Crowder...um...what?!?

[Mitziman]

A man should never, and I mean never slap, push or strike any women or child…unless of course they need it.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Yep.. and OJ was innocent, Zimmerman killed a kid in self defense. I never said that the abuse wasnt there. There likely were some serious issues in that house. But reality is, she got away with attempted murder. She cut his dick off while he was passed out drunk, drove down the road and tossed it out the window. Not a course of action you just come up with on the fly. As my original statement said, this country has been slowly brainwashed to see women as victims in need of protection. And thus a woman can get away with a crime that would get a man locked away for life.

I remember the morning after it happened. I was still wiping sleep out of my eyes when I caught the story in the local section of the Washington Post. When I got to the part about throwing the dick out the window I burst out laughing.

 

[Sharkinva]

I remember the morning after it happened. I was still wiping sleep out of my eyes when I caught the story in the local section of the Washington Post. When I got to the part about throwing the dick out the window I burst out laughing.

OK so let me ask you. If a man was being abused by his wife for years, both physically and emotionally. And he finally got to a breaking point and slashed her face with a razor after walking in on her and another man in his bed... would you also find this amusing??

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

OK so let me ask you. If a man was being abused by his wife for years, both physically and emotionally. And he finally got to a breaking point and slashed her face with a razor after walking in on her and another man in his bed... would you also find this amusing??

No

 

[Sharkinva]

No

So IM just doing a litmus check you realize.

Just to recap, it was funny what happened to Bobbit, but if the sexual roles were the only things reversed, it becomes tragic, wrong and unacceptable.

This sir is my point all along that society at large has adopted the idea that women are victims and justified in retaliatory acts of violence against men. But flip the role and it becomes a taboo.

Some where in there is a long and in-depth study on society in its current form.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

So IM just doing a litmus check you realize.

Just to recap, it was funny what happened to Bobbit, but if the sexual roles were the only things reversed, it becomes tragic, wrong and unacceptable.

This sir is my point all along that society at large has adopted the idea that women are victims and justified in retaliatory acts of violence against men. But flip the role and it becomes a taboo.

Some where in there is a long and in-depth study on society in its current form.

It was funny because it was a funny ass story. If we reverse the roles it is a different situation because, this just in, woman have been the victims of abuse far more often than men have. So put that with the obvious difference in physical strength and the rules are different for a reason. Is it fair? Or course not, and I'm not defending a woman going around physically abusing her man. But it's certainly understandable.

Mrs. Bobbit got off because the courts ruled that she was not in a sound state of mind after years of abuse. When you picture a woman running out of the house with a dick in her hand, only to realize and throw it out the window later, well that sounds like a woman who was not in clear state of mind to me. Put that with the total piece of shit that is John Wayne Bobbit and I"m cool with the outcome.

 

[Sharkinva]

It was funny because it was a funny ass story. If we reverse the roles it is a different situation because, this just in, woman have been the victims of abuse far more often than men have. So put that with the obvious difference in physical strength and the rules are different for a reason. Is it fair? Or course not, and I'm not defending a woman going around physically abusing her man. But it's certainly understandable.

Mrs. Bobbit got off because the courts ruled that she was not in a sound state of mind after years of abuse. When you picture a woman running out of the house with a dick in her hand, only to realize and throw it out the window later, well that sounds like a woman who was not in clear state of mind to me. Put that with the total piece of shit that is John Wayne Bobbit and I"m cool with the outcome.

I guess we disagree on some fundamentals then. In the broad sense of things, I agree that women should not be abused. But I also know for a fact that many woman take advantage of the social mind set to push their authority in a relationship.


In the Bobbit case, as I have stated, I seriously question not the fact that she was abused, but the timing and convenience of it all. Shortly after asking for a divorce, she finally hits her breaking point?? Mind you this was also not too long after she had become a citizen?? So yes, I question her motive for all this. I think the whole she just snapped thing was bogus, and the only reason she got away with it is because she had the presence of mind to call in the crime she had committed.

See you see it as a woman not in a clear state of mind, I see it as a woman who planned to hurt him and wanted it to be as personal as possible. Add in the cultural factor (because yes latin women are told if he ever hurts you you should cut it off), and I dont think she just snapped.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

So was years of physical and verbal abuse all part of her master plan too?

 

[Sharkinva]

So was years of physical and verbal abuse all part of her master plan too?

Depends... The Abuse part probably not. But I have seen people put up with some weird stuff to get that magical US Citizenship stamp.

So I will ask you, you dont find it sketchy that they were Married in 89, she had an abortion in 90. ( By the way, she had this done while he was on deployment) The average length of time one needs to be married to gain citizenship is five years, and she got to her breaking point right around the five year mark??

So yes, I think she married him for the green card, got what she wanted (citizenship). Put up with him UNTIL she got what she wanted, and decided to take a little payback on the way out.

 

[Stymietee]

It was funny because it was a funny ass story. If we reverse the roles it is a different situation because, this just in, woman have been the victims of abuse far more often than men have. So put that with the obvious difference in physical strength and the rules are different for a reason. Is it fair? Or course not, and I'm not defending a woman going around physically abusing her man. But it's certainly understandable.

Mrs. Bobbit got off because the courts ruled that she was not in a sound state of mind after years of abuse. When you picture a woman running out of the house with a dick in her hand, only to realize and throw it out the window later, well that sounds like a woman who was not in clear state of mind to me. Put that with the total piece of shit that is John Wayne Bobbit and I"m cool with the outcome.

There is no evidence to support the statement that women have been the victims of abuse far more often than men have. Now if you had stated that women have REPORTED abuse far more often than men, I would agree with that. I have professional experience in this regard.

 

[Sharkinva]

There is no evidence to support the statement that women have been the victims of abuse far more often than men have. Now if you had stated that women have REPORTED abuse far more often than men, I would agree with that. I have professional experience in this regard.

That might have a little something to do with the fact that if a guy walks into the police station and says... "My wife just hit me with a frying pan, and I simply can not put up with it any more." The police will likely first look at him as if he were a soft punk, and secondly ask him.... what did you do, sleep with her best friend to deserve such "abuse"?

 

[Stymietee]

That might have a little something to do with the fact that if a guy walks into the police station and says... "My wife just hit me with a frying pan, and I simply can not put up with it any more." The police will likely first look at him as if he were a soft punk, and secondly ask him.... what did you do, sleep with her best friend to deserve such "abuse"?

There were many times that I would interview couples, where the dominate responders were female. When separated that reluctance that you spoke of was clearly evident and not easily talked about without quite a bit of prodding. In cases where there was some form of abuse, nearly 85% never returned for a second visit.

 

[Sharkinva]

There were many times that I would interview couples, where the dominate responders were female. When separated that reluctance that you spoke of was clearly evident and not easily talked about without quite a bit of prodding. In cases where there was some form of abuse, nearly 85% never returned for a second visit.

Why would they return? First off a man in this society who lets his woman control things is generally considered weak. A man who is actually being abused by a woman would be considered beyond weak. And we have adopted a societal mentality that men are always the abusers. And lets not even get into the cases where the couple happens to be black or Latino. Most brothers would sooner admit to being gay than admit they were being abused by a woman.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Define abuse. If you are talking about physical abuse, which was the case here, I highly doubt woman deliver more blows than they absorb.

As for Shark's theory that it was a green card marriage even if it was does that mean the wife deserves abuse? Can you not see how she may think "if I just stick it out for another 19 months I can get my card"? I just think it's a reach to conclude that she went from that to "June 3 is the day, on June 3rd I get to cut his dick off".

 

[Stymietee]

Define abuse. If you are talking about physical abuse, which was the case here, I highly doubt woman deliver more blows than they absorb.

As for Shark's theory that it was a green card marriage even if it was does that mean the wife deserves abuse? Can you not see how she may think "if I just stick it out for another 19 months I can get my card"? I just think it's a reach to conclude that she went from that to "June 3 is the day, on June 3rd I get to cut his dick off".

Physical abuse takes different forms when the abuser is female. Where a male abuser will generally use his strength as a method to get his partner to submit, punching, kicking or wrestling for example. Females generally use other methods to inflict pain. Cigarette burns, fingernails/ biting in sensitive areas or the use of household objects as missiles/extending their reach. Please note that I've used male and female in my answer, it is important to make the distinction between adult abuse and the spike in abuse cases among our youth.

 

[Sharkinva]

Define abuse. If you are talking about physical abuse, which was the case here, I highly doubt woman deliver more blows than they absorb.

As for Shark's theory that it was a green card marriage even if it was does that mean the wife deserves abuse? Can you not see how she may think "if I just stick it out for another 19 months I can get my card"? I just think it's a reach to conclude that she went from that to "June 3 is the day, on June 3rd I get to cut his dick off".

I will say this, if you dont think the act of cutting off a mans whacker is a very premeditated act, I cant help you. Most people in a fit of rage might stab some one, or shoot them. Hell I will even give the burning bed chick a pass, because she clearly intended to KILL him. She wanted him dead, and worse she wanted him to suffer as he died. Only after she committed the act did it dawn on her that jail time for assault is less than jail time for murder. And make no mistake, if she had left him to bleed out, temporary insanity would have been off the table.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I will say this, if you dont think the act of cutting off a mans whacker is a very premeditated act, I cant help you. Most people in a fit of rage might stab some one, or shoot them. Hell I will even give the burning bed chick a pass, because she clearly intended to KILL him. She wanted him dead, and worse she wanted him to suffer as he died. Only after she committed the act did it dawn on her that jail time for assault is less than jail time for murder. And make no mistake, if she had left him to bleed out, temporary insanity would have been off the table.

Love how you write this as if you can read her mind. You don't know it was premeditate any more than I know it wasn't.

 

[Sharkinva]

Love how you write this as if you can read her mind. You don't know it was premeditate any more than I know it wasn't.

Dude I dont have to read her mind to know that the act of cutting off his dick WAS premeditated. Its a very deliberate act not likely to be the first thing that comes to mind in the "heat of the moment". Again, I would give you the snapped defense if she had

1. Stabbed him
2. Simply shot him

Those are acts some one takes in a moment of fuck it I snapped. But to go down stairs after he falls asleep, grab a knife, come back up stairs and cut off his dick.... Sorry dude, some assembly was damn sure required to come to that finished product.

The only way you can buy that line of thinking that she simply snapped and had not been thinking of doing this for a while is if you believe she was a poor innocent helpless victim. And even THEN its not very plausible that she didnt spend atleast some time consciously thinking about doing what she did. Hell in a fit of passion I could even see her stabbing him IN the dick, but as i said its a VERY VERY deliberate act to deshaft a man.

Victim, most likely, Innocent I doubt it, and Helpless, well apparently not.