Cooke hit on Tyutin

[ELYEAH82]

He may have seen him peripherally. I don't know. I was not in his helmet. However, I doubt he figured Sid would turn and look behind him and skate right into his line....like a mite hockey player may do. It was a dangerous move on Sid's part. Steckel (with no history of even being a physical player) played his line and an unfortunate event happened. The onous was on Sid for not remembering the most basic things they teach you though, not on Steckel for having the genetic code to make him 6'5".


Retribution (even from Tim Wallace) was absurd for this. And yes, I do want my #1 face off man on available to me the entire third period of a 2-0 game. I don't want him to have to sit for 5 minutes because the Pens were not ballsy enough to take action (which would have been uncalled for) at the time of the incident.

I am sure Pens fans are feeling great about not having the League leader in almost everything at the time of injury. I am not faulting Steckel entirely or Sid entirely. Both could have prevented this but you seem to only see one players action and not the others which is a total homer move.

 

[loki604]

Well, you do look back in that situation. However, if it is a guy like Cooke or a guy coming very quickly, you usually turn the puck in, like you said. Still, Cooke needs to slow down and clutch the guy a bit and rub himn out on that play. NHLers should not need these on their jerseys:

I agree. And Matt Cooke doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt (and he left his feet). But I'm just speaking generally...if a guy looks and sees and it's a non-Matt Cooke type player who doesn't stop and runs him into the boards, who is the onus on there? The guy who knows the other player is coming or is it the 100% the guy's responsibility to stop?

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

I am sure Pens fans are feeling great about not having the League leader in almost everything at the time of injury. I am not faulting Steckel entirely or Sid entirely. Both could have prevented this but you seem to only see one players action and not the others which is a total homer move.

I see Steckel's actions. I just don't see what he did wrong. He skated toward the puck. In fact, as I watch it again and again it almost seems that he does try to get out of the way as best he can in the split second he could.

I think it sucks that Crosby is out. I don't like the stars not playing. It makes for a lesser version of the sport, but I also think that retribution for clean hits is barbarism and bullshit.

 

[beantownmaniac]

I agree. And Matt Cooke doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt (and he left his feet). But I'm just speaking generally...if a guy looks and sees and it's a non-Matt Cooke type player who doesn't stop and runs him into the boards, who is the onus on there? The guy who knows the other player is coming or is it the 100% the guy's responsibility to stop?

So you're saying the guy has to stop playing hockey because some goon is coming in for a dirty hit? I'm not JUST complaining about Cooke, the same goes for other dirty players also. It's Cooke's responsibility NOT to make a dirty hit. He chose to and he should be punish, HARD!!!

 

[ELYEAH82]

All I am saying is it looks like he could have avoided him. In fact if you watch it, he doesnt make a move to avoid him until after contact. I am sure he knew who was infront of him, lets not act as if he was unsure of the player in his area.

 

[SLY]

I agree. And Matt Cooke doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt (and he left his feet). But I'm just speaking generally...if a guy looks and sees and it's a non-Matt Cooke type player who doesn't stop and runs him into the boards, who is the onus on there? The guy who knows the other player is coming or is it the 100% the guy's responsibility to stop?

It is no one's responsibility to do anything. That is the game of hockey at that level. If a guy is handling the puck along the boards, I am going to crush him. As is any NHL player, had Cooke not left his feet, players would still flock to him for revenge because they're gay, but at least it would have been a legal hit.

 

[loki604]

So you're saying the guy has to stop playing hockey because some goon is coming in for a dirty hit? I'm not JUST complaining about Cooke, the same goes for other dirty players also. It's Cooke's responsibility NOT to make a dirty hit. He chose to and he should be punish, HARD!!!

No, I'm saying guys get punished for playing the puck in the corner all the time. Finishing your check is also "playing hockey". Cooke made a dirty hit, but if it's another guy coming in without a reputation and sees his opportunity to finish a hit on the player who knows he is there, and the guy doesn't leave his feet, but the player still goes awkwardly into the boards (and it's still a "blind" hit by definition even though the player previously saw him), why should that player be punished? Technically, you could start "putting yourself in a vulnerable position" on purpose. No most guys wouldn't do that on a regular basis, but maybe if you saw tiny Chris Connor coming toward you would risk it to try and get that five minute major.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

I agree. And Matt Cooke doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt (and he left his feet). But I'm just speaking generally...if a guy looks and sees and it's a non-Matt Cooke type player who doesn't stop and runs him into the boards, who is the onus on there? The guy who knows the other player is coming or is it the 100% the guy's responsibility to stop?

So you're saying the guy has to stop playing hockey because some goon is coming in for a dirty hit? I'm not JUST complaining about Cooke, the same goes for other dirty players also. It's Cooke's responsibility NOT to make a dirty hit. He chose to and he should be punish, HARD!!!

It happened with Koci on Green last year. The onous is not on the player with the puck to alter his game, except in the slef preservation sense. It makes Cooke's hit no better, because Tyutin looked back. i am just saying that if I am Tyutin and I turn and see Cooke coming, I may turn to take the hit face on, knowing that the other guy has no regard for the rules or safety:

Green and Koci:


Green didn't look back, but he did play the puck lacidasically, but that does not justify a crushing hit from 8 steps, from behind.


Point being on both, you need to protect yourself sometime, and assume other guys with reps are not going to play it correctly.

 

[loki604]

It is no one's responsibility to do anything. That is the game of hockey at that level. If a guy is handling the puck along the boards, I am going to crush him. As is any NHL player, had Cooke not left his feet, players would still flock to him for revenge because they're gay, but at least it would have been a legal hit.

Okay, that's pretty much how I see it. Cooke left his feet and he's Cooke, so I'm sure he didn't care if he took the guy's head off, but if that's another player just finishing his check, I say the other player put himself in the position to be hit like that.

 

[SLY]

Okay, that's pretty much how I see it. Cooke left his feet and he's Cooke, so I'm sure he didn't care if he took the guy's head off, but if that's another player just finishing his check, I say the other player put himself in the position to be hit like that.

Agreed... So you still wanna drop the gloves?

 

[loki604]

Agreed... So you still wanna drop the gloves?

Only if you legally check my teammate, you know.

 

[SLY]

Only if you legally check my teammate, you know.

I'm sure Cooke is better on skates... But I would probably pull a Happy Gilmore on him and try and beat him with my skate.

 

[beantownmaniac]

No, I'm saying guys get punished for playing the puck in the corner all the time. Finishing your check is also "playing hockey". Cooke made a dirty hit, but if it's another guy coming in without a reputation and sees his opportunity to finish a hit on the player who knows he is there, and the guy doesn't leave his feet, but the player still goes awkwardly into the boards (and it's still a "blind" hit by definition even though the player previously saw him), why should that player be punished? Technically, you could start "putting yourself in a vulnerable position" on purpose. No most guys wouldn't do that on a regular basis, but maybe if you saw tiny Chris Connor coming toward you would risk it to try and get that five minute major.

Finishing a check is one thing, but Cooke was penalized for charging which means he was far enough away from the play to avoid the hit once the puck was cleared away. I know you know hockey so you know how far players are allowed to travel for a CLEAN hit. Again, I'm not saying this because it was Cooke. I'd say the same thing no matter who the player was, even a Bruins player. I've been watching hockey for over 40 years and have seen way too many players hurt and careers ended by dirty hits. If the league doesn't start handing down REAL suspensions for these actions, players like Savard, Crosby, and others will be a dying breed as their careers will be cut short.

 

[sbb122]

4 for Cooke

The Insider On Pittsburgh Sports - Cooke receives 4 game suspension

 

[beantownmaniac]

4 for Cooke

The Insider On Pittsburgh Sports - Cooke receives 4 game suspension

Nothing against Pens but that is ridiculous and pathetic. Until the league starts handing down REAL punishment, especially against repeat offenders, these dirty players will continue to try to injure players on other teams.

 

[sbb122]

Nothing against Pens but that is ridiculous and pathetic. Until the league starts handing down REAL punishment, especially against repeat offenders, these dirty players will continue to try to injure players on other teams.

I am with you BTM, but we all know how the NHL operates. And unfortunately i don't see that changing anytime soon.

Now Cooke can't be jealous of sid now, he gets to take his own "vacation" in the middle of the season....

 

[Winged_Wheel88]

GIFSoup

 

[loki604]

Nothing against Pens but that is ridiculous and pathetic. Until the league starts handing down REAL punishment, especially against repeat offenders, these dirty players will continue to try to injure players on other teams.

Even though I said four before, I agree with you. The problem is Campbell's wheel of justice only takes into account things the player was actually punished for and Campbell's wheel of justice doesn't always punish punishable actions.

 

[beantownmaniac]

Even though I said four before, I agree with you. The problem is Campbell's wheel of justice only takes into account things the player was actually punished for and Campbell's wheel of justice doesn't always punish punishable actions.

I've seen too many players, some stars included, have their careers shortened or ended because of such behavior. It doesn't surprise me considering what Campbell said recently regarding concussions. He should be removed from his position.

 

[ritari330]

If Steckel had to answer for Crosby backing into him, I would assume that Cooke will have to answer for the late shot on Ovie when those two teams meet (good thing Ovie's foot was off the ice). If I had to guess, I would say Hendricks, although I think that Erskine would deal a better beating out. We are a bit thin on D though and don't need one sitting for 5.

The versus guys had it dead on. It was not clipped skates. It was an attempted knee on knee, and much worse and with more obvious intent than the one between gonchar and ovie. It was Marchment-esque.

I am still waiting for the interference call on Crosby for running into Steckel with the back of his head away from the puck.

You want DJ King on the ice for this one too, 46? I do agree he is going to have to answer to something when these 2 teams meet for the last time this season...