Do we want Manning to return?

[randymon]

I for one and from what most have posted, don`t "want" to see Manning gone. I think most are afraid of which Manning are we going to see come crunch time in 2015? I certainly am sceptical now as to his longevity and effectiveness when it matters most. Sure, if your content with another AFC Championship then your prob going to get want you want again. I know it`s a catch 22 and there`s absolutly nothing wrong with just rolling the dice with Manning and you adjust accordingly. I think it`s ok to be worried about his health. I don`t think anybody questions his ability and still strong skills on this board. It`s just his health moving forward. Maybe you tell Manning were going to work Oz in more often to not only give him needed rest but also to give, and I imagine it`s still Elways game plan, Oz the expierience and realtime reps he needs if he is going to be Mannings successor. Prob is, can you get Manning to release the reins from time to time. I know one thing though, it`s going to be verdy verdy intrestink

 

[notorious98]

Hey guys, Charger fan here. Obviously I'd love to see Manning hang it up. But I'm curious, do you guys think seeing Brady hoist a trophy in two weeks and a 4th ring would weigh on his decision? I get the idea he doesn't want to go down as the 2nd best QB of his time.

No. No matter what, Manning will never catch Brady in rings. I don't think I'm going out on a limb when I say that Manning does not have 2 Super Bowl runs in him, let alone 3. Besides, Brady is still not Montana. Neither is Peyton. And, to be honest, I question whether or not Brady and Peyton are even Elway.

 

[boltfan72]

No. No matter what, Manning will never catch Brady in rings. I don't think I'm going out on a limb when I say that Manning does not have 2 Super Bowl runs in him, let alone 3. Besides, Brady is still not Montana. Neither is Peyton. And, to be honest, I question whether or not Brady and Peyton are even Elway.

A few good responses guys, thanks. I know the guy is very competitive, and he has a lot of records, but every time his name comes up people will remember 11-13 in the playoffs, 9 one-and-dones. It sucks, because it is a team game. You can't blame him for what Moore did against the Ravens.

Perhaps Brady with 4 rings isn't a driving force. Perhaps if he comes back it'll be because his shitbag brother who doesn't have a tenth of his talent has two rings.

 

[Broncosr0k]

Perhaps Brady with 4 rings isn't a driving force. Perhaps if he comes back it'll be because his shitbag brother who doesn't have a tenth of his talent has two rings.

Could be. I heard all the Manning brothers are very competitive with each other.

 

[WalkerBoh]

A few good responses guys, thanks. I know the guy is very competitive, and he has a lot of records, but every time his name comes up people will remember 11-13 in the playoffs, 9 one-and-dones. It sucks, because it is a team game. You can't blame him for what Moore did against the Ravens.

Perhaps Brady with 4 rings isn't a driving force. Perhaps if he comes back it'll be because his shitbag brother who doesn't have a tenth of his talent has two rings.

So why doesn't Marino catch similar flack? He went 8-10 in the playoffs, and never won the SB.

 

[Broncosr0k]

So why doesn't Marino catch similar flack? He went 8-10 in the playoffs, and never won the SB.

Pats fans did not have this inane desire to make Brady the unequivocal GOAT back in the day. I am too young to remember but is the greatest talk a new phenomenon or have people been doing it for decades?

 

[notorious98]

A few good responses guys, thanks. I know the guy is very competitive, and he has a lot of records, but every time his name comes up people will remember 11-13 in the playoffs, 9 one-and-dones. It sucks, because it is a team game. You can't blame him for what Moore did against the Ravens.

Perhaps Brady with 4 rings isn't a driving force. Perhaps if he comes back it'll be because his shitbag brother who doesn't have a tenth of his talent has two rings.

No. But you can, however, blame him for the pick he threw in OT. Regardless of that, my problem with people who talk about that game is that they seem to forget that the guy was still recovering from 4 neck surgeries. And I've heard a lot of people talk about how the cold affected them after they had similar neck surgery as well. As if Manning needed more issues with playing in the cold.

I think the biggest issue people have with Manning is that he has been able to market himself so well and put up video game numbers. People seem to forget that only 12 QBs in NFL history have gone to 3 or more Super Bowls. And to have 9 one and dones means you were able to actually make the playoffs and put your team in the position to win games.

People also seem to forget some of the games he lost. Like in the 2008 playoffs. When Peyton left the field for the final time (aside from getting the ball back with 8 seconds in regulation), his team had the lead 17-14 in San Diego. The Chargers drove and kicked a field goal. Then the Chargers won the coin toss in OT and scored a TD on that possession. The same thing goes for the game against the Jets in the 2010 playoffs. Manning walked off the field for the final time with the lead 16-14. The Jets drove down the field and won on a last second field goal. That was also the same Jets team that walked into Gillette the next week and laid the smack down on the Patriots. The game in 2005 against the Steelers, Manning put the Colts in a position to tie the game with a 46 yard field goal that Vanderjagt missed. Not saying they would have won, but the game would have almost certainly gone into OT. Even in the 2000 playoffs against the Dolphins. Peyton walks off the field with 5 minutes left in regulation with a 7 point lead. The Dolphins drive down and score a TD at the end of regulation. Peyton drives the Colts into field goal position in OT and Vanderjagt misses. Granted, it was a 49 yard field goal so it wasn't easy. It was also a 4th and 1 at the Miami 31, so maybe they should have gone for it, but that's a coaching decision. Either way, Manning had the Colts in position to win that game as well.

The issue is that Manning gets into the playoffs and the team doesn't put up video game numbers. But how often has a Brady-led team put up video game numbers? The difference is that his team had a defense that could actually come up with a stop when it needed to the most.

 

[notorious98]

Pats fans did not have this inane desire to make Brady the unequivocal GOAT back in the day. I am too young to remember but is the greatest talk a new phenomenon or have people been doing it for decades?

They were probably doing it back then, but there was no internet and cable was a smaller entity. ESPN wasn't what it is today and the NFL, as a whole, didn't have the popularity it does now.

So it may have been talked about, but it wasn't so widespread and the ability to share ideas with numerous other people across the globe wasn't there. The only opinions we knew about were the opinions of local writers and the pre-game guys. And those guys don't typically talk about "who's best".

 

[HOF-ELWAY-7]

No. But you can, however, blame him for the pick he threw in OT. Regardless of that, my problem with people who talk about that game is that they seem to forget that the guy was still recovering from 4 neck surgeries. And I've heard a lot of people talk about how the cold affected them after they had similar neck surgery as well. As if Manning needed more issues with playing in the cold.

I think the biggest issue people have with Manning is that he has been able to market himself so well and put up video game numbers. People seem to forget that only 12 QBs in NFL history have gone to 3 or more Super Bowls. And to have 9 one and dones means you were able to actually make the playoffs and put your team in the position to win games.

People also seem to forget some of the games he lost. Like in the 2008 playoffs. When Peyton left the field for the final time (aside from getting the ball back with 8 seconds in regulation), his team had the lead 17-14 in San Diego. The Chargers drove and kicked a field goal. Then the Chargers won the coin toss in OT and scored a TD on that possession. The same thing goes for the game against the Jets in the 2010 playoffs. Manning walked off the field for the final time with the lead 16-14. The Jets drove down the field and won on a last second field goal. That was also the same Jets team that walked into Gillette the next week and laid the smack down on the Patriots. The game in 2005 against the Steelers, Manning put the Colts in a position to tie the game with a 46 yard field goal that Vanderjagt missed. Not saying they would have won, but the game would have almost certainly gone into OT. Even in the 2000 playoffs against the Dolphins. Peyton walks off the field with 5 minutes left in regulation with a 7 point lead. The Dolphins drive down and score a TD at the end of regulation. Peyton drives the Colts into field goal position in OT and Vanderjagt misses. Granted, it was a 49 yard field goal so it wasn't easy. It was also a 4th and 1 at the Miami 31, so maybe they should have gone for it, but that's a coaching decision. Either way, Manning had the Colts in position to win that game as well.

The issue is that Manning gets into the playoffs and the team doesn't put up video game numbers. But how often has a Brady-led team put up video game numbers? The difference is that his team had a defense that could actually come up with a stop when it needed to the most.

Excellent post notorious!!!!!!! I posted the Ravens game but that puts it into context for me. It's not like he threw 20 int's per game or was a different QB. I think the play everyone remembers is the pic 6 in the SB to Porter. The WR ran a terrible route but that doesn't get brought up discussing that play. We all have to keep one thing in mind, the teams that make the playoffs tend to be good and playing well. Manning's playoff numbers in 24 games: 64% completion, regular season 65%. 284 yards per game, regular season 272. TD / INT 38/24 or roughly for every 1.6 TD's he threw a pick, regular season 530/234 or about 2.2 TD's for every pick. Other than TD's V Int's (about .25 more interceptions per game in the playoffs) his numbers have stayed consistent.

 

[Mondo Jay]

So why doesn't Marino catch similar flack? He went 8-10 in the playoffs, and never won the SB.

He should catch flack. He didn't play his best football in the playoffs, and he definitely had some good teams to work with.

Here is a good article about Marino: The Marino mythology

 

[boltfan72]

So why doesn't Marino catch similar flack? He went 8-10 in the playoffs, and never won the SB.

Easy answer is because nobody ever refers to Marino as the greatest of all time, like they do with Peyton.

 

[Broncosballer32]

I do find it pretty telling that Brady started out his career being 10-0 in the play offs with 3 SB wins. That was in his first 4 years, and the interesting thing about those years is he never passed for 4000 yards nor 30 TDs in any of those years.

Since then, he has had his best statistical seasons. No SBs though. Not in 10 years. He is 10-8 in the play offs. In fact, I would say the Pats losing to the Giants in 2007 was a pretty bad choke. I mean, arguably the worst SB champion. The 2011 Giants team may have been worse considering they were 9-7. Two worst records of any team that won a SB 2007 and 2011.

That 2007 Pats team broke all sorts of offensive records and they were pretty much shut down themselves.

Look the argument is settled. Peyton Manning has better stats, and Brady has more rings and wins. Brady, is the winner in this age.

Brady does get a pass for not winning it in 10 years for obvious reasons. Mainly that he has the 3 rings. The funny thing is I heard colon cowturd today, who by all things I have heard would gladly drink Brady ball sweat on ice, mentioned that Brady is so close from having 5 rings. Ironic, since he is also real close to having zero rings since they did win each super bowl by 3 points.

That is either here nor there. If Brady does lose this SB, I think people will start to see that fact that the Pats have not won it since 2004.

 

[notorious98]

In all fairness, those were different eras. Brady still finished top 10 in both categories for 2003 and 2004. It has less to do with him throwing the ball more and more to do with his defense not being nearly as good.

And no team that beats the #1 and #2 seeds, with all of their playoff wins on the road, then follows that up by beating the undefeated 18-0 Patriots can be considered "the worst Super Bowl champion".

 

[WalkerBoh]

Easy answer is because nobody ever refers to Marino as the greatest of all time, like they do with Peyton.

He was more in the conversation when he owned all those passing records. Those get forgotten though with Favre and Manning.

 

[notorious98]

He was more in the conversation when he owned all those passing records. Those get forgotten though with Favre and Manning.

I think we all know that Farve is the best QB of all time. Just ask John Madden. His second best is Tony Romo.