Consensus IDP

[averagejoe]

Since things are a little slow, I was hoping that we could discuss IDP? The list below is a consensus ranking of 4 IDP lists. Does anything jump out at you?

Rk Pos Player Team
1 DE J.J. Watt HOU
2 LB Luke Kuechly CAR
3 LB Lavonte David TB
4 LB Vontaze Burfict CIN
5 LB Paul Posluszny JAC
6 LB Sean Lee DAL
7 LB Derrick Johnson KC
8 LB James Laurinaitis STL
9 DE Chandler Jones NE
10 LB Kiko Alonso BUF
11 LB Patrick Willis SF
12 LB Bobby Wagner SEA
13 LB Karlos Dansby CLE
14 DE Cameron Wake MIA
15 DE Robert Quinn STL
16 LB Jerod Mayo NE
17 DE Greg Hardy CAR
18 LB Daryl Washington ARI
19 DE Rob Ninkovich NE
20 LB Perry Riley WAS
21 LB Donald Butler SD
22 LB Chad Greenway MIN
23 DE Demarcus Ware DEN
24 LB Alec Ogletree STL
25 LB Mychal Kendricks PHI
26 LB D'Qwell Jackson IND
27 S Morgan Burnett GB
28 DE Mario Williams BUF
29 DE Cameron Jordan NO
30 S Barry Church DAL
31 LB Danny Trevathan DEN
32 LB Brian Cushing HOU
33 DE Muhammad Wilkerson NYJ
34 S Harrison Smith MIN
35 S Eric Weddle SD
36 DE Calais Campbell ARI
37 DE Carlos Dunlap CIN
38 S T.J. Ward DEN
39 LB Jon Beason NYG
40 DE Jason Pierre-Paul NYG
41 LB DeMeco Ryans PHI
42 LB Curtis Lofton NO
43 S Eric Berry KC
44 LB Navorro Bowman SF
45 S Earl Thomas SEA
46 S Antrel Rolle NYG
47 LB Daryl Smith BAL
48 S Mark Barron TB
49 S Bernard Pollard TEN
50 LB Lawrence Timmons PIT
51 DE Olivier Vernon MIA
52 S Kenny Vaccaro NO
53 DE Jared Allen CHI
54 DE Charles Johnson CAR
55 LB Stephen Tulloch DET
56 LB Jerrell Freeman IND
57 DE Chris Long STL
58 DT Geno Atkins CIN
59 LB Von Miller DEN
60 S Johnathan Cyprien JAC
61 LB Wesley Woodyard TEN
62 DT Jurrell Casey TEN
63 LB Ryan Shazier PIT
64 DE Michael Johnson TB
65 DE Lamarr Houston CHI
66 S Tyvon Branch OAK
67 LB C.J. Mosley BAL
68 DT Michael Bennett SEA
69 LB Vincent Rey CIN
70 LB Lance Briggs CHI
71 S Reshad Jones MIA
72 DE Justin Tuck OAK
73 S LaRon Landry IND
74 S Tyrann Mathieu ARI
75 DT Kyle Williams BUF
76 DE Ezekiel Ansah DET
77 LB Nick Roach OAK
78 CB Charles Tillman CHI
79 LB Mason Foster TB
80 S Stevie Brown NYG
81 LB Sean Weatherspoon ATL
82 S Charles Woodson OAK
83 LB D.J. Williams CHI
84 DE Adrian Clayborn TB
85 LB Dannell Ellerbe MIA
86 LB Thomas Davis CAR
87 LB DeAndre Levy DET
88 LB Justin Houston KC
89 DT Gerald McCoy TB
90 S Jairus Byrd NO
91 LB Bruce Carter DAL

 

[TKOSpikes]

What jumps out at me is a shit load of linebackers! I would have a very hard time distinguishing between them (out of the top tier).

 

[averagejoe]

Maybe its a little bias, but is Jared Allen a little low (53)? I know he's getting up in age, but the guy still produces.

I also notice Aldon Smith and Mathis aren't on the list which indicates that the rankings are current. Although, in Mathis' case, if he's only suspended for 4 games, he may be worth stashing.

 

[TKOSpikes]

Maybe its a little bias, but is Jared Allen a little low (53)? I know he's getting up in age, but the guy still produces.

Not bias. Especially in a new uniform... I'm sure you'll enjoy his production, as would a fantasy owner.

 

[TREFF]

Couple things stand out to me. First and foremost, no Clowney or Mack. Even the biggest skeptic of rookies should find a spot in the top 100 or so I would think.

Secondly, I see an awful lot of players that are on below average defenses who are highly ranked. Further confirming my own belief that IDP's values are about opposite from that of traditional offensive fantasy players. Great players around you doesn't necessarily help, and in fact might hurt a players value.

 

[averagejoe]

Couple things stand out to me. First and foremost, no Clowney or Mack. Even the biggest skeptic of rookies should find a spot in the top 100 or so I would think.

Secondly, I see an awful lot of players that are on below average defenses who are highly ranked. Further confirming my own belief that IDP's values are about opposite from that of traditional offensive fantasy players. Great players around you doesn't necessarily help, and in fact might hurt a players value.

I agree about the rookies.

But in a strange way, the idea of having players on below average defenses makes some sense to me. Because you figure if the defense has trouble getting off of the field, then there will be plenty of opportunities to make tackles.

 

[TKOSpikes]

To be honest, I'm not a big fan of tackles. I know that can separate the better LB's from the rest, but tackles can also be a fickle. Way too many half-tackles, pile ups, etc. I think it would be better off to omit them, and just go on turnovers, deflections, and sacks. I suppose a "solo" tackle can be separated and put in, but I get real skeptical on box scores and finger tackles because he was in the scrum.

I realize this would limit the use of the DT and some LB value, but it just seems like it would work better, and give the true elite defenders the edge.

 

[SteelersPride]

y is jj watt #1, im not a big IDP player but a;; those LBs, and he only had 80 tackles, ten sacks.......great for a de, but not lb

 

[averagejoe]

y is jj watt #1, im not a big IDP player but a;; those LBs, and he only had 80 tackles, ten sacks.......great for a de, but not lb

It's true, the LB position racks up a ton of points. But there are only a handful of defensive lineman (either DT or DE) that can put up LB-type fantasy numbers. And Watt led the league in 2012 in fantasy points.

In many IDP leagues, there may be only 3 IDP positions. 1 DL (either DT or DE), 1 LB and 1 DB (either S or CB). Since LB are plentiful and there is a lot of parity, the standout DL is the premium player to get. And in this regard, Watt is the best available.

Hope that helps.

 

[SteelersPride]

it does, thanks

 

[TREFF]

I agree about the rookies.

But in a strange way, the idea of having players on below average defenses makes some sense to me. Because you figure if the defense has trouble getting off of the field, then there will be plenty of opportunities to make tackles.

that's basically what I meant, but couldn't find that right way to say it

 

[leftypower]

I agree about the rookies.

But in a strange way, the idea of having players on below average defenses makes some sense to me. Because you figure if the defense has trouble getting off of the field, then there will be plenty of opportunities to make tackles.

Below average offense is a key as well. For that reason I think Kiko Alonso should be swapped with Johnson at #7.

 

[TKOSpikes]

Below average offense is a key as well. For that reason I think Kiko Alonso should be swapped with Johnson at #7.

Hey now! ..............okay, I guess you're right.

#15 years w/o playoffs!

 

[averagejoe]

#6 Sean Lee has a torn ACL and will miss the whole season.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

sleeper!

78 CB Charles Tillman CHI

if healthy, this guy is a turnover machine. unbelievable production a couple years ago.

 

[leftypower]

#6 Sean Lee has a torn ACL and will miss the whole season.

Yea and #18 suspended for the year.

 

[averagejoe]

#81 Sean Weatherspoon tore his Achilles and is done for 2014.

Colts DE Moala (unranked above) tore his ACL & is also done.