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[duke1861]

I see your point but let's say we trade Sweat for a 3rd? There is still a hole a DE. Still have to draft well, to replace his production. Sure there are different ways s to approach this.

You don't trade sweat for a 3rd. That is stupid and even Rivera wouldn't do that.

If the hole is for 2024, yes, it needs to be addressed. But you are assuming sweat or young would want to resign here. We might fill it with a free agent or draft pick. Luckily, a GM will make that decision, not a crappy coach pretending to be a GM.

Our own defensive team captain said he is tired of it Dean. Even as optimistic as you are, you know that he isn't a lone in his thoughts.

I could not care less a out a hole in 2023.

I don't think the team is as stable and as good as you think. You say on an annual basis that "the team isn't as bad as you think".

Yes, it is as bad as many of us think. We were never just a qb away from being good. I said the OLine was a problem after free agency and the draft.

We might have the worst front office in the league Dean. You yourself said that Rivera stinks and that no other nfl team would hire him as GM. Those were your words.

We either get something for sweat or young now, or risk them walking in 2024 and getting a 3rd round comp. You need to understand that 2023 is over and that it's about 2024 now. You won't accept that but it's reality.

 

[deanpet21]

You don't trade sweat for a 3rd. That is stupid and even Rivera wouldn't do that.

If the hole is for 2024, yes, it needs to be addressed. But you are assuming sweat or young would want to resign here. We might fill it with a free agent or draft pick. Luckily, a GM will make that decision, not a crappy coach pretending to be a GM.

Our own defensive team captain said he is tired of it Dean. Even as optimistic as you are, you know that he isn't a lone in his thoughts.

I could not care less a out a hole in 2023.

I don't think the team is as stable and as good as you think. You say on an annual basis that "the team isn't as bad as you think".

Yes, it is as bad as many of us think. We were never just a qb away from being good. I said the OLine was a problem after free agency and the draft.

We might have the worst front office in the league Dean. You yourself said that Rivera stinks and that no other nfl team would hire him as GM. Those were your words.

We either get something for sweat or young now, or risk them walking in 2024 and getting a 3rd round comp. You need to understand that 2023 is over and that it's about 2024 now. You won't accept that but it's reality.

very possible that they dont want to resign here. that is correct

 

[duke1861]

If the Skins are truly instigating talks for Chase and/or Sweat this could be a total display of disfunction.

A
Ron and/or Mayhew are trying to trade a couple of the few good players we have while on their way out the door........potentially. Just like it was crazy to have Ron Rivera a sub 500. coach, having a say in the name change. He's been here 5 minutes and he gets to help pick the name that we all have to live with?

B
Harris is making or ordering football decisions. Yes, he was the "Trust the Process" guy in Philly. Harris tanked and for the most part it worked. However, if this is Harris, it signals that he is willing to make roster decisions, which should be frightening for this fanbase.

Additionally, I would love to know who called Sean Payton. Was it Harris? Was it the Canadian? Was it the Duke basketball player? If it was Harris it means he was willing to hire a coach before hiring a GM. I know that's not the ownership structure most of us have been clamoring for.

Best case scenario its Mayhew, but why? Why would Josh let this group make such a huge decision like this on their way out the door? Unless........

Curious to see if and how this Eagles game affects all of this.

A couple of things

First, welcome back. Hadn't seen you for a bit.

Secondly, I am not sure what the answer is to scenerio A or B.

I agree, why would Rivera or Mayhew fold and be kind to set up the new GM with several high draft picks?

Also, I agree, I don't want an owner playing fantasy football with our roster.

Maybe the answer is that the owners see smoke and want to salvage what they can and set the stage for 2024. I think most of us, not all of course, believe this year was a transition year. Dean doesn't believe this and there might be others.

I think ownership is rattled. For example, I have not in recent memory seen the following in the NFL

A coach state to the media that players came to him to complain about a coordinator.

A coach claim he didn't speak to his team at halftime to the media.

A coach claim that he complained to his wife that he didn't properly evaluate a player from the year before.

A coach not understand that their team was being eliminated from playoff contention and confess it to the media.

A coach gell the media that if he is fired and the team wins a super bowl, to mail him a ring.

A defensive captain say that they are tired of what has been going on since they were drafted.

Combine these comments and actions, and the poor record, bad wins, sack totals, horrible home performances, I think harris and group are very concerned.

Is the house on fire? No, but smoke is starting to rise and they need damage control. I do believe the organization is dysfunctional because it is a transition year. Nothing is stable outside of ownership. It will stay that way until the new front office is installed. I think ownership is giving Rivera orders because they do not trust him and want to steady the ship.

That is why I think Rivera should be fired at the bye. It signals to the fans that change is coming.

 

[deanpet21]

just saw on the nfl network that there is an offer for Sweat and both could be traded.

 

[duke1861]

very possible that they dont want to resign here. that is correct

I would like sweat to resign. That being said, it takes 2 to tango.

Young can be traded.

We simply don't know who the GM will be and what direction they want to go. They might want a tear down. We don't know.

 

[duke1861]

just saw on the nfl network that there is an offer for Sweat and both could be traded.

We could walk out of this having a first rounder and three 2nd rounders going into the 2024 draft.

With multiple high draft picks and 90 in cap, we get the best GM on the market.

Not sure what brissett, Samuels, or Gibson would get us. I don't think we have a fire sale unless Rivera is fired today and harris orders Mayhew to get it done. I don't think that happens regardless of a loss.

 

[kbso83432]

A couple of things

First, welcome back. Hadn't seen you for a bit.

Secondly, I am not sure what the answer is to scenerio A or B.

I agree, why would Rivera or Mayhew fold and be kind to set up the new GM with several high draft picks?

Also, I agree, I don't want an owner playing fantasy football with our roster.

Maybe the answer is that the owners see smoke and want to salvage what they can and set the stage for 2024. I think most of us, not all of course, believe this year was a transition year. Dean doesn't believe this and there might be others.

I think ownership is rattled. For example, I have not in recent memory seen the following in the NFL

A coach state to the media that players came to him to complain about a coordinator.

A coach claim he didn't speak to his team at halftime to the media.

A coach claim that he complained to his wife that he didn't properly evaluate a player from the year before.

A coach not understand that their team was being eliminated from playoff contention and confess it to the media.

A coach gell the media that if he is fired and the team wins a super bowl, to mail him a ring.

A defensive captain say that they are tired of what has been going on since they were drafted.

Combine these comments and actions, and the poor record, bad wins, sack totals, horrible home performances, I think harris and group are very concerned.

Is the house on fire? No, but smoke is starting to rise and they need damage control. I do believe the organization is dysfunctional because it is a transition year. Nothing is stable outside of ownership. It will stay that way until the new front office is installed. I think ownership is giving Rivera orders because they do not trust him and want to steady the ship.

That is why I think Rivera should be fired at the bye. It signals to the fans that change is coming.

See the reason why I'm a little hesitant to trade Chase or Sweat is because I think they are really good players and wouldn't mind moving froward with both of them on the roster. Its not about 2023 for me. Its about 2024.

Additionally, I have a suspicion we are gonna get pennies on the dollar. Maybe Chase and Sweat look completely different with a new DC and a new system.

We all saw the improvement that took place once we got rid of the DLine coach.

Part of me feels like Harris has in a round about way said "If you guys come out flat and embarrass me and these fans today, I'm blowing this thing up." Maybe thats a good thing.

Thing is Chase was ROTY and has been playing great the last couple of weeks. Sweat gets to the QB and is great vs the run. I'd like to see what those four could do with a true MLB and potentially a new system and coaches.

 

[duke1861]

See the reason why I'm a little hesitant to trade Chase or Sweat is because I think they are really good players and wouldn't mind moving froward with both of them on the roster. Its not about 2023 for me. Its about 2024.

Additionally, I have a suspicion we are gonna get pennies on the dollar. Maybe Chase and Sweat look completely different with a new DC and a new system.

We all saw the improvement that took place once we got rid of the DLine coach.

Part of me feels like Harris has in a round about way said "If you guys come out flat and embarrass me and these fans today, I'm blowing this thing up." Maybe thats a good thing.

Thing is Chase was ROTY and has been playing great the last couple of weeks. Sweat gets to the QB and is great vs the run. I'd like to see what those four could do with a true MLB and potentially a new system and coaches.

Very solid points.

My concern is that we might neglect the offense again.

I don't think we get a full return on both sweat and young. You are correct.

Perhaps harris thinks we cannot retain young and sweat. I don't know. I would love to see our front 4 with an above average LB. That would be awesome!

My concern is if we go this route, the offense will be the second priority again. I see your logic and it makes sense, but I think our priority must be the OL.

If we sign young and sweat to long term deals, I am guessing it's about 20 million a year a piece right? That leaves us with 50 million for:
Draft class
OLine
LB
Depth

I am not sure we can do all of that. I could be wrong. We can't address everything in one offseason, as such, we must prioritize. To me, the first priority is the OLine. We must do this at some point and stop throwing stop gaps or journeymen at it.

Maybe we resign and sign
Young
Sweat
Elite OLineman 1
Elite OLineman 2

We the approach the draft with focuses on OLine, LB, and deptDepth?

The more I think about, maybe we should go quality over quantity?

 

[deanpet21]

Very solid points.

My concern is that we might neglect the offense again.

I don't think we get a full return on both sweat and young. You are correct.

Perhaps harris thinks we cannot retain young and sweat. I don't know. I would love to see our front 4 with an above average LB. That would be awesome!

My concern is if we go this route, the offense will be the second priority again. I see your logic and it makes sense, but I think our priority must be the OL.

If we sign young and sweat to long term deals, I am guessing it's about 20 million a year a piece right? That leaves us with 50 million for:
Draft class
OLine
LB
Depth

I am not sure we can do all of that. I could be wrong. We can't address everything in one offseason, as such, we must prioritize. To me, the first priority is the OLine. We must do this at some point and stop throwing stop gaps or journeymen at it.

Maybe we resign and sign
Young
Sweat
Elite OLineman 1
Elite OLineman 2

We the approach the draft with focuses on OLine, LB, and deptDepth?

The more I think about, maybe we should go quality over quantity?

dont forget about Curl. He is a must resign.

 

[duke1861]

dont forget about Curl. He is a must resign.

Great catch.

So we resign
Curl
Young
Sweat

That is probably 55 million total right? Just guessing.

That leaves 35 million to address
OLine
Depth
LB

Sorry, I am not seeing it and the defense heavy approach is what got us in the current predicament we are in. If we have a bottom OLine and probably worst OLine in the league, how do we fix it?

Just my 2 cents. There just isn't enough money to resign everyone and make the appropriate upgrades. I could be wrong.

 

[deanpet21]

Great catch.

So we resign
Curl
Young
Sweat

That is probably 55 million total right? Just guessing.

That leaves 35 million to address
OLine
Depth
LB

Sorry, I am not seeing it and the defense heavy approach is what got us in the current predicament we are in. If we have a bottom OLine and probably worst OLine in the league, how do we fix it?

Just my 2 cents. There just isn't enough money to resign everyone and make the appropriate upgrades. I could be wrong.

the oline could be addressed in the draft.

 

[skinsdad62]

Very solid points.

My concern is that we might neglect the offense again.

I don't think we get a full return on both sweat and young. You are correct.

Perhaps harris thinks we cannot retain young and sweat. I don't know. I would love to see our front 4 with an above average LB. That would be awesome!

My concern is if we go this route, the offense will be the second priority again. I see your logic and it makes sense, but I think our priority must be the OL.

If we sign young and sweat to long term deals, I am guessing it's about 20 million a year a piece right? That leaves us with 50 million for:
Draft class
OLine
LB
Depth

I am not sure we can do all of that. I could be wrong. We can't address everything in one offseason, as such, we must prioritize. To me, the first priority is the OLine. We must do this at some point and stop throwing stop gaps or journeymen at it.

Maybe we resign and sign
Young
Sweat
Elite OLineman 1
Elite OLineman 2

We the approach the draft with focuses on OLine, LB, and deptDepth?

The more I think about, maybe we should go quality over quantity?

You can resign both , restructure deals , get more draft picks via other trades and get out of the one year turn around mind set

Here are givens , the cap will go up every year and a new FO and HC could mean different philosophies and certain types of players that will be prioritized

 

[redskinsfan1963]

at this point,i,d rather have rivera doing nothing but try to coach and not trade or have any say on who to trade.

 

[duke1861]

the oline could be addressed in the draft.

Wouldn't work Dean.

You can't start 3 rookies on an oline.

It would be a good start but we have the worst oline in the league. It will take free agents and rookies to get it going.

 

[skinsdad62]

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[countryroads316]

If Washington loses today Ron Rivera won't have any say in who gets traded he is done here

 

[kbso83432]

Very solid points.

My concern is that we might neglect the offense again.

I don't think we get a full return on both sweat and young. You are correct.

Perhaps harris thinks we cannot retain young and sweat. I don't know. I would love to see our front 4 with an above average LB. That would be awesome!

My concern is if we go this route, the offense will be the second priority again. I see your logic and it makes sense, but I think our priority must be the OL.

If we sign young and sweat to long term deals, I am guessing it's about 20 million a year a piece right? That leaves us with 50 million for:
Draft class
OLine
LB
Depth

I am not sure we can do all of that. I could be wrong. We can't address everything in one offseason, as such, we must prioritize. To me, the first priority is the OLine. We must do this at some point and stop throwing stop gaps or journeymen at it.

Maybe we resign and sign
Young
Sweat
Elite OLineman 1
Elite OLineman 2

We the approach the draft with focuses on OLine, LB, and deptDepth?

The more I think about, maybe we should go quality over quantity?

I agree for the most part. My only push back is, shouldn't the "new GM" be deciding if we can or should keep Sweat and Young?

 

[redskinsfan1963]

If Washington loses today Ron Rivera won't have any say in who gets traded he is done here

hopefully that,s true

 

[Sportster 72]

You guys aren't good at patience, huh?

 

[redskinsfan1963]

You guys aren't good at patience, huh?

after 22 years of the same shit from one team,i,m fresh out of it.