Coaching up RG3...

[j_y19]

Let's just say for the sake of your scenario j_y...

RG is the man who built it. It isn't working right and he doesn't know how to fix it. In comes some hot shit engineer (KC) who not only fixes it, but improves it and/or builds something better or builds it the way it shoulda been built in the first place.

Who do you think that company goes to next time. It's not gonna be the guy who didn't get it done. In Redskins world. Cousins tried to improve it, but fixed the initial problem and caused other problems.

VT, I see RG3 as the expensive piece of equipment. KC is just a replacement piece of equipment that has its own issues, albeit much less expensive. I don't see the franchise backing down from the initial investment until those that Dan listen to tell him that he will never work. My guess is that this person is now the Scot M. When Scot goes to Dan and says its time to cut loses, RG3 will be behind center (barring injury which is a real possibility). Since Scot has no real investment in RG3, I also guess that he will not give him all season. I'm of the belief that if RG3 is still making the same mistakes and shows no improvement by Game 4 or so, he will be pulled.

Shark, I think KC will be next in line again, not Colt. Everyone knows what Colt is, and that is a career backup. We don't know what KC can become. While is upside isn't as high as Robert's, KC's mistakes are potentially correctable. If they can correct his mistakes, he has the potential to be a good QB in this league.

 

[deanpet21]

Shark thank you for agreeing with me that KC does not have a fair chance in this competition. jy KC is as good as gone next year if we don't give him a real shot this year. So if RG3 has an avg season we are going to have an overpaid average QB vs a guy who I believe is the better QB at half the cost. All young Qb's throw INT's as an organization will not be patient with KC and its going to cost us. I believe on the field and in the salary cap.

IF RG3 cant succeed with this offense there is really something wrong.

 

[Mitziman]

5 Things every successful NFL QB persistently does well.

1. Dependably passes the ball accurately
2. Unswervingly stands tall in the pocket without fear of being sacked
3. Normally understands what opportunities a defense gives him
4. Regularly displays good fundamentals
5. Reliable health to play the game

Now ask yourself this...how many of these does RG3 do well?

You can't change what a squirrel does, just like you can't coach up Michael Jordan to be a MLB baseball player...unless of course it's in a movie.

 

[Kevin12773]

Well I'm hoping he's been humbled enough to take real coaching to heart and for the love of God if the first read is open throw the damn ball. 3 seconds that's all he should be thinking about all off season long. Someone put a battery in his internal clock because he dosent have one currently.
I think we'll know pretty early this season what the future holds for him

 

[skinsdad62]

dean , you simply dont get it at all . if Rg3 fails he will be pulled and KC will have a shot to do what he failed to do the first time seize the job !!!!. KC blew his chance plain and simply so stop whining about a fair competition . KC didnt give gruden the reason to play him period in fact he got benched for mccoy as well .

you seem to think KC is entitled to the job he isnt he needs to earn it and you want him to have it fed to him with a silver spoon

 

[reptec101]

Thats the problem, this organization is so desperate for success they lack the patience needed to develope a franchise QB so they try and buy one as in RG3. This has been Snyders mindset since he bought the team. They continually handcuff themselves to that one player. Imo KC is the best option for this team. Ive come to this conclusion from watching all games last, in their case, 4 years. Again, so desperate they're not willing to stay with a QB because of late game meltdowns. If i remember right he did go clutch in the game against Baltimore when RG3 got hurt. Had they not put in McCoy to salvage an unsalvagable season and stayed with KC we would have an answer on him... But again, no patience.

 

[skinsdad62]

well the narrative about snyder and the past kind of came to an end when scotty came on board. i believe snyder trusts him and will let him develop the team

i like KC , i really do , but when you have the shot you have to seize it . if he had a win or 2 then perhaps you stick with him but no HC is going with a BU who produced 5 losses in a row during his tender while the starter sits after a game and a 1/2 in a new system

KC moved the team better then any qb we had/have on the roster but his mistakes killed us . i didnt see anything in KC's body language that would lead me to believe he could shake off the bad plays patience isnt going to cut it for either guy . its year 4 and its time to produce

gruden certainly isnt in a position to wait on a qb either hence his frustration with Rg3 in the first place . look at what you had , you had a qb who was pointing fingers at his teammates for his failings and the HC publicly dresses him down for it .

so i am quite sure if KC gave him a reason to play him , KC would have been the qb because he is what gruden wants in a qb , a guy who works within the offense and gets the ball to his playmakers

it is plain to see what the redskins are doing , the are giving Rg3 the opportunity for him to put up or shut up . once Rg3 has proven what he can do one way or the other then the debate will end . if he fails then KC will get his chance to show he is the guy or mccoy will come in and be caretaker till will draft a new qb in the draft

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

IF RG3 cant succeed with this offense there is really something wrong.

I remember someone, maybe it was you, who posted the same thing this time last year. It made no sense then and makes no sense now IMO. Last year's team was saddled with a bad OL. This year's team has the same issues and one draft pick and the promotion of a guy who have proven nothing doesn't really fix the problem. On top of that you have an unproven head coach and OC and only one play making TE who is constantly hurt. So we need to stop pretending that this is some stacked offense.

 

[skinsdad62]

I remember someone, maybe it was you, who posted the same thing this time last year. It made no sense then and makes no sense now IMO. Last year's team was saddled with a bad OL. This year's team has the same issues and one draft pick and the promotion of a guy who have proven nothing doesn't really fix the problem. On top of that you have an unproven head coach and OC and only one play making TE who is constantly hurt. So we need to stop pretending that this is some stacked offense.

dean wont do that . he is a flavor of the day guy . he is "everyfan " who believes every draft pick is a golden child and every FA signing will fit like a glove , to him depth is a catch phrase

he always comes out with unrealistic expectations and will call for the fo's head as soon as it goes south of his prediction and he will scratch his head as to why

wash , rinse , and repeat

 

[deanpet21]

Jackson, Garcon, Williams, and Morris are all potential or Pro Bowl players right now. You guys think we have an offense like the Titans or Jags. This offense has enough talent to compete in this league. Its not elite but its above average. A lot of teams would kill to have Jackson and Garcon on there teams as WR1 and 2. The reason why this offense is stuck in neutral is b/c of our QB play.

Im not the flavor of the day. I always backed KC and think he is be the better QB than RG3. Rg3 is a great athlete and I hope he does well but I don't think he is the better QB. Skinsdad you constantly play Monday morning QB on this board. I give my opinion and give you reasons why I have that particular opinion.

Its funny how people forget that when KC was in there are OL problems were not nearly as bad as when RG3 was in there. RG3 runs into a lot of sacks and holds on to the ball too long to create sacks. Im not defending the line but RG3 gives no help to this line b/c he does not know when to get rid of the ball. All running QB's take sacks but he was just brutal last year.

I don't know how you guys aren't excited this year. Our defense is vastly improved and if we get average QB play we should be a decent team.

 

[skinsdad62]

we have lavaou at LT , an undersized center who doesnt fit the new system , the right side has 0 pro snaps at their current positions and we dont have one BU o/lineman that is really good

if either garcon or djax goes down that production drops on defense we have no real depth at ILB , our starters have injury issues or are pedestrian . our secondary depends on if a guy can come back from achilles injuries a 30 something bust from tampa , another guy who has one career start and another who lost the entire season last year and was cut from the broncos

one of our key lineman is 34

our s[pecial teams cant block return or tackle anyone

KC is rex grossman the TO machine

 

[deanpet21]

How doesn't the defense have better talent this year than last year? Culliver, Pot Roast, and Paea were huge signings for this team. The question you have to ask yourself is do we have more talent this year than last?

 

[skinsdad62]

How doesn't the defense have better talent this year than last year? Culliver, Pot Roast, and Paea were huge signings for this team. The question you have to ask yourself is do we have more talent this year than last?

and what happens dean when 2 dont pan out do to injury or complacence ? that is our off season history in the snyder era

sure we are better but by how much ? what if kerrigan tears an acl ? then what ? we dont have solid depth dean . what we got is a good set of starters but if an injury occurs then what . robinson is a guy that we dont have a BU for

 

[deanpet21]

You can say that about any team. Their is depth at DL, OLB, and CB.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

KC did beat out RG3 in training camp last year. KC got pulled in the Titans game. He wasn't allowed to finish the game so you don't know what would of happened. Plus KC is still young and has no expere4ince so why does he have the quick hook and RG3 doesn't? We agree that there was nothing to be gained by playing McCoy so why was he playing last year? Total mismanagement by Gruden or the front office. You are foolish to believe that this QB competition is going to be fair this year. Synder is going to live and die with RG3. Us fans just have to take it. I hope RG3 wakes up this year b/c he is in a major fog.

Lol. You must have a very short memory. I seem to recall that even you gave up on Cousins last season after his turnover fest in his last several games. I also believe that most fans - myself & probably you included - were thrilled with McCoy after that Mon nt game with the Cowboys.

Let's be real here - for the most part both Cousins & RG3 were disappointments last season. I don't consider a QB having a little success in just part of the games to be a success. Moving forward - you start with making RG3 the starter - you move along to Cousins if he fails. If both fall short this season - you make plans next season to find another QB. I also don't buy the analogy of RG3 to a kid - he is a grown man on his 4th season - how much time do you need to give the guy? Eventually - folks need to be personally accountable & not blame everything on others.

IMO - the beauty of this is that this team can succeed in the relatively near future w/o either RG3 or Cousins. If one of them makes major strides & leads this team that will be an added bonus.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Go back if possible and you'll see that what I'm saying now I said then. In fact I was the singular voice insisting that Griffin should not start right away, primarily because of his deficiencies and zero experience functioning in a conventional pro offense. As you might guess, I was called everything short of satan himself back then. BTW: It really doesn't matter how Griffin was allowed to circumvent his development, point is, he was, and that is/was an organizational problem. Of course none of this is surprising to me, nor should it surprise followers of this team, after all, when a professional football franchise takes 15 years to realize that it needs a dedicated, professional GM to run proficiently, no one should be surprised that it's taken 3 years to put into place the structure that gives their franchise QB any hope of succeeding.

Sorry - but almost all teams are going to start a QB who is drafted in the 1st round right away. Go back & check the last 5-6 NFL drafts, and you will see that you will rarely find a QB drafted in the 1st round who is not starting either on day 1 or shortly thereafter.

If you recall last season - the Jags went out of their way to state that Bortles would not be a starter during his 1st year. However - sure enough within a few weeks he was thrown into the starting lineup. Any team would have placed RG3 in the starting lineup - whether he was ready or not. Granted - the Redskins have done plenty over the last several years to F this team up but starting RG3 in year one was not a mistake.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

He won't be handed the starting job, unless you also believe that J.Gruden is a spineless pathological liar, who is willing to destroy his first stint as HC by NOT playing the best player at the position.

BTW: there are many reasons (your term here is excuses) why he cannot succeed this year. Chief among them are unrealistic expectations, and failure to properly gauge what success looks like for a QB who is essentially in his first season under the tutelage of a professional QB coach.

Nobody is asking RG3 to lead the team to the SB or have an all pro season. My hope - & probably the hope of others - is to have this guy show strides that he will be the long term answer at QB. He needs to show that he can see the field better, get rid of the ball quicker, protect himself, etc. If he shows major improvement in these areas - regardless of the team record or his stats - then I believe that he can be viewed as a potential long term answer.

However - if he shows little to no improvement in these areas then you need to move along. If it were truly his 1st year then yes the team needs to show more patience. However - they can't wait around forever for him to correct his flaws while at the same time improving other areas to eventually make this team a contender. If RG3 shows little to no improvement next season then there is no guarantee that he will ever be a complete QB. I believe that is a fair approach.