Commanders News thread

[deanpet21]

with all the dumb and stupid things the coaching staff does,he can make the case for firing them all look easy.

i agree

 

[deanpet21]

Pride probably.

Even Bobby bowden argued calls in his last year of coaching. It's a coach thing. He was retiring but still yelling at refs.

Same with Jim boeheim.

Bowden and boeheim had clearly checked out but that doesn't mean they don't have pride and are somewhat arrogant. That is a bad example Dean.

Any coach, any sport would argue with a ref on what they perceive to be a bad call. Checking out has nothing to do with that.

checking out means not caring. If he doesnt care, why argue calls? not giving RR a pass at all. He was awful yesterday

 

[duke1861]

checking out means not caring. If he doesnt care, why argue calls? not giving RR a pass at all. He was awful yesterday

I don't think you read my post at all.

All coaches want to be right Dean.

Rivera checked out and there is ample evidence of that. His Chicago halftime interview proved that.

The fact that he hasn't fired any position coaches this year proves that.

I dont think Rivera cares about much because he most likely knows he is gone.

For example, Jim boeheim was being asked to step down and to consider retirement last season. He knew the wake forest game was his last because within 24 hours, he was retiring. He was still yelling and getting in the face of refs until the last whistle sounded. He was literally hours away from hanging it up.

Did he care if they won...no...but he was going to argue calls out of principle.

 

[skinsdad62]

i would take a 2nd for him but that's if he signs the ext. what if the ext is a low-ball offer then we end up with a 3rd.

you have to count it as a 3rd because he might not sign an extension

 

[deanpet21]

you have to count it as a 3rd because he might not sign an extension

right. I hope we get a 2nd for him.

 

[skinsdad62]

right. I hope we get a 2nd for him.

if i am any team i am not giving up a 3rd for a 9 game rental . (or a 2nd )

 

[deanpet21]

if i am any team i am not giving up a 3rd for a 9 game rental . (or a 2nd )

do you take that deal? getting a 3rd goes to 2nd if he resigns?

 

[chillerdab]

if i am any team i am not giving up a 3rd for a 9 game rental . (or a 2nd )

I agree with this, and would add, "if I'm the Commanders I'm not giving him away for a third." The Commanders will get a third for him as a comp pick.

Like I said previously, the Commanders can suck with our without Sweat. Might as well suck with him unless the Commanders get a second rounder. No reason to suck AND give players away for pennies on the dollar.

 

[skinsdad62]

do you take that deal? getting a 3rd goes to 2nd if he resigns?

i would say yes even though i dont like weakening a strength . but this is about a transition yr and moving forward and needing draft picks is important

 

[duke1861]

I agree with this, and would add, "if I'm the Commanders I'm not giving him away for a third." The Commanders will get a third for him as a comp pick.

Like I said previously, the Commanders can suck with our without Sweat. Might as well suck with him unless the Commanders get a second rounder. No reason to suck AND give players away for pennies on the dollar.

He is worth a 2nd at least, no doubt.

I suppose one thing to add is that a traded 3rd rounder is probably 15 or 20 spots higher in the 3rd round than a comp pick right?

A trade would also in theory weaken the team and equate to a higher draft pick.

I still think our front office has a crappy reputation and the offers will not be fair. Teams know that Rivera is not the brightest GM and will look to dupe him. The Trent williams and Wentz trades were 2 of the worst trades I have seen go down in the nfl honestly.

If our players get traded, I think it will be at the last minute when a team makes a more reasonable offer. Just my opinion.

We could walk out of this with nothing happening. I think it depends on if Rivera is ordered to make the trades.

We are 3-5 and just put up a lot of points on a top 3 nfl team.

 

[chillerdab]

I would argue that no team is a lay up for the Commadners.

I would also add that if I were the GM of the Commanders, I wouldnt settle for a pick 15 higher than a comp pick I would get in holding on to Sweat/Young.

I'd bank on the idea that whichever team was hoping to trade and sign Sweat/Young must have a pass rush that is lacking enough to seek outside help, and ramp up the pressure on that GM: "Look Atlanta, the NFC South is not very good, and you're at 4-4. You have no pass rush, but could make the playoffs. If you make the playoffs, you'll get rolled by anybody with a decent oline, which will most likely be all the playoff teams, especially because you don't have any pass rush. CY/MS could be yours for a second and a fourth, or you could lose draft position by sneaking into the playoffs and thereby missing out on the blue chip DE's / OLB's for a shot at being one-and-done inthe playoffs this year. Your choice."

 

[duke1861]

I would argue that no team is a lay up for the Commadners.

I would also add that if I were the GM of the Commanders, I wouldnt settle for a pick 15 higher than a comp pick I would get in holding on to Sweat/Young.

I'd bank on the idea that whichever team was hoping to trade and sign Sweat/Young must have a pass rush that is lacking enough to seek outside help, and ramp up the pressure on that GM: "Look Atlanta, the NFC South is not very good, and you're at 4-4. You have no pass rush, but could make the playoffs. If you make the playoffs, you'll get rolled by anybody with a decent oline, which will most likely be all the playoff teams, especially because you don't have any pass rush. CY/MS could be yours for a second and a fourth, or you could lose draft position by sneaking into the playoffs and thereby missing out on the blue chip DE's / OLB's for a shot at being one-and-done inthe playoffs this year. Your choice."

That would be a smart approach..yes.

We don't have a smart front office though.

I would hold out for a bare minimum of a 2nd rounder. Again, who is driving the trade negociations: Rivera or harris?

That is what I want to know. It makes no sense for a coach who is on life support to start trading away players. That is why I am beginning to think that Harris might be telling him to start selling and to get what he can.

I have no clue what is going on anymore. If we are going to have a fire sale, why not can Rivera as well?

 

[deanpet21]

That would be a smart approach..yes.

We don't have a smart front office though.

I would hold out for a bare minimum of a 2nd rounder. Again, who is driving the trade negociations: Rivera or harris?

That is what I want to know. It makes no sense for a coach who is on life support to start trading away players. That is why I am beginning to think that Harris might be telling him to start selling and to get what he can.

I have no clue what is going on anymore. If we are going to have a fire sale, why not can Rivera as well?

I agree, we dont know who is calling the shots now as far as the trades. Harris or RR

 

[duke1861]

I agree, we dont know who is calling the shots now as far as the trades. Harris or RR

That is what bothers me.

It looks dysfunctional to me and I don't like it.

I am overly sensitive because we just had an overbearing, helicopter owner.

If Rivera isn't in charge, or they don't want him to be...fire him.

Don't be the man behind the curtain who whispers what they want.

 

[gkekoa]

yes but its a big blow to their d line

Yes losing Grady is a big loss to their line. So I am not sure how adding a DE helps the hole they now have at DT. Had tou said Payne, then you would have a point.

 

[redskinsfan1963]

i would say yes even though i dont like weakening a strength . but this is about a transition yr and moving forward and needing draft picks is important

pretty good chance we lose young and sweat season,s end .may as well get something for them if they are gonna leave anyway.

 

[kbso83432]

To be fair, I'm interested in seeing what Forbes looks like when he's not trying to cover freaking A.J. Brown who is wreaking the league right now.

Hope he gets a lot of run vs. NE.

 

[deanpet21]

Yes losing Grady is a big loss to their line. So I am not sure how adding a DE helps the hole they now have at DT. Had tou said Payne, then you would have a point.

they need pass rushing help, regardless. Hopefully they up their offer

 

[gkekoa]

they need pass rushing help, regardless. Hopefully they up their offer

No argument there but losing Grady has no effect on them needing Sweat.

 

[Sportster 72]

He is worth a 2nd at least, no doubt.

I suppose one thing to add is that a traded 3rd rounder is probably 15 or 20 spots higher in the 3rd round than a comp pick right?

A trade would also in theory weaken the team and equate to a higher draft pick.

I still think our front office has a crappy reputation and the offers will not be fair. Teams know that Rivera is not the brightest GM and will look to dupe him. The Trent williams and Wentz trades were 2 of the worst trades I have seen go down in the nfl honestly.

If our players get traded, I think it will be at the last minute when a team makes a more reasonable offer. Just my opinion.

We could walk out of this with nothing happening. I think it depends on if Rivera is ordered to make the trades.

We are 3-5 and just put up a lot of points on a top 3 nfl team.

You made an important point regarding trading for a 3rd round pick instead of getting a supplemental pick. I don't see any chance of higher than a 2nd pick.