Detroit Tigers Ongoing 2013 Thread

[Cleaves2000]

it is interesting that after blaming his father for the divorce from his mother he has begun to see things n a different light after filing for divorce himself.

Yeah maybe he seen firsthand how hard marriage can be.

 

[jalopy]

Because taking a PED gives you superman eyesight.......great hand eye cordination......extra smarts for knowing when an off speed pitch or a fastball will be thrown......im still wondering why john cena and the rest of the WWE doesnt take a shot at barry bonds record. They gotta be great baseball players with all the roids they take.....

Also cant forget about kenny rogers.....2006 is very very tainted....

---from BaseballCrank

Does Strength Help In Hitting A Baseball?
This is really the crux of the argument. It is often said that you can't take a drug to help you hit a curveball, which is true but totally beside the point. The issue isn't whether steroids will help you or me become a major league ballplayer; the issue is whether guys with the pre-existing skills to play professional baseball will have those skills enhanced. To deny that, among other things, you have to argue that strength has no impact on the ability to hit for power. Of course, this is ridiculous. Since the introduction of the home run as a regular part of the game in the 1920s, it has always been the case that big, strong guys with powerful chests and arms have tended to be home run hitters, and skinny little guys have not. To deny that steroids have an impact on hitting for power in particular, you have to look at all the home runs hit by the Gehrigs and Foxxes and Mantles and Kluzewskis and Killebrews and all the singles hit by the Willie McGees and Vince Colemans and Nellie Foxes of the world, and argue that it is just a coincidence that physical strength has always been so strongly correlated with home run power. You have to not only look at Bonds and Giambi and all the other guys who have been placed under one sort of cloud or other and say that whatever they took or were given didn't matter; you actually have to say that all the muscle Barry Bonds has added has had nothing to do with his power surge, that Jason Giambi's increased power production as he gained muscle was just a coincidence. Sorry, I'm not buying that.
Basic physics: force equals mass times velocity acceleration. The force you hit a baseball with is affected by the weight and speed of the bat. Stronger players can generate greater bat speed, or generate the same bat speed with a heavier bat. Yes, bat speed is a variable affected by other factors - the arc of your swing, reflexes/reaction times . . . and yes, it's true that muscle mass sometimes gets in the way of greater bat speed. But again: if strength has nothing to do with power, why have stronger players always, as a class, hit for more power?


Let me know if you want a more scientific illustration.

 

[Cleaves2000]

You might need a bigger shovel for the hole you are digging. Dumber and dumber.

No just want to see where its a proven fact PED's help you hit a baseball......it wasnt like jhonny went from 12 HR's to 55. Im digging the hole for you anyways.

 

[Cleaves2000]

---from BaseballCrank

Does Strength Help In Hitting A Baseball?
This is really the crux of the argument. It is often said that you can't take a drug to help you hit a curveball, which is true but totally beside the point. The issue isn't whether steroids will help you or me become a major league ballplayer; the issue is whether guys with the pre-existing skills to play professional baseball will have those skills enhanced. To deny that, among other things, you have to argue that strength has no impact on the ability to hit for power. Of course, this is ridiculous. Since the introduction of the home run as a regular part of the game in the 1920s, it has always been the case that big, strong guys with powerful chests and arms have tended to be home run hitters, and skinny little guys have not. To deny that steroids have an impact on hitting for power in particular, you have to look at all the home runs hit by the Gehrigs and Foxxes and Mantles and Kluzewskis and Killebrews and all the singles hit by the Willie McGees and Vince Colemans and Nellie Foxes of the world, and argue that it is just a coincidence that physical strength has always been so strongly correlated with home run power. You have to not only look at Bonds and Giambi and all the other guys who have been placed under one sort of cloud or other and say that whatever they took or were given didn't matter; you actually have to say that all the muscle Barry Bonds has added has had nothing to do with his power surge, that Jason Giambi's increased power production as he gained muscle was just a coincidence. Sorry, I'm not buying that.
Basic physics: force equals mass times velocity acceleration. The force you hit a baseball with is affected by the weight and speed of the bat. Stronger players can generate greater bat speed, or generate the same bat speed with a heavier bat. Yes, bat speed is a variable affected by other factors - the arc of your swing, reflexes/reaction times . . . and yes, it's true that muscle mass sometimes gets in the way of greater bat speed. But again: if strength has nothing to do with power, why have stronger players always, as a class, hit for more power?


Let me know if you want a more scientific illustration.

So where is all this power at from jhonny?

 

[Cleaves2000]

Or robert fick?

 

[Cleaves2000]

Why arent these guys in the minors who are getting caught on PED's not tearing up the minors?

 

[jalopy]

Footballs not a sport? Yeah right......guess you were the lil guy who had to cycle instead of going out for football eh?

You are right. That comment is an over-generalization. Watching Barry Sanders run with the football is sport. Watching Montana to Rice is sport. Watching Deion Sanders return a ball is sport. Watching a bunch of chemically induced knuckleheads swap sweat is not much different than a WWE match but that's just my opinion

 

[themuzzer]

Who are my cronies?


DUI? Should someone lose their job for a DUI? I would say yes if that person drives buses or something like that.....but ive never heard of a factory worker or a burger flipper lose a job for DUI unless they miss alot of work because of it.....if MLB says jhonny can play once he serves his suspension, then whats the problem? Hes legit to play according to the people that run the game.

A DUI would financially fuck me!!!!! Then again driving is my livelyhood (not spelling) ......If you flip burgers and get a DUI your company woulnd't even know about it unless you told them.....Where as if you have CDL and get a DUI that info if forwarded to your boss or company etc.

 

[Cleaves2000]

A DUI would financially fuck me!!!!! Then again driving is my livelyhood (not spelling) ......If you flip burgers and get a DUI your company woulnd't even know about it unless you told them.....Where as if you have CDL and get a DUI that info if forwarded to your boss or company etc.

Yeah i know....my mom drives school bus......she will never drive once she starts drinking...she has to be very careful when driving period.

 

[jalopy]

A DUI would financially fuck me!!!!! Then again driving is my livelyhood (not spelling) ......If you flip burgers and get a DUI your company woulnd't even know about it unless you told them.....Where as if you have CDL and get a DUI that info if forwarded to your boss or company etc.

Fuzzy, the big people are talking. Now go to you room and play with your toys.

 

[Cleaves2000]

Footballs not a sport? Yeah right......guess you were the lil guy who had to cycle instead of going out for football eh?

You are right. That comment is an over-generalization. Watching Barry Sanders run with the football is sport. Watching Montana to Rice is sport. Watching Deion Sanders return a ball is sport. Watching a bunch of chemically induced knuckleheads swap sweat is not much different than a WWE match but that's just my opinion

So are you trying to tell me football players didnt take steroids in the 80's and 90's? You make no sense.

 

[jalopy]

So are you trying to tell me football players didnt take steroids in the 80's and 90's? You make no sense.

No, but if I may be so bold as to request that you actually read the words you are commenting on. Then comprehend. THEN form your comment. See, when you have a preformed idea in your head it is very difficult to think objectively.

I am merely saying that in my opinion, football is a "sport" than relies on PED's rather than accepts them.

 

[themuzzer]

---from BaseballCrank

Does Strength Help In Hitting A Baseball?
This is really the crux of the argument. It is often said that you can't take a drug to help you hit a curveball, which is true but totally beside the point. The issue isn't whether steroids will help you or me become a major league ballplayer; the issue is whether guys with the pre-existing skills to play professional baseball will have those skills enhanced. To deny that, among other things, you have to argue that strength has no impact on the ability to hit for power. Of course, this is ridiculous. Since the introduction of the home run as a regular part of the game in the 1920s, it has always been the case that big, strong guys with powerful chests and arms have tended to be home run hitters, and skinny little guys have not. To deny that steroids have an impact on hitting for power in particular, you have to look at all the home runs hit by the Gehrigs and Foxxes and Mantles and Kluzewskis and Killebrews and all the singles hit by the Willie McGees and Vince Colemans and Nellie Foxes of the world, and argue that it is just a coincidence that physical strength has always been so strongly correlated with home run power. You have to not only look at Bonds and Giambi and all the other guys who have been placed under one sort of cloud or other and say that whatever they took or were given didn't matter; you actually have to say that all the muscle Barry Bonds has added has had nothing to do with his power surge, that Jason Giambi's increased power production as he gained muscle was just a coincidence. Sorry, I'm not buying that.
Basic physics: force equals mass times velocity acceleration. The force you hit a baseball with is affected by the weight and speed of the bat. Stronger players can generate greater bat speed, or generate the same bat speed with a heavier bat. Yes, bat speed is a variable affected by other factors - the arc of your swing, reflexes/reaction times . . . and yes, it's true that muscle mass sometimes gets in the way of greater bat speed. But again: if strength has nothing to do with power, why have stronger players always, as a class, hit for more power?


Let me know if you want a more scientific illustration.

Size is one thing......Why arn't most pitchers 280 pounds and look like Prince Fielder? Because mass times velocity equals accelration? Nah bullshit......Pitchers throw fast because they have Whip in there arm, just like Golfers have whip in there hips, arms shoulders and legs....Tiger Woods isn't all that big but he has whip......

 

[themuzzer]

Fuzzy, the big people are talking. Now go to you room and play with your toys.

That's what I'm doing.....I got a big bright shiny one today called jalopy......It says insert rectally on it? If you are an adult can you explain that to me.

 

[broncosmitty]

I detached my retina in 8th grade during basketball. Doc hooked me up with Roids for about a week and half. I was as good as new without the eye patch. Still couldn't pull off any sweet 360 windmills though. And I've had to carry around the burden of being a cheater ever since. Good thing there isn't a junior high state championship, cuz it woulda been "tainted".

 

[jalopy]

Size is one thing......Why arn't most pitchers 280 pounds and look like Prince Fielder? Because mass times velocity equals accelration? Nah bullshit......Pitchers throw fast because they have Whip in there arm, just like Golfers have whip in there hips, arms shoulders and legs....Tiger Woods isn't all that big but he has whip......

Fuzzy, if you knew my background and how much I disagreed with you, it might just wake you up. All power in pitching is initiated in the lower body. Upper body torque allows that energy to be transferred to the baseball. Arm whip is something that will separate muscles from tendons and ligaments.

 

[Cleaves2000]

I detached my retina in 8th grade during basketball. Doc hooked me up with Roids for about a week and half. I was as good as new without the eye patch. Still couldn't pull off any sweet 360 windmills though. And I've had to carry around the burden of being a cheater ever since. Good thing there isn't a junior high state championship, cuz it woulda been "tainted".

You are no longer BRONCOSMITTY..........you are now known as *BRONCOSMITTY..

 

[themuzzer]

Fuzzy, if you knew my background and how much I disagreed with you, it might just wake you up. All power in pitching is initiated in the lower body. Upper body torque allows that energy to be transferred to the baseball. Arm whip is something that will separate muscles from tendons and ligaments.

I know all about you, I knew you from CBS and yet you still fail to impress me...Feel free to keep trying though.

 

[Cleaves2000]

Size is one thing......Why arn't most pitchers 280 pounds and look like Prince Fielder? Because mass times velocity equals accelration? Nah bullshit......Pitchers throw fast because they have Whip in there arm, just like Golfers have whip in there hips, arms shoulders and legs....Tiger Woods isn't all that big but he has whip......

I guess john daly was taking PED's the whole time.....and i thought his diet was doughnuts, beer and cigs....

 

[Cleaves2000]

I know all about you, I knew you from CBS and yet you still fail to impress me...Feel free to keep trying though.

If you knew his background?


Seems like a corny wanna be goodie two shoes professor whos out to preach ethics to me.....

Im sure people on here could give a shit about your background.