Does Vegas influence our favorite past time?

[TDs3nOut]

It doesn't happen the way people think it does. Major gambling organisations don't want events tampered with. The lower an event's integrity, the lower the amount of money is wagered, and the lower the gambling profit is. Most 'fixes' are orchestrated by individuals and syndicates to defraud legitimate gambling organisations...not the other way around.

That makes sense to me. I wonder what happened to the volume of betting on NBA games at sportsbooks in response to the Donaghy scandal several years ago. I suspect it took a hit.

Also seems that the leagues have a pretty strong incentive to ensure that refs don't fix games. Seems that the NBA lost a lot credibility with many fans over that scandal. Have to imagine that that also reduced the profitability of the league.

 

[63bears40]

@ Majorpackerfan: That picture doesn't show anything.
A video from that angle might help your case.
The Bear can be simply pushing off, while the GB player leaning to get in front of said Bear.
Believe the holding call was charged to 21 Corey Graham. And he was @ the other end of the field w/ Knox.

 

[63bears40]

This is a subject that I find kind of interesting, so I gave it a bit more thought and realized that there is certainly a possibility that the bookmakers could wind up in a position where they would have an incentive to try and use refs to fix the outcome of a game. In the Denver at NE example above, for instance, suppose that by kickoff the amount of money bet on NE is far greater than the amount bet on Denver, despite efforts to elicit equal money bet on both teams. Clearly, in such a scenario, the bookmakers would then have an incentive to fix the outcome in such a way that Denver covers the spread.
Does that ever happen? Like I wrote above, it probably has. Is it common? I don't know.

Thank you.
I don't know for sure that it happens. But I'm pretty convinced it does.
I should have worded the title a little differently. I guess just about any one w/ money can fix a game. If he can find a willing Ref.

 

[SonnyCID]

Where there's money, there's corruption.

 

[cezero]

yes.

also Zeus and Hephaestus.

and Odin.

 

[MajorPackersFan]

@ Majorpackerfan: That picture doesn't show anything.
A video from that angle might help your case.
The Bear can be simply pushing off, while the GB player leaning to get in front of said Bear.
Believe the holding call was charged to 21 Corey Graham. And he was @ the other end of the field w/ Knox.

Fair enough. How about watching your video again? It happens very early at the 4 second mark, and right underneath the "4th & 4" graphic in the upper left side of the screen. Bush's shoulder dips considerably after Graham grabs it.

 

[SFNL]

Lets take last night's game for instance here... The line opened at NO -7.5 then went up to 9.5

The general rule is that the line moves 1pt for every 1 million dollars bet one way or another to offset vegas' exposure. This means that most likely, every vegas book won at least 2 million on that game last night.

 

[molsaniceman]

Thank you.
I don't know for sure that it happens. But I'm pretty convinced it does.
I should have worded the title a little differently. I guess just about any one w/ money can fix a game. If he can find a willing Ref.

So if they are rigged shouldnt u

1--- bet the team with least money on it and make millions

2-- not watch since its all rigged anyways

So far this week Vegas up 4-3 on college and nfl games played

 

[Saturnmane]

Since when is football our nations pastime? Football will never qualify and a moment of meditation into the word "pastime" will tell u why. How much time can u pass by watching NFL? Not much since its a part-time sport.

 

[TDs3nOut]

Lets take last night's game for instance here... The line opened at NO -7.5 then went up to 9.5

The general rule is that the line moves 1pt for every 1 million dollars bet one way or another to offset vegas' exposure. This means that most likely, every vegas book won at least 2 million on that game last night.

Interesting. I'd never heard that before. As it applies to last night's game, then, the change in the line from NO -7.5 to NO -9.5 presumably attracted an additional $2 million in bets on Atlanta to cover. Since Atlanta did in fact cover, doesn't that mean that this change in the line actually ended up costing Vegas $2 million?

 

[63bears40]

So if they are rigged shouldnt u

1--- bet the team with least money on it and make millions

2-- not watch since its all rigged anyways

So far this week Vegas up 4-3 on college and nfl games played

1- I haven't placed a real money bet in over 25 yrs.
2- Can't help myself love football. And never said they are all rigged.
The object of this post was to see how many fans feel the way I do, that SOME Refs are being paid to call a game in, I said Vegas, but could be just about any bookies favor.

 

[63bears40]

Since when is football our nations pastime? Football will never qualify and a moment of meditation into the word "pastime" will tell u why. How much time can u pass by watching NFL? Not much since its a part-time sport.

I and I suspect many others, follow it year round. From FA to the draft to the mini camps & preseason.
Just think you think the Major Baseball Steroid League is our nations pastime.
Oh, and this is the football forum.

 

[63bears40]

Fair enough. How about watching your video again? It happens very early at the 4 second mark, and right underneath the "4th & 4" graphic in the upper left side of the screen. Bush's shoulder dips considerably after Graham grabs it.

As stated earlier Graham was on the other end of the field w/ Knox. So how could he be the player you are claiming caused the foul? Watched it few times more (lol 1 of my favorite plays vs you guys). And just being honest, nothing can be determined by the Video either. As they (Fox) change camera views, as your so called penalty evolves.

 

[TDs3nOut]

So far this week Vegas up 4-3 on college and nfl games played

I don't get statements like this, though I've heard people say things like this a number of times. Without knowing how much is bet on each team in a game -- and how can one know that? -- how can one say whether the bookmakers won or lost on that game?

 

[molsaniceman]

Guess they couldnt find any refs to buy in super bowl XLII dammit

The Patriots were also involved in the books’ biggest Super Bowl loss. The New York Giants’ upset of the Patriots in Super Bowl XLII cost books $2.5 million

In the game between chi/gb vegas probably lost money due to GB covering the spread
Gb was favored by 5 plus the under hit @ 45 so vegas won that As for the penalty maybe the ref just called the wrong number

Problem is their are too many bets rigging can influence. You have the spread moneyline and O/U plus thousands of prop bets

The books’ biggest Super Bowl win came in Super Bowl XXXIX. Nevada shops raked in $15.4 million, when the Eagles covered the spread in a 24-21 loss to the Patriots.

 

[SFNL]

Interesting. I'd never heard that before. As it applies to last night's game, then, the change in the line from NO -7.5 to NO -9.5 presumably attracted an additional $2 million in bets on Atlanta to cover. Since Atlanta did in fact cover, doesn't that mean that this change in the line actually ended up costing Vegas $2 million?

No.. It means that everyone was betting on NO to cover the 7.5, then they raised it to discourage more people to bet on NO. It most likely moved to 8.5 but people still bet on NO, so it moved to 9.5. Because the line moved 2 points in favor of NO covering the spread, its fair to assume that Vegas killed that game.

Think of it this way. If everyone was betting on Atlanta, why would vegas want to continue to encourage them to do so?

 

[molsaniceman]

I don't get statements like this, though I've heard people say things like this a number of times. Without knowing how much is bet on each team in a game -- and how can one know that? -- how can one say whether the bookmakers won or lost on that game?

last nights navy/SJst game 56% on spread (1) for navy 66% on moneyline and 73% on the over(61)

navy won 58-52 betters won betters won betters won

so this was loss for vegas

So that makes it 4-4 right where vegas wants it

 

[TDs3nOut]

No.. It means that everyone was betting on NO to cover the 7.5, then they raised it to discourage more people to bet on NO. It most likely moved to 8.5 but people still bet on NO, so it moved to 9.5. Because the line moved 2 points in favor of NO covering the spread, its fair to assume that Vegas killed that game.

Think of it this way. If everyone was betting on Atlanta, why would vegas want to continue to encourage them to do so?

When Vegas changed the line from NO -7.5 to NO -9.5 it clearly made betting on Atlanta more attractive, since bets on Atlanta were then Atlanta +9.5, rather than the previous Atlanta +7.5. If, as according to the rule of thumb that you previously posted, each additional one-point change in the line to favor a team attracts an additional $1 million bet on that team, then this two-point change in the line should have attracted an additional $2 million bet on Atlanta. Since Atlanta covered the spread, this line change (given that your "rule of thumb" is correct) clearly cost Vegas $2 million.

How Vegas ended up coming out on the game would then depend on how much was bet on each team prior to the line change. You are right that the change from NO -7.5 to NO -9.5 implies that more was bet on NO than Atlanta prior to the line change. How much more, though, isn't known by the general public, but your "rule of thumb" suggests that it was about $2 million.

 

[TDs3nOut]

last nights navy/SJst game 56% on spread (1) for navy 66% on moneyline and 73% on the over(61)

navy won 58-52 betters won betters won betters won

so this was loss for vegas

So that makes it 4-4 right where vegas wants it

So the percentages of total bets that are bet on each team are public record?

 

[molsaniceman]

So the percentages of total bets that are bet on each team are public record?

yes

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/matchups/

But the problem is its not all of vegas so saying vegas won or lost is foolish since there are millions of bookies in the world
Which is why i doubt games are fixed
The example the Op uses is the 3rd game of the season and the info for the bets are gone so who knows who vegas wanted to win