Commanders News thread

[duke1861]

We aren’t done with the o/line but we aren’t locked into it in round one . Let’s not kid ourselves into thinking Leno and Wylie are anymore then avg though . Chase Roullier has had back to back career threatening the last 2 years in a row so I would look at center for sure

I just want to see it done right for once...that is all. I want us to go back to having an elite OLine. It takes money and high draft picks to do that. Like the Samuels, Jansen, and Thomas OLine we had. We used that as a foundation for years.

I personally think Rivera does NOT view the OLine as important as he should. If he did, he would not have pulled the stunt he did last year with the Guards.

 

[gkekoa]

We aren’t done with the o/line but we aren’t locked into it in round one . Let’s not kid ourselves into thinking Leno and Wylie are anymore than avg though . Chase Roullier has had back to back career threatening the last 2 years in a row so I would look at center for sure

In no way am I stating we are done with the OL; however, we are much better off than we were. OL unit ability and play changes every season. It just gets tiresome when people think you have to completely revamp an entire unit to see much improved play.

Leno is definitely no better than average but average is sometimes good enough. Wylie is probably a top 15-20 RT, so average is right.

Like you said, I do not think we are banking on Roullier. It would be nice if he came back but Gates can play the position and did so for NY.

I would love for us to improve our OL in the second, maybe the first round. I would love to have the quality at center to be there in the third.

The linemen we added takes away the desperation to make poor choices in the draft.

 

[gkekoa]

I just want to see it done right for once...that is all. I want us to go back to having an elite OLine. It takes money and high draft picks to do that. Like the Samuels, Jansen, and Thomas OLine we had. We used that as a foundation for years.

I personally think Rivera does NOT view the OLine as important as he should. If he did, he would not have pulled the stunt he did last year with the Guards.

And that idea was any better than RRs of defense first?

 

[duke1861]

And that idea was any better than RRs of defense first?

Yes sir...it secured multiple winning seasons and our only playoff win in 17 years.

Unfortunately, we had awful head coaches during that span as you know.

Defense first is a concept of the past. The game has passed Rivera by along with his philosophy.

 

[skinsdad62]

Yes sir...it secured multiple winning seasons and our only playoff win in 17 years.

Unfortunately, we had awful head coaches during that span as you know.

Defense first is a concept of the past. The game has passed Rivera by along with his philosophy.

Tell it to the 49ers

 

[duke1861]

Tell it to the 49ers

If i had Trent williams, kettle, Shanahan, and the #5 ranked offense, i would focus on the defense as well.

Or am I wrong? What is the major difference with the 49ers and commanders?

They have the #1 defense and #5 offense and have balance in their team.

We have no balance period. The numbers show that. They can literally address any side of the ball and it makes sense.

 

[gkekoa]

Yes sir...it secured multiple winning seasons and our only playoff win in 17 years.

Unfortunately, we had awful head coaches during that span as you know.

Defense first is a concept of the past. The game has passed Rivera by along with his philosophy.

Samuels had two winning seasons in his ten year career, 10-6 in 2005 and 9-7 in 2007. With Samuels, the Redskins enjoyed one 4 win season, two 5 win seasons, and two 6 win seasons.

Then you blame the lack of success on poor coaching instead of philosophy.

Is defense first a concept of the past?
2022- Buffalo, SF, and PHI were the top three defenses. KC was 11.
2020- TB held KC to 9 points in the SB as the #6 defense.
2018- NE won 13-3 with the #6 scoring defense.

Sorry but good defenses still win super bowls.

 

[duke1861]

Samuels had two winning seasons in his ten year career, 10-6 in 2005 and 9-7 in 2007. With Samuels, the Redskins enjoyed one 4 win season, two 5 win seasons, and two 6 win seasons.

Then you blame the lack of success on poor coaching instead of philosophy.

Is defense first a concept of the past?
2022- Buffalo, SF, and PHI were the top three defenses. KC was 11.
2020- TB held KC to 9 points in the SB as the #6 defense.
2018- NE won 13-3 with the #6 scoring defense.

Sorry but good defenses still win super bowls.

Didn't say they don't win super bowls. What I am saying is that this is an offensive driven league correct?

Of course defense is important. 2 of the teams you listed above had brady...who literally is one of the greatest qbs of all time. Rivera problem is that he has shown little balance.

It is my opinion that building the first is a thing of the past. 10 of top 11 passing offenses made the playoffs this year.

I think the Samuel's and Jansen teams were behind the 8 ball for several reasons. We can both admit that Zorn and Spurrier were awful correct?

That doesn't mean the concept of having a superior Oline was flawed.

 

[Sportster 72]

Problem is it seems like you are pivoting on your initial comments.

Of course offense is important. RR's problem has been finding a QB. You can't even blame last years line on him entirely. Scherff wanted out and no one in the NFL wanted Flowers for some reason. Of course two Carolina retreads and Roullier getting hurt made it even worse.

Right now Shanahan has an inexpensive QB, he has allocated a LOT of money to the DLine. 9ers are super physical, I would bet JDR wants the same.

My guess is EB is signing off on the offensive moves. Didn't you want him?

 

[duke1861]

Samuels had two winning seasons in his ten year career, 10-6 in 2005 and 9-7 in 2007. With Samuels, the Redskins enjoyed one 4 win season, two 5 win seasons, and two 6 win seasons.

Then you blame the lack of success on poor coaching instead of philosophy.

Is defense first a concept of the past?
2022- Buffalo, SF, and PHI were the top three defenses. KC was 11.
2020- TB held KC to 9 points in the SB as the #6 defense.
2018- NE won 13-3 with the #6 scoring defense.

Sorry but good defenses still win super bowls.

Upon further review, here is what I found with each of these teams. Again, I do not disagree with you that defense is important and vital to having a successful seasons. However, I will push back regarding defense first with the examples your provided.

2022: Offense (points per game average)
KC = 1st
BUF = 2nd
Philly = 3rd
SF = 6th
WSH = 24th


2022: Defense (point allowed per game average)
SF =1st
BUF = 2nd
WSH =7th
Philly = 8th
KC = 16th

2020: Offense
TB = 3rd

2020: Defense
TB = 8th

2018: Offense
NE = 4th

2018: Defense
NE = 7th

The examples you gave do not support a "defense first" approach as it was the offense that was statistically better in comparison to the rest of the league. It is true that the teams BUF, Philly, and SF had superior defenses, but the teams that actually were in the SB had better offenses than defenses statistically speaking. For example, KC had the #1 offense and #16 defense and Philly had the #3 offense and #8 defense. Can we really say these were "defense first" approaches? The only teams listed as having a true "defense first" approach is WSH. I could even see saying SF MIGHT have a defense approach. They were actually 4 points away from having the #4 overall offense, so I think it is just about a wash right?

The bottom line is that you need both. I picture it like a row boat in that you need equal oars rowing: one offense and one defense. The numbers clearly show that WSH has a much more effective defense than offense. IF the goal is to have a "defense first approach", then this is NOT the current trend in the NFL. If that is Rivera's plan, then why is he NOT doing more to close that gap if reports say we are pretty much done in FA and focusing on CB in the draft? One would think that 99% of the focus should be offense if he is wanting to have a more successful team and address the team's shortcomings.

 

[duke1861]

Problem is it seems like you are pivoting on your initial comments.

Of course offense is important. RR's problem has been finding a QB. You can't even blame last years line on him entirely. Scherff wanted out and no one in the NFL wanted Flowers for some reason. Of course two Carolina retreads and Roullier getting hurt made it even worse.

Right now Shanahan has an inexpensive QB, he has allocated a LOT of money to the DLine. 9ers are super physical, I would bet JDR wants the same.

My guess is EB is signing off on the offensive moves. Didn't you want him?

What comments am I pivoting on?

RR's problem is poor decision-making as he is NOT a GM. He gambled on Wentz, he stuck with Turner even though the offense was stagnant, and he did not adequately replace the Guards he lost. Scherff was out of his hands and he cut Flowers. Instead of looking for talent to replace them, he went with his CAR connections. How did it work out? Rivera has to be held accountable as he is the coach and he is the GM.

Shanahan also has one of the best LT in the game and a top 3 TE. He is also a top 2 play caller in the league. Comparing SF and WSH is silly to me as there are very different organizations and teams on the field.

Yes, I wanted EB because he was the best candidate we interviewed and targeted and he comes from a winning organization. That being said, he isn't the GM and still answers to Rivera. I am sure he is signing off on the signings; however, I am also sure he would be puzzled if we are done with FA upgrades and are looking to target CB with that 16th pick. Just a guess.

 

[gkekoa]

Upon further review, here is what I found with each of these teams. Again, I do not disagree with you that defense is important and vital to having a successful seasons. However, I will push back regarding defense first with the examples your provided.

2022: Offense (points per game average)
KC = 1st
BUF = 2nd
Philly = 3rd
SF = 6th
WSH = 24th


2022: Defense (point allowed per game average)
SF =1st
BUF = 2nd
WSH =7th
Philly = 8th
KC = 16th

2020: Offense
TB = 3rd

2020: Defense
TB = 8th

2018: Offense
NE = 4th

2018: Defense
NE = 7th

The examples you gave do not support a "defense first" approach as it was the offense that was statistically better in comparison to the rest of the league. It is true that the teams BUF, Philly, and SF had superior defenses, but the teams that actually were in the SB had better offenses than defenses statistically speaking. For example, KC had the #1 offense and #16 defense and Philly had the #3 offense and #8 defense. Can we really say these were "defense first" approaches? The only teams listed as having a true "defense first" approach is WSH. I could even see saying SF MIGHT have a defense approach. They were actually 4 points away from having the #4 overall offense, so I think it is just about a wash right?

The bottom line is that you need both. I picture it like a row boat in that you need equal oars rowing: one offense and one defense. The numbers clearly show that WSH has a much more effective defense than offense. IF the goal is to have a "defense first approach", then this is NOT the current trend in the NFL. If that is Rivera's plan, then why is he NOT doing more to close that gap if reports say we are pretty much done in FA and focusing on CB in the draft? One would think that 99% of the focus should be offense if he is wanting to have a more successful team and address the team's shortcomings.

I am not promoting a defense first approach either. I am promoting the best team possible. You do that by drafting the best players. Jonathan Allen fell big to us. Payne was best available. Sweat fell big. Chase was best available.

 

[Sportster 72]

Duke I have said go look at his draft compared to owners the previous years. He has done as well as anyone Washington has in the draft. Your dislike for RR is in almost every thread. The trade for Wentz was a mistake, Jackson was a mistake. I was not a fan of the hiring, I was a fan of hiring JDR. I hope the same for EB. In the time I have known you on the board if it isn't done your way you say they are making mistakes.

Right now we have a jigsaw puzzle. The team is accumulating pieces then in the spring and summer they'll figure out where to use them. I don't comment a lot at this time of year because I know I am not a GM. I also know that a lot of you have great fun this time of year, so have at it. There are way too many unknows right now to say they did it right or they did wrong. JMO.

 

[duke1861]

Duke I have said go look at his draft compared to owners the previous years. He has done as well as anyone Washington has in the draft. Your dislike for RR is in almost every thread. The trade for Wentz was a mistake, Jackson was a mistake. I was not a fan of the hiring, I was a fan of hiring JDR. I hope the same for EB. In the time I have known you on the board if it isn't done your way you say they are making mistakes.

Right now we have a jigsaw puzzle. The team is accumulating pieces then in the spring and summer they'll figure out where to use them. I don't comment a lot at this time of year because I know I am not a GM. I also know that a lot of you have great fun this time of year, so have at it. There are way too many unknows right now to say they did it right or they did wrong. JMO.

We will have to agree to disagree here as usual. You do you.

I am bouncing out of the discussion. Cheerio.

 

[kbso83432]

 

[gkekoa]

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Probably really good news considering how bad our OL has been and no real improvements.

 

[kbso83432]

Probably really good news considering how bad our OL has been and no real improvements.

We've signed two Chiefs and now the OL coach gets blown out. Bieniemy has some say in the building. I think Matsko is a good coach but was dealt a bad hand.

 

[deanpet21]

We've signed two Chiefs and now the OL coach gets blown out. Bieniemy has some say in the building. I think Matsko is a good coach but was dealt a bad hand.

An RR guy just got blown out like you said. I would think EB has some say in the building. lol

 

[skinz2winz]

Waller just traded to NY for a 3rd. WTF are we doing? This offense requires an athletic freak who can partially block (Kelce isn't great at it) and can run routes, catch and RAC. Waller would have fit the bill perfectly for EB. Please don't hedge your bet on Cole Turner.

 

[Sportster 72]

Waller 28 catches last year, Logan Thomas 39 catches.