does Rodgers belong?

[cubzzzfanincali]

I was just looking at this list:

Top 10 Green Bay Packers of All Time - NFL - Sporting News

When I saw Rodgers at #10, I thought....really? He's a great QB, but he's only got 6 years and only one Super Bowl in the books. Maybe someday you'd call him Top 10, but today?? They are leaving a lot of guys with bigger legacies off that list. I would have at least put Kramer, Gregg, Willie Davis, maybe James Lofton, maybe Willie Wood before Rodgers.

The reason I bring this up is that this seems to be just indulging the premature ejaculation over Rodgers he often seems to get too often. He's a great QB, but until he actually wins another Super Bowl or two, he will have not lived up to his potential. What if he goes down with some horrible injury this year (no, I don't want to see that, but it could always happen)? Is he really an All Time Great yet?

 

[nebearsfan70]

I would say yes. He took them to the SB, won the damn thing and every year, despite the decline in talent, he makes them dangerous. His career isn't over but he has shown a lot.

 

[richig07]

Perhaps it is premature, and already banking on the fact that Rodgers will continue at this rate of play for another 5-10 years (however long he plays). Although, I really don't mind anyone saying that. Rodgers has been pretty unbelievable. Arguably the best QB I've watched in my lifetime.

IMO, a better question, would be is Brees a HOF'er? He's had some phenomenal seasons, and obviously is a hero in New Orleans after leading them to a Super Bowl with the aftermath of Katrina still looming. That hype alone may be big enough to get him in. However, he's also had some rather down seasons in NO, and a few poor playoff showings at that throughout his career. Was he ever the best QB in football? With how Manning and Brady played, along with Rodgers coming in for the latter portion of his career. I truly do not know. However, I think he'll get in. He may be the most universally liked QB in football.

 

[dyhard]

as a Packers' fan, I have no doubt in my mind that he should be #10. yes, it's a little early, but what he's already shown in his career is worthy enough of him in that slot. I've already heard plenty of Packers' fans put him as a better QB than Favre career wise. while I wouldn't move him past Favre so quick, I do think that when Rodgers career is over, he will be ahead of Favre easily and probably top 3 in Packers' history

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

Perhaps it is premature, and already banking on the fact that Rodgers will continue at this rate of play for another 5-10 years (however long he plays). Although, I really don't mind anyone saying that. Rodgers has been pretty unbelievable. Arguably the best QB I've watched in my lifetime.

IMO, a better question, would be is Brees a HOF'er? He's had some phenomenal seasons, and obviously is a hero in New Orleans after leading them to a Super Bowl with the aftermath of Katrina still looming. That hype alone may be big enough to get him in. However, he's also had some rather down seasons in NO, and a few poor playoff showings at that throughout his career. Was he ever the best QB in football? With how Manning and Brady played, along with Rodgers coming in for the latter portion of his career. I truly do not know. However, I think he'll get in. He may be the most universally liked QB in football.

Brees is 4th all time in TDs (and may pass Marino into third). He's 5th all time in passing yards (and will defintely pass at least Elway). Even though the current pass-friendly era is the pass-friendly era, I find it extremely hard to imagine he will not be a first ballot Hall of Famer.

 

[richig07]

Brees is 4th all time in TDs (and may pass Marino into third). He's 5th all time in passing yards (and will defintely pass at least Elway). Even though the current pass-friendly era is the pass-friendly era, I find it extremely hard to imagine he will not be a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Fair enough. However, like you said; those numbers don't compare very evenly to the eras those other QB's played in. I believe I made a post a while ago on the ESPN boards demonstrating how absurd QB numbers are now. If you look at the top 40 QB ratings of all-time. Something like 30 of them have played in the last decade, and the majority are active. Including guys like Josh Freeman, and other absolutely irrelevant QB's.

I know QB rating is a terrible stat to look at, and may favor current QB's far more than TD's do. But still… there was a time about roughly 30 years ago when simply throwing more TD's than INT's meant you had a pretty good year.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

as a Packers' fan, I have no doubt in my mind that he should be #10. yes, it's a little early, but what he's already shown in his career is worthy enough of him in that slot. I've already heard plenty of Packers' fans put him as a better QB than Favre career wise. while I wouldn't move him past Favre so quick, I do think that when Rodgers career is over, he will be ahead of Favre easily and probably top 3 in Packers' history

at the rate he is going, sure. He keeps this up and he will be in the mix for best of all time. However, pretend for a second he gets seriously injured this year and basically stops accruing a legacy. Six years is awfully short.

Anyway, I can see how opinions can vary, but one of my Packers buddy called it "stupid" that Rodgers was yet in the Top 10. Of course he's old-fashioned and nostalgic and thinks the whole league now are a bunch of babies, so there you go.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

10? I can't think of one Packer who has been better. Burt was nothing. AR should be top 3 right now and a clear No.1 at the end.

 

[richig07]

10? I can't think of one Packer who has been better. Burt was nothing. AR should be top 3 right now and a clear No.1 at the end.

Is it just me… or have all of (or at least the majority) of your opinions done a complete 180 degree turnaround in just this past off-season?

I don't mind. It's just weird is all. I always liked your posts, but one of those reasons was actually that you were always a voice of optimism, and if anything even a pretty big homer at times. You used to say you wouldn't take Rodgers over Cutler just a couple of years ago. Citing the reason being that Cutler has never had a supporting cast, and if they switched places they'd also have swapped career paths. Now, it's like someone else took over your account. lol. Not upset about it. Just curious, is all.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

maybe the real Noon has been kidnapped and is being held in the deep basement of Lambeau Field?

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

Is it just me… or have all of (or at least the majority) of your opinions done a complete 180 degree turnaround in just this past off-season?

I don't mind. It's just weird is all. I always liked your posts, but one of those reasons was actually that you were always a voice of optimism, and if anything even a pretty big homer at times. You used to say you wouldn't take Rodgers over Cutler just a couple of years ago. Citing the reason being that Cutler has never had a supporting cast, and if they switched places they'd also have swapped career paths. Now, it's like someone else took over your account. lol. Not upset about it. Just curious, is all.

The doc changed my meds.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

Honestly I think I'm just burned out. Losing our starting QB three years in a row, when we were just starting to jell on offense has jaded me. I feel like our window is opening and Jay won't be able to play a whole year and it will kill me yet again. So I'm staying away from the opty juice this year.

 

[whywork2]

10? I can't think of one Packer who has been better. Burt was nothing. AR should be top 3 right now and a clear No.1 at the end.

exactly

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

maybe the real Noon has been kidnapped and is being held in the deep basement of Lambeau Field?

I've been to lake Erie 4 times this month and have 2 walleye, 11 billion white bass and 400 shad to show for it. And yet no 54 mil dollar contract has been offered. This would piss anyone off.

 

[richig07]

Honestly I think I'm just burned out. Losing our starting QB three years in a row, when we were just starting to jell on offense has jaded me. I feel like our window is opening and Jay won't be able to play a whole year and it will kill me yet again. So I'm staying away from the opty juice this year.

Well… maybe that's the change we needed. Cutler's body thanks you. lol

 

[Peter Gozintite]

As much as i hate him and his gay **** stache, the dude is a fucking field general. He makes his entire offense, and hell team, better. The Packers are a force when he is in there, and i dont know that any other player in the league has as much of an impact on an entire team as he does. I know listening to sportsbook line makers here on the radio, last year when he went out, they all said that they have never changed the point spread as much for any one player as they did when he was hurt.
I hope he gets hit by bus, but the dude is one of the best of this generation.
Sure if you want to act like super bowl wins is the only measure of the quality of player, you can argue he isnt that high, but in my pissed off opinion, he is the best in the game right now.

 

[blh7068]

As much as i hate him and his gay **** stache, the dude is a fucking field general. He makes his entire offense, and hell team, better. The Packers are a force when he is in there, and i dont know that any other player in the league has as much of an impact on an entire team as he does. I know listening to sportsbook line makers here on the radio, last year when he went out, they all said that they have never changed the point spread as much for any one player as they did when he was hurt.
I hope he gets hit by bus, but the dude is one of the best of this generation.
Sure if you want to act like super bowl wins is the only measure of the quality of player, you can argue he isnt that high, but in my pissed off opinion, he is the best in the game right now.

Buried in the hate is an objective post concerning ARs abilities, lol. Agree 100%. Well said.

The 15-1 season stands out in my mind. That was all AR and the receiving targets. Aside from the turnovers their defense forced, it really wasnt good. They didnt defend the pass well at all, and they gave up big play after big play. AR doesnt make mistakes- IIRC he has the lowest interception rate in league history at 1.8%.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

I've been to lake Erie 4 times this month and have 2 walleye, 11 billion white bass and 400 shad to show for it. And yet no 54 mil dollar contract has been offered. This would piss anyone off.

wow, you have caught like .00000001% of the population of white bass in Lake Erie all by yourself. Impressive!

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

wow, you have caught like .00000001% of the population of white bass in Lake Erie all by yourself. Impressive!

Sounds like you have been to lake Erie. It's still the best walleye and small mouth fishery in the world. I'm just having a off year so far. I can't even name my new boat until I break out of this slump.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

only fished it once years ago but crushed the walleyes. I even got a certificate from the state of Ohio for the large one, I think it was like 34" if memory serves. It was fun but to me floating on a huge vast lake just isn't the same as hunting for them on reefs and points in nooks and crannies of Canadian lakes.

But I have buddies who still go there, they love it, but they've told me of all the white bass.