Too soon but man...

I rolled my eyes at that pick when they made it. You dont draft for speed when you have so many other needs. I guess the pick of Brockers last year would influence them to stay away from a DT.

 

[SonnyCID]

How do you know that? Have you watched every rookie defensive player? Because Sheldon Richardson has helped transform a weak run defense into the leagues best run defense so far this season and has had a impact with helping a weak pass rush into a formable one.

Its hard to believe that Star has been playing better and had a bigger impact, just because of how well Sheldon has played.

OK fine, I have watched every single snap from every single rookie defensive player and have come to the conclusion that Richardson is certainly the best defensive rookie in the league. Happy?

 

[cdumler7]

That's true, I suppose they probably do evaluate from all-22 footage these days. But for years they did it *without* all-22, because it wasn't available until what, last year? Weren't quite guessing.....they just didn't have a lot of evidence of DB play to rank by.

EDIT: I just thought of something, considering how fast their rankings come out, is it even possible they're using all-22? Doesn't that take a few days to become available to subscribers?

If I were you I would just go read their break down of how they get the grades that they do. They actually only have 3 analyst watching film and on a given week if there are 16 games it takes about 250 hours of watching game film to come up with what they do so they are very strict in how they go about this system to keep as much subjective thought out of the picture.

 

[cdumler7]

How do you know that? Have you watched every rookie defensive player? Because Sheldon Richardson has helped transform a weak run defense into the leagues best run defense so far this season and has had a impact with helping a weak pass rush into a formable one.

Its hard to believe that Star has been playing better and had a bigger impact, just because of how well Sheldon has played.

Have you watched Star play every snap though? I understand you like your guy and with good reason but both are playing at a high level and have their defenses playing pretty darn well up to this point in the season.

 

[spacedoodoopistol]

If I were you I would just go read their break down of how they get the grades that they do. They actually only have 3 analyst watching film and on a given week if there are 16 games it takes about 250 hours of watching game film to come up with what they do so they are very strict in how they go about this system to keep as much subjective thought out of the picture.

Yes, which is why I like the site. Doesn't change the fact that its hard to see what the DBs are doing, or supposed to do, from TV angles on many plays.

 

[Clayton]

I rolled my eyes at that pick when they made it. You dont draft for speed when you have so many other needs. I guess the pick of Brockers last year would influence them to stay away from a DT.

The Jags trading up to take Blackmon the year before set the whole thing in motion, really.

The way the Rams are set up, either Cook, Quick or Tavon is going to get left out of the mix most of the time. In a way, the competition is a good thing but you really want your top 10 pick to come out on top.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

You can always argue stats, position and intangibles but the fact is and history shows that position and stats seem to steer the voting. Seems like a very good offensive player will win out over a very good defensive player. Also under intangibles is how many times a player is on national TV giving a player on a good team an edge. There are many variables involved but my pick is Alonzo based on what I've seen and his stats.

JMO guy's.

 

[cdumler7]

Yes, which is why I like the site. Doesn't change the fact that its hard to see what the DBs are doing, or supposed to do, from TV angles on many plays.

I agree...And they admit that there is some room for error in what they are doing but I do like that they break down a better picture of the overall impact that each player makes. Every stat is always going to be a little misleading in the full impact that it had on the game but these guys are some of the few that I think do a good job of truly looking at each individual player on every play and trying to figure out the exact impact even if they did not have the ball in how good or bad they did on that play. More than anything I feel like they do a good job with the DL/OL grading. All of these guys that are not big time sack guys don't get the recognition that they maybe should. They don't put up the sexy numbers that everybody loves to drool over but they impact the game sometimes just as much with what they do.

 

[Clayton]

I'm guessing that based on the Bills d being better on a lot of fronts that Marcell Dareus is finally starting to pay off. I honestly haven't seen a Bills game this year but having a LB and DE go off probably means that the interior dline is doing well

 

[BOSSMANPC]

I'm guessing that based on the Bills d being better on a lot of fronts that Marcell Dareus is finally starting to pay off. I honestly haven't seen a Bills game this year but having a LB and DE go off probably means that the interior dline is doing well

Dareus has played much better, they had some serious problems with injuries in the secondary but some of the guy's are starting to return. A good pass rush will cover a lot of weaknesses in the secondary. The Bills are tied for first in sacks with 10 and tied with the same teams for first in int's. You pressure the QB and they make mistakes. I have always been a believer in the game is won at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.

 

[SonnyCID]

The Jags trading up to take Blackmon the year before set the whole thing in motion, really.

The way the Rams are set up, either Cook, Quick or Tavon is going to get left out of the mix most of the time. In a way, the competition is a good thing but you really want your top 10 pick to come out on top.

Blackmon would have made more sense as a "reach" than Austin. IMO, at best he's a Darren Sproles role player type. Which is a great thing that most teams would die for but in order for him to truly contribute towards Ws you need a lot of other pieces in place. Physicality should come first, then game breaking plays.

 

[Nyfan1980]

Have you watched Star play every snap though? I understand you like your guy and with good reason but both are playing at a high level and have their defenses playing pretty darn well up to this point in the season.

I never said I did, nor have I claimed that Richardson has been the best and had the biggest impact. Its just hard for me to believe Star is really the best and has had the biggest impact after watching how great Richardson has been.

 

[Nyfan1980]

Rams could had Sheldon Richardson/Star Lot and a RB like Eddie Lacy instead of drafting Tavon Austin.

Sigh. Too soon but man...

Serves you guys for jumping over the Jets and getting Tavon. I felt bad for Tavon to get drafted by a team with brian Schottenheimer as the OC. I think Tavon would have been better suited in Marty's system and could of had Geno Smith throwing him the ball again.