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Due to recent news, the topic of 'The worst trade in NBA history' has been mentioned a lot lately, and by many people who lack the necessary context. Obviously, we don't know what will happen in the future -- not wishing anyone any harm, but Doncic could, for example, blow out his Achilles in his next game, and turn into Brendan Fraser during his rehab, and never be the same. As could Davis. That said, some of the competition for this "title" is impressive.

Probably the current worst was when on October 18, 1976, the Portland Trail Blazers traded 21 year-old Moses Malone to Buffalo for a single first-round pick, which they turned into journeyman Rick Robey. Malone had already been an ABA All-star at 19 -- posting 19/15 -- so it isn't like Portland didn't know what they had. Malone would win the first of his 3 MVPs two years later, and almost everything else that exists to be won. This trade is compounded by the facts that Portland chose to keep Bill Walton instead of Malone, and then spent the next couple decades trying to acquire a center with functional legs.

Astoundingly, the second-worst trade might have been 6 days and 2 games and only 3 minutes of play later (!!) when Buffalo turned around and flipped Malone to Houston for just two first-round picks -- although they did turn one of those into Michael Ray Richardson, who was quite good.

Other candidates include:

In 1979, the Los Angeles Lakers traded 23 year-old Adrian Dantley to Utah for 30 year-old Spencer Haywood and 20 pounds of cocaine. Actually, Haywood just brought the coke with him -- and later consumed much of it before trying to kill his coach __during the NBA Finals__. Dantley went on to become the most-efficient high-volume scorer that basketball has yet seen. The Lakers were so ridiculously loaded with talent that they won a bunch of titles anyway, but this trade was horrific -- almost literally, since it nearly got someone killed.

In 1965, San Francisco traded 28 year-old Wilt Chamberlain -- in the midst of a 35/12/3 season -- to Philadelphia for Connie Dierking ( a journeyman center ), Paul Newman ( a decent point guard ), the rights to a guy who hadn't played in years and never did again, and cash. Chamberlain took the Sixers to their first title two seasons later ( they also won 1 as the Nationals ).

In 1972, Houston traded 26 year-old Elvin Hayes -- 12th leading scorer of all-time -- to Baltimore straight-up for Jack Marin. Marin was a real good player, and 2-time All-star, but his best days were already behind him, and Hayes would be top-10 in MVP voting for the next 5 years running.

In 1976, the New York Nets outright sold Julius Erving to Philadelphia for $6M -- after the Knicks turned down buying Erving for $3M (!!).


There are some other candidates, too. Anyway, the most-likely scenarios for Doncic-Davis probably don't wind up making the Top 5 of Worst NBA Trades. The first Malone trade will be the worst for a long time. The only case to date of a 21 year-old future-multiple-MVP-winner being swapped straight-up for a journeyman. Also one of unimaginably few cases where we know that a team accepted half of the value, because 6 days later the same player was flipped for twice as much, despite playing only 3 minutes in the interim.
 

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ChatNBA going back 45-55 years to make a point.

Worst trade of my lifetime might be more accurate
 

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ChatNBA going back 45-55 years to make a point.

Yes, because the time span in question is explicitly "league history". League history is three-quarters of a century.

Worst trade of my lifetime might be more accurate
Believe it or not, the world does not revolve around you.
 

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Malone was a promising player at 21 but was not a clear elite player yet. It's not like every quality ABA player turned into an all-star in the NBA.

The outcome of that trade was very bad but you can't really call that the worst trade of all time based on what the teams knew at the time.

If you are going to list a terrible Malone trade, the Rockets trade to Philly was absolutely atrocious. Malone had won 2 MVPs in his previous 4 seasons with the Rockets and they traded him for a 1st round pick and Caldwell Jones.
 

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ChatNBA going back 45-55 years to make a point.

Worst trade of my lifetime might be more accurate
It's not even that though. Luka is being overvalued by most folks, and Dallas got a really good superstar adjacent player plus a good young role player and a 1st, and don't have to pay an exercise and diet averse guy a supermax. It's more a now vs later trade. Long term obviously better for LA, this trade is Dallas deciding to move on from a possible Zion 2.0 and try to win in the next couple years. LA gets a face of the franchise for after LeBron leaves.
 

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It's not even that though. Luka is being overvalued by most folks, and Dallas got a really good superstar adjacent player plus a good young role player and a 1st, and don't have to pay an exercise and diet averse guy a supermax. It's more a now vs later trade. Long term obviously better for LA, this trade is Dallas deciding to move on from a possible Zion 2.0 and try to win in the next couple years. LA gets a face of the franchise for after LeBron leaves.
I don't know. This kinda sounds like you're hedging on both sides.

All I know is that its not really a trade that should be made. Is there a theoretical argument for not paying Luka? Sure. Its just so difficult to find actual NBA stars that its never worth the risk of letting one go. Even if overvalued, he is young enough to change the equation.
 

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Malone was a promising player at 21 but was not a clear elite player yet.

That's underselling him. He was the first kid to go prep-to-pro, and was an All-star as a rookie playing exclusively against grown men. Then posted 23/18/2 in his first playoff action, still as a teenager.

If you are going to list a terrible Malone trade, the Rockets trade to Philly was absolutely atrocious. Malone had won 2 MVPs in his previous 4 seasons with the Rockets and they traded him for a 1st round pick and Caldwell Jones.

That trade would be a candidate, too.
 

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I don't know. This kinda sounds like you're hedging on both sides.
Not so much hedging as seeing how both teams are likely viewing this. Obviously they each think this trade was a good idea for whatever reasons, and people are not seeing the Dallas side of it for the most part.
All I know is that its not really a trade that should be made. Is there a theoretical argument for not paying Luka? Sure. Its just so difficult to find actual NBA stars that its never worth the risk of letting one go. Even if overvalued, he is young enough to change the equation.
We know that Dallas knows Luka better than anyone, maybe they really don't see him getting in shape or getting efficient, who knows.

There's risk for sure, most trades involve risk. And in the end I think LA got the better deal. That's a long way from "worst trade of your lifetime".
 

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Half of those trades are value of the trade at the end of the players' careers. Totally different situation.

Dantley was 23 and averaged 17 ppg. He didn't become the HOF player until after he was traded, same with Malone.

Luka RIGHT NOW is 26 and made five consecutive 1st team all-nba teams and could be destined to be a top 10 player of all-time.

Most of these other trades happened when the league was watered down with less teams and less talent. The fact you have to go back to the 60's tells you all you need to know.

A COUPLE BIG POINTS that made a huge difference in these particular trades:

WILT ASKED TO BE TRADED - the return for a player when they request out is much lower.

HAYES HAD A DISPUTE WITH THE HEAD COACH AND HAD MANY DISAGREEMENTS - after these events they traded Hayes

JULIUS WAS SOLD AND NY WAS OUTBID - a player in a bidding war is a free agent move in todays' game. Nobody is counting it. Not a player and/or pick transaction.
 

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That's a long way from "worst trade of your lifetime".
Is it? Its sounds like a short-term fix that doesn't massively move the needle. Its bad process that deeply pisses of your fanbase.
 

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It's not even that though. Luka is being overvalued by most folks, and Dallas got a really good superstar adjacent player plus a good young role player and a 1st, and don't have to pay an exercise and diet averse guy a supermax. It's more a now vs later trade. Long term obviously better for LA, this trade is Dallas deciding to move on from a possible Zion 2.0 and try to win in the next couple years. LA gets a face of the franchise for after LeBron leaves.
Nothing on the court suggets he is Zion 2.0. It's just the media and rumors. He's battled some injuries this year, not his entire career. Having Lebron on his team will only help him imo hardest worker out there and first one in the gym
 

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That's underselling him. He was the first kid to go prep-to-pro, and was an All-star as a rookie playing exclusively against grown men. Then posted 23/18/2 in his first playoff action, still as a teenager.

In the 1970s, teams didn't have as much information to go. He was an all-star his first year but then tapered off a bit. It was obviously the wrong choice. But I don't even know if it rises up to the Mavs letting Brunson walk.
 

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Half of those trades are value of the trade at the end of the players' careers. Totally different situation.

Check the ages. In other words, no.

Dantley was 23 and averaged 17 ppg. He didn't become the HOF player until after he was traded, same with Malone.

As mentioned, Malone was the first prep-to-pro, and an immediate All-star playing exclusively against grown men as a teen. Dantley had already been ROY, and posted 2 20 ppg seasons, starting at age 21.

More to the point, neither was traded for anything like Davis, Christie, and a first.

Most of these other trades happened when the league was watered down with less teams and less talent.

You have to pick one, it was either watered down or had less teams. Cannot be both. In fact, the League was anything but watered down for most of these players. In some of Chamberlain's seasons, he went head-to-head with a Hall of Famer every other game.

The fact you have to go back to the 60's tells you all you need to know.

What, precisely, do you propose that it tells you?

I listed older trades because it is apparent that few, if any, posters here are familiar with league history. I expected that someone else might fill in with some more recent trades, but to-date, no one has.

WILT ASKED TO BE TRADED - the return for a player when they request out is much lower.

And players had no leverage, at that time. Also, welcome to the Internet, it is not necessary to shout, as everyone can hear you just fine.

HAYES HAD A DISPUTE WITH THE HEAD COACH AND HAD MANY DISAGREEMENTS - after these events they traded Hayes
And the Dallas FO has disagreements with Doncic.


NY WAS OUTBID

No, you will want to refresh your memory on this situation. Even if they had been, selling a legend for $6m is a terrible trade, even back then.
 

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In the 1970s, teams didn't have as much information to go.

It's not like he was playing for Vojvodina Srbijagas, Malone played for Utah and St Louis and played games in New York and other moderately civilized places.
 

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Is it? Its sounds like a short-term fix that doesn't massively move the needle. It’s bad process that deeply pisses of your fanbase.
Yes, it is
 

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Nothing on the court suggets he is Zion 2.0. It's just the media and rumors. He's battled some injuries this year, not his entire career. Having Lebron on his team will only help him imo hardest worker out there and first one in the gym
Again I keep repeating that LA got the better deal. Just pushing back on the idea that Dallas got totally ripped off. Dallas made their bet and maybe they’ll be right about Luka and maybe not. The other “worst trades ever” involve one team getting shit for a big star. Dallas got a lot more than shit, and not paying a supermax is a big factor that’s not part of what they “received”
 
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