commanders off season thread

[skinsdad62]

How the hell is RB#2 a hole? The only major hole on this team is MLB. We signed our #2 Wr last year. What wrong with Bates and a #2 Te? I agree with DL depth but the Buffalo guy helps. Wouldnt be shocked if the #11 pick is used on a pass rusher. We need Safety depth. CB is tricky. I think Johnson can be a #4Cb in this league.

I think the team is all in on Wentz this year. If he fails they will address QB in next year's FA and draft. The good thing about the Wentz trade is that there is no gmoney in 2023 for Wentz. So if he fails we get can get out of it money wise. We just lose the draft picks. But a 3rd and possible 2nd is a SMALL price to pay to get a possible Franchise QB.

they trade was stupid , we could have gotten the same type for less if we were patient . it would become even dumber if its a 1 yr rental

and wince isnt a franchise qb , he is middle of the pack at best

 

[deanpet21]

Of course I say no and with a middle finger to boot. They want something that you should have but as usual you're willing to let go play elsewhere. WASHINGTON NEEDS A QB!! Which part of this are you not getting?
There ONLY one way that I take that deal and that is if I able to move back up to get my QB.

I will add this, next year's QB crop is going to be much better than the 2022 edition. We'll, at least the top 3 prospects next year.

So there is your answer. If next year QB class is better don't you want an extra first round pick to try and get one of those Qb's?? What if Wentz succeeds this year? Do you think they are going to cut him? lol If he fails you have an extra first round pick to land your franchise QB. That is why you trade down to get the extra first. We win either way if Wentz succeeds or fails.

 

[skinsdad62]

So there is your answer. If next year QB class is better don't you want an extra first round pick to try and get one of those Qb's?? What if Wentz succeeds this year? Do you think they are going to cut him? lol If he fails you have an extra first round pick to land your franchise QB. That is why you trade down to get the extra first. We win either way if Wentz succeeds or fails.

Bottom line wince can’t carry a team to a super bowl . He is not elite . You need weapons around him and a good defense . The commies could have gotten that with baker , Ryan , MM Trubisky for a fraction of the cost or resources.

I can name quite a few qbs that are better then wince starting with Jalen Butt Hurts who sent him packing .

Mahomes , Wilson , Watson , Stafford. Carr Murray Dak ,KC , rodgers Lance , Grap , Herbert , burrow Jackson Brady

Wince is there with Tua Jones MM , Trubisky , baker bridgewater lock Danny dimes Goff

 

[deanpet21]

Bottom line wince can’t carry a team to a super bowl . He is not elite . You need weapons around him and a good defense . The commies could have gotten that with baker , Ryan , MM Trubisky for a fraction of the cost or resources.

I can name quite a few qbs that are better then wince starting with Jalen Butt Hurts who sent him packing .

Mahomes , Wilson , Watson , Stafford. Carr Murray Dak ,KC , rodgers Lance , Grap , Herbert , burrow Jackson Brady

Wince is there with Tua Jones MM , Trubisky , baker bridgewater lock Danny dimes Goff

Not the point. I know you dont like Wentz. We will see what happens this season. Sty is going to turn down a future 1s round pick next year. I think that is crazy

 

[Stymietee]

So there is your answer. If next year QB class is better don't you want an extra first round pick to try and get one of those Qb's?? What if Wentz succeeds this year? Do you think they are going to cut him? lol If he fails you have an extra first round pick to land your franchise QB. That is why you trade down to get the extra first. We win either way if Wentz succeeds or fails.

This is Washington @Dean, after Griffin they haven't moved up into the top ten to draft a QB since and listening to them with this bunch they won't. Hell, they could have gotten Fields for a little less than Chicago did, but nope (famous line to follow) they aren't going to "mortgage the future."
Be honest, do you see them coupling first round draft picks to move up to draft a QB? Washington will do what they always do and that's talking themselves out of the best thing for them.I simply don't trust them to do what you suggest, they have no history in doing that.

Just STOP with the "if Wince succeed" nonsense, this is D.C. and when it comes to our football team, DC stands for Disaster Coming! Wince in Philly, same Wince in Indy, = Disaster Wince here.

 

[skinsdad62]

Not the point. I know you dont like Wentz. We will see what happens this season. Sty is going to turn down a future 1s round pick next year. I think that is crazy

It is every bit the point when you anoint him a franchise qb . He isn’t he is middle of the pack and has failed with 2 teams . He is the most expensive bridge qb in the nfl cfl and USFL . I forgot to add tannehill to the list as well

 

[deanpet21]

This is Washington @Dean, after Griffin they haven't moved up into the top ten to draft a QB since and listening to them with this bunch they won't. Hell, they could have gotten Fields for a little less than Chicago did, but nope (famous line to follow) they aren't going to "mortgage the future."
Be honest, do you see them coupling first round draft picks to move up to draft a QB? Washington will do what they always do and that's talking themselves out of the best thing for them.I simply don't trust them to do what you suggest, they have no history in doing that.

Just STOP with the "if Wince succeed" nonsense, this is D.C. and when it comes to our football team, DC stands for Disaster Coming! Wince in Philly, same Wince in Indy, = Disaster Wince here.

IF Wents puts up the year he had in Indy we will be just fine. I will take 27Td's and 7 ints all day long. I disagree with you on Wentz and that if they have the opportunity to trade down they will take a first round pick. Heck they could take less to move off #11. I'm glad we didn't pull the trigger for Fields. He is in a bad situation with the Bears. I didn't want him anyways.

Looks like we are not getting a MLB in FA. Lloyd must be there target right now. Ot they feel a MLB can be had in the 2nd round. No market for Flowers. If he is just a great OG why hasn't anyone singed him yet?

 

[deanpet21]

It is every bit the point when you anoint him a franchise qb . He isn’t he is middle of the pack and has failed with 2 teams . He is the most expensive bridge qb in the nfl cfl and USFL . I forgot to add tannehill to the list as well

Yes its very possible Wents will be the franchise QB for this team. Can he be a top 15 NFL QB? Of course!!

 

[skinsdad62]

Yes its very possible Wents will be the franchise QB for this team. Can he be a top 15 NFL QB? Of course!!

Middle of the pack isn’t a franchise qb dean , a franchise qb can carry a team on his back . Wince is baker level

 

[deanpet21]

Middle of the pack isn’t a franchise qb dean , a franchise qb can carry a team on his back . Wince is baker level

I don't care what you call him, if he wins, he will be here for a while. Packers have two first's and 2 2nd's. Maybe they want to move up for a WR. So here is a question for you. packers offer #22 and #53 for #11, do you do it? London and Wilson are on the board. Wills is off the board.

 

[skinsdad62]

 

[skinsdad62]

I don't care what you call him, if he wins, he will be here for a while. Packers have two first's and 2 2nd's. Maybe they want to move up for a WR. So here is a question for you. packers offer #22 and #53 for #11, do you do it? London and Wilson are on the board. Wills is off the board.

If he wins Big if for the 2nd overall pick who became a bust , tried to salvage career in Indy and gagged vs the jags with a playoff berth In the balance

 

[Stymietee]

Yes its very possible Wents will be the franchise QB for this team. Can he be a top 15 NFL QB? Of course!!

You don't want them to try to win a SB do you? It's pretty clear that you just want some sort of stability at the position that gives them a chance to win games, instead being favorites in every game. There's a huge difference in those different points of view. On any given game day every team has a chance to win just by showing up. Favorites to win generally win more games than they lose and that puts them in the mix to win SBs.

 

[Stymietee]

IF Wents puts up the year he had in Indy we will be just fine. I will take 27Td's and 7 ints all day long. I disagree with you on Wentz and that if they have the opportunity to trade down they will take a first round pick. Heck they could take less to move off #11. I'm glad we didn't pull the trigger for Fields. He is in a bad situation with the Bears. I didn't want him anyways.

Looks like we are not getting a MLB in FA. Lloyd must be there target right now. Ot they feel a MLB can be had in the 2nd round. No market for Flowers. If he is just a great OG why hasn't anyone singed him yet?

I can see what you mean IF Wince was still playing in Indy, he's not, so say bye, bye to your big "IF."

In as much as trading scenarios go you believe that they can get a big haul or at least next year's #1 from a trading partner... that ONLY happens if they trade deep into the first round. How does this help this team this year? Taking less, as I suggested at least gives them a chance to add to their draft capital AND possibly get the QB that they still need.

If Fields was in this draft he would be the consensus top 3 pick in the entire draft. I understand how easy it is to get down on the guy, but if you have any sort of perspective, Trubisky preceded Fields in Chicago and became more coveted this off season simply because he wasn't in Chicago. If you can, please give Fields the same benefit of the doubt that some gave Trubisky now that the suck-ass coaching staff on the Bears has been replaced.

In as far as signing free agents, I had a plan to increase our cap money this year. People had differing opinions on that plan, but at least I had one.

 

[duke1861]

How the hell is RB#2 a hole? The only major hole on this team is MLB. We signed our #2 Wr last year. What wrong with Bates and a #2 Te? I agree with DL depth but the Buffalo guy helps. Wouldnt be shocked if the #11 pick is used on a pass rusher. We need Safety depth. CB is tricky. I think Johnson can be a #4Cb in this league.

I think the team is all in on Wentz this year. If he fails they will address QB in next year's FA and draft. The good thing about the Wentz trade is that there is no gmoney in 2023 for Wentz. So if he fails we get can get out of it money wise. We just lose the draft picks. But a 3rd and possible 2nd is a SMALL price to pay to get a possible Franchise QB.

The data shows otherwise.

Well, for starters, the second-leading rusher for our team last year was the backup QB. Heinicke was our 2nd leading rusher last year and only gained a total of 300 yards. That is not good as you can imagine. An upgrade is clearly needed here as McKissic nor Gibson can move the sticks on short-yardage plays. Gibson needs to be spelled from time to time as well. Patterson might be that back but he only gained 250 yards on the ground last year. Again, we need a true #2 back who can move the sticks and be relied upon. Patterson nor McKissic can do that.

I agree with MLB, but it's not the only major hole.

You stated that we signed a #2 last year. In 5 games last year, Samuel only grabbed 6 catches for 27 yards. That is about 1 catch a game. That is not #2 material. Of course, he was injured most if not all the season. Do we know if he is healthy or is this a nagging injury? I don't think anyone can be comfortable with calling him a true #2 at this time. If he is still injured and not 100% at training camp, he might be cut and Rivera will have even a bigger problem on his hands. Bottom line is that we need more playmakers at the WR position. We have McLaurin and then either a question mark at Samuel or unproven WRs like Milane, Sims, etc.

I like Bates a lot as a player and hopefully, he grows into a #1 or #2 TE. At this point, he really isn't. He is more comfortable blocking and is developing his pass-catching skills. In 17 games, he grabbed 20 balls. So, he averages a little over 1 catch a game. Our top TE statistically wise is now gone (Seals-Jones). Thomas will be back, but who knows how healthy he will be. Also, keep in mind that in 8 years as a pro, Thomas only has had 1 solid season. He is a question mark given his history, coming off a severe injury, and he will be 31 once the season starts. A solid #2 is needed here or at least pass-catching TE depth.

If we take a pass rusher at #11, then the team is lost. We would have dropped 5 out of 6 1st rounders on the DL. That is irresponsible and foolish. We have starters and depth at this position and it's one of strength. I agree on Safety and CB depth. It's needed.

Wentz is NOT a franchise QB and nobody believes that. I don't think this coaching staff believes it either. Unless he is Kurt Warner, franchise QBs don't wake up at age 30 and decide to ball out. Wentz has now been traded twice in 2 years. Why would a franchise QB be traded twice...or even once for that manner. It makes zero sense. I trust the Philly and Indy coaching staff more than ours. Trading for Wentz was a huge mistake.

 

[duke1861]

I can see what you mean IF Wince was still playing in Indy, he's not, so say bye, bye to your big "IF."

In as much as trading scenarios go you believe that they can get a big haul or at least next year's #1 from a trading partner... that ONLY happens if they trade deep into the first round. How does this help this team this year? Taking less, as I suggested at least gives them a chance to add to their draft capital AND possibly get the QB that they still need.

If Fields was in this draft he would be the consensus top 3 pick in the entire draft. I understand how easy it is to get down on the guy, but if you have any sort of perspective, Trubisky preceded Fields in Chicago and became more coveted this off season simply because he wasn't in Chicago. If you can, please give Fields the same benefit of the doubt that some gave Trubisky now that the suck-ass coaching staff on the Bears has been replaced.

In as far as signing free agents, I had a plan to increase our cap money this year. People had differing opinions on that plan, but at least I had one.

Rivera is gambling on a few things here I believe.

1. He is betting that Wentz is the guy and that QB play picks up considerably.
2. He is betting that injuries won't derail the team again.
3. He is betting that underperforming players from last year step up...especially the DLine.

I would guess that Rivera believes 2021 went downhill due to the Fitzpatrick injury out of the game, COVID, and injuries to key contributers. It certainly seems like he wants to keep the band together and try again with Wentz at the helm. I personally don't think its going to work and his strategy makes no sense. He literally made no voluntary coaching changes which still baffles me.

 

[Stymietee]

Rivera is gambling on a few things here I believe.

1. He is betting that Wentz is the guy and that QB play picks up considerably.
2. He is betting that injuries won't derail the team again.
3. He is betting that underperforming players from last year step up...especially the DLine.

I would guess that Rivera believes 2021 went downhill due to the Fitzpatrick injury out of the game, COVID, and injuries to key contributers. It certainly seems like he wants to keep the band together and try again with Wentz at the helm. I personally don't think its going to work and his strategy makes no sense. He literally made no voluntary coaching changes which still baffles me.

"That's not an iceberg, all is well, full steam ahead!"___ Edward Smith,Captain, Titanic

 

[deanpet21]

I can see what you mean IF Wince was still playing in Indy, he's not, so say bye, bye to your big "IF."

In as much as trading scenarios go you believe that they can get a big haul or at least next year's #1 from a trading partner... that ONLY happens if they trade deep into the first round. How does this help this team this year? Taking less, as I suggested at least gives them a chance to add to their draft capital AND possibly get the QB that they still need.

If Fields was in this draft he would be the consensus top 3 pick in the entire draft. I understand how easy it is to get down on the guy, but if you have any sort of perspective, Trubisky preceded Fields in Chicago and became more coveted this off season simply because he wasn't in Chicago. If you can, please give Fields the same benefit of the doubt that some gave Trubisky now that the suck-ass coaching staff on the Bears has been replaced.

In as far as signing free agents, I had a plan to increase our cap money this year. People had differing opinions on that plan, but at least I had one.

The Giants didnt go deep into the first round when they traded with the Bears. So its possible to get a 1st rounder next year.

 

[deanpet21]

The data shows otherwise.

Well, for starters, the second-leading rusher for our team last year was the backup QB. Heinicke was our 2nd leading rusher last year and only gained a total of 300 yards. That is not good as you can imagine. An upgrade is clearly needed here as McKissic nor Gibson can move the sticks on short-yardage plays. Gibson needs to be spelled from time to time as well. Patterson might be that back but he only gained 250 yards on the ground last year. Again, we need a true #2 back who can move the sticks and be relied upon. Patterson nor McKissic can do that.

I agree with MLB, but it's not the only major hole.

You stated that we signed a #2 last year. In 5 games last year, Samuel only grabbed 6 catches for 27 yards. That is about 1 catch a game. That is not #2 material. Of course, he was injured most if not all the season. Do we know if he is healthy or is this a nagging injury? I don't think anyone can be comfortable with calling him a true #2 at this time. If he is still injured and not 100% at training camp, he might be cut and Rivera will have even a bigger problem on his hands. Bottom line is that we need more playmakers at the WR position. We have McLaurin and then either a question mark at Samuel or unproven WRs like Milane, Sims, etc.

I like Bates a lot as a player and hopefully, he grows into a #1 or #2 TE. At this point, he really isn't. He is more comfortable blocking and is developing his pass-catching skills. In 17 games, he grabbed 20 balls. So, he averages a little over 1 catch a game. Our top TE statistically wise is now gone (Seals-Jones). Thomas will be back, but who knows how healthy he will be. Also, keep in mind that in 8 years as a pro, Thomas only has had 1 solid season. He is a question mark given his history, coming off a severe injury, and he will be 31 once the season starts. A solid #2 is needed here or at least pass-catching TE depth.

If we take a pass rusher at #11, then the team is lost. We would have dropped 5 out of 6 1st rounders on the DL. That is irresponsible and foolish. We have starters and depth at this position and it's one of strength. I agree on Safety and CB depth. It's needed.

Wentz is NOT a franchise QB and nobody believes that. I don't think this coaching staff believes it either. Unless he is Kurt Warner, franchise QBs don't wake up at age 30 and decide to ball out. Wentz has now been traded twice in 2 years. Why would a franchise QB be traded twice...or even once for that manner. It makes zero sense. I trust the Philly and Indy coaching staff more than ours. Trading for Wentz was a huge mistake.

JD and Samuel were hurt last year so why bother toting last year stats? It doesn't make sense, the guys didn't play a full year. JD is more than capable of being a #2 back. Im not worried about RB#3. MLB is the only major hole on this team. All the starters are set for this team. JSW is not depth at the DE position. We have Young coming off major surgery. So yes, the most important position on defense could use a boost.

Wentz was traded b/c of the Jax game last year. The owner wanted him out. The guy had a good year last year and if he does that with us we are a playoff team. TH is not a NFL starter. We UPGRADED at QB like it or not.

Look at our schedule we only play two big time QB's this year in Rogers and Watson. Plus its very possible we don't play Watson b/c of suspension. You can add Dak in there too but that's about it. I can see 10 wins this year b/c of a weaker schedule than last year.

Its not all doom and gloom.

 

[deanpet21]

If he wins Big if for the 2nd overall pick who became a bust , tried to salvage career in Indy and gagged vs the jags with a playoff berth In the balance

you didnt answer my post. do you trade down in that situation?