Derek Jeter's career OPS+ ranks tied for 498th

[HammerDown]

I'm just taking a break from LOLing at Tom Brady and his fans so I can LOL at Derek Jeter and his fans.

That okay?

 

[bksballer89]

I'm just taking a break from LOLing at Tom Brady and his fans so I can LOL at Derek Jeter and his fans.

That okay?

LOL at the Padres while you're at it

 

[soxfan1468927]

I'm referring to historical standards.

Hard to argue with the fact that very few hitters make the Hall without 3000 hits or 500 HRs. And the exceptions tend to be defensively elite players.

Very few? That's just not true. There are 110 hitters in the Hall that have neither 3000 hits nor 500 HRs.

 

[flyerhawk]

Very few? That's just not true. There are 110 hitters in the Hall that have neither 3000 hits nor 500 HRs.

OK. And some players were clearly Hall of Famers in that list. So Rogers Hornsby didn't hit 3000 hits or 500 HRs. He did have a lifetime .358 batting though and played 2b.

That list also includes a lot of guys from non-modern day baseball(before 1915) when home runs were rare and most guys didn't play long enough to get 3000 hits.

If you focus on players inducted in the last 50 years or so, the numbers drop considerably. There still are guys that make it certainly but usually there is a reason for it. Ozzie and Robinson being 2 of the greatest defensive players of all time. Kirby Puckett getting sick. A few catchers who always have shorter careers due to the position.

So it boils down to guys like Larkin, Morgan, Sandberg, etc.

 

[soxfan1468927]

OK. And some players were clearly Hall of Famers in that list. So Rogers Hornsby didn't hit 3000 hits or 500 HRs. He did have a lifetime .358 batting though and played 2b.

That list also includes a lot of guys from non-modern day baseball(before 1915) when home runs were rare and most guys didn't play long enough to get 3000 hits.

If you focus on players inducted in the last 50 years or so, the numbers drop considerably. There still are guys that make it certainly but usually there is a reason for it. Ozzie and Robinson being 2 of the greatest defensive players of all time. Kirby Puckett getting sick. A few catchers who always have shorter careers due to the position.

So it boils down to guys like Larkin, Morgan, Sandberg, etc.

Don't forget guys like Andre Dawson, Jim Rice, Tony Perez, Willie Stargell, Billy Williams, Orlando Cepeda, and Duke Snider.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

OK. And some players were clearly Hall of Famers in that list. So Rogers Hornsby didn't hit 3000 hits or 500 HRs. He did have a lifetime .358 batting though and played 2b.

That list also includes a lot of guys from non-modern day baseball(before 1915) when home runs were rare and most guys didn't play long enough to get 3000 hits.

If you focus on players inducted in the last 50 years or so, the numbers drop considerably. There still are guys that make it certainly but usually there is a reason for it. Ozzie and Robinson being 2 of the greatest defensive players of all time. Kirby Puckett getting sick. A few catchers who always have shorter careers due to the position.

So it boils down to guys like Larkin, Morgan, Sandberg, etc.

I disagree with you no matter how you want to limit what HOFers we're looking at.

I see a lot where people think 3,000 H/500 HR for hitters, or 300 Ws for pitchers are the credentials needed to be inducted into the HOF. It's simply not the case. Look over the HOFers and you'll see that the majority do not have these benchmarks.

If you hit those milestones, you're basically a lock, but you don't need them to get it.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I disagree with you no matter how you want to limit what HOFers we're looking at.

I see a lot where people think 3,000 H/500 HR for hitters, or 300 Ws for pitchers are the credentials needed to be inducted into the HOF. It's simply not the case. Look over the HOFers and you'll see that the majority do not have these benchmarks.

If you hit those milestones, you're basically a lock, but you don't need them to get it.

no, you don't need them... But if you don't have them then you better have been special...

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

no, you don't need them... But if you don't have them then you better have been special...

So you're suggesting that a player would need to have been special to be elected into the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame? That's pretty ground-breaking stuff there, Mr. Spiller.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

So you're suggesting that a player would need to have been special to be elected into the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame? That's pretty ground-breaking stuff there, Mr. Spiller.

thanks... I am taking a bow right now, just in case you couldn't tell... I hear the applause!!!

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

thanks... I am taking a bow right now, just in case you couldn't tell... I hear the applause!!!

 

[Blitzville]

If Derek Jeter played his whole career in a place like Kansas City or Minnesota he wouldn't be anywhere close to the Hall of Fame. He was a little better than average, made into a superstar by New York tabloids, certainly not his play.

 

[navamind]

If Derek Jeter played his whole career in a place like Kansas City or Minnesota he wouldn't be anywhere close to the Hall of Fame. He was a little better than average, made into a superstar by New York tabloids, certainly not his play.

It amazes me that people are stupid enough to actually believe this.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Heh, conspiracy theories will always fly when the hall has hypocritical and inconsistent standards. Free Bobby Grich.

 

[Omar 382]

If Derek Jeter played his whole career in a place like Kansas City or Minnesota he wouldn't be anywhere close to the Hall of Fame. He was a little better than average, made into a superstar by New York tabloids, certainly not his play.

Do you even watch or follow baseball, or have any comprehension whatsoever about meaningful baseball statistics? Jeter is easily a top 10 shortstop of all time

 

[Omar 382]

By the way, Jeter's career wRC+ (which is a much more useful statistic than OPS+) is ranked 8th all time among shortstops. And two guys ahead of him (Garciaparra and Hanley Ramirez) hardly had half the PA that Jeter did

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Do you even watch or follow baseball, or have any comprehension whatsoever about meaningful baseball statistics? Jeter is easily a top 10 shortstop of all time

Exactly....Another victim of useless sabermetrics...........Some athletes just cant be completely measured by stats....Not that there is anything wrong with Jeters stats

 

[Omar 382]

Exactly....Another victim of useless sabermetrics...........Some athletes just cant be completely measured by stats....Not that there is anything wrong with Jeters stats

No, you misread my post. I'm not bashing sabermetrics. I'm using them to prove that Jeter IS indeed a great shortstop

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

No, you misread my post. I'm not bashing sabermetrics. I'm using them to prove that Jeter IS indeed a great shortstop

Gotcha, youre a pretty juicy guy

 

[Omar 382]

Gotcha, youre a pretty juicy guy

Yes I am

 

[The Q]

Playing a premium doesn't count when:
a. - you didn't volunteer to move from that position when a player who plays that position better than you joined the team.
b. - you didn't play that position better than at least half of the players who also play that postion. (Don't use the Gold Glove reference here because smart posters know that Gold Gloves are popularity contests).
c. - You insisted on holding that position 7 years longer than you should have.

half?

maybe a handful of guys like Tony Womack who wasn't even a full time SS during his career.