Coaching up RG3...

[deanpet21]

I know jy that is why the QB competition will never be fair.

 

[skinsdad62]

KC did beat out RG3 in training camp last year. KC got pulled in the Titans game. He wasn't allowed to finish the game so you don't know what would of happened. Plus KC is still young and has no expere4ince so why does he have the quick hook and RG3 doesn't? We agree that there was nothing to be gained by playing McCoy so why was he playing last year? Total mismanagement by Gruden or the front office. You are foolish to believe that this QB competition is going to be fair this year. Synder is going to live and die with RG3. Us fans just have to take it. I hope RG3 wakes up this year b/c he is in a major fog.

i must have missed something because i thought Rg3 took the snaps opening day and not KC . and again the choice was justified because when KC took over he didnt win a freaking game dude .

i will go over it for you again . RG3 took the opening day snaps , KC came in when he was injured and failed to win a single game . his turnovers cost the team . there was/is no CSI theory keeping KC down . you have to seize the opportunity . KC failed too . He failed to force gruden into playing him over ANYONE . that is the bottom line dean . so far this off season KC and colt have failed to force gruden into playing him

KC is not entitled to anything nor is Rg3 but KC has to make the case and he hasnt . you have to knock out the champ and he simply hasnt done so

i like KC , i think the offense ran better when he was in however he is rex grossman at this point . a gunslinger who turns the ball over too much

 

[deanpet21]

you are missing the point skinsdad. Rg3 is only being played b/c of his draft status and the owners ego. If KC has a better preseason and training camp than RG3 do you think Synder and company will name KC the starter? NO way!!! This is what I mean by being unfair. RG3 would have to fail miserably in the regular season to force them to make a change. As of right now RG3 has been handed the starting Qb job and its just not fair b/c he has done nothing to deserve it.

 

[skinsdad62]

you are missing the point skinsdad. Rg3 is only being played b/c of his draft status and the owners ego. If KC has a better preseason and training camp than RG3 do you think Synder and company will name KC the starter? NO way!!! This is what I mean by being unfair. RG3 would have to fail miserably in the regular season to force them to make a change. As of right now RG3 has been handed the starting Qb job and its just not fair b/c he has done nothing to deserve it.

i am not missing the point . that is what losers say when they dont want to look at the facts . . snyder isnt the coach gruden is and i doubt SM would enter into a job agreement if he didnt have some kind of authority

and tell me where KC has "earned it " ? he hasnt , he was given the job by a coach who really isnt sold on Rg3 and he didnt seal the deal period . so Rg3 will have to lose the job now but if KC wants a chance he will have to show the coach that he needs to play him period because gruden benched the golden child fo mccoy and that is on the record

 

[Sharkinva]

you are missing the point skinsdad. Rg3 is only being played b/c of his draft status and the owners ego. If KC has a better preseason and training camp than RG3 do you think Synder and company will name KC the starter? NO way!!! This is what I mean by being unfair. RG3 would have to fail miserably in the regular season to force them to make a change. As of right now RG3 has been handed the starting Qb job and its just not fair b/c he has done nothing to deserve it.

Think of it like this, if Cousins is the better QB, then come next year one of two things happens.

1. Griffin proves he CAN be a franchise QB or at least a capable one and we resign him

2. Cousins proves in practice to Gruden that he CAN be a franchise QB or a reasonably productive QB and Gruden lobbies like hell for Cousins to be resigned and griffin let go.


No matter the reason, we are going to ride into the season with Griffin as our QB. Now I honestly hope he proves me totally wrong and will gladly admit it if he does.

 

[deanpet21]

The point is will the qb competition be fair and the answer is no. Of course we all hope RG3 does well b/c of the investment we have in him. The real test is if RG3 stinks it up will the franchise bench him for good. Rg3 is so protected by this franchise. All young Qb's throws INTs so how can you judge Cousins on a handful of starts? My fear is that we have to pay RG3 a boat load of money and we will end up losing the better QB in Cousins for probably half the cost.

 

[deanpet21]

NFL.com just did a story on QB battles in training camp and we weren't on it. I find it funny how people disagree with me that RG3 was handed the starting job this year. Here is the link

QB Battles Roundup: Where do they stand? - NFL.com

 

[j_y19]

The point is will the qb competition be fair and the answer is no. Of course we all hope RG3 does well b/c of the investment we have in him. The real test is if RG3 stinks it up will the franchise bench him for good. Rg3 is so protected by this franchise. All young Qb's throws INTs so how can you judge Cousins on a handful of starts? My fear is that we have to pay RG3 a boat load of money and we will end up losing the better QB in Cousins for probably half the cost.

Again,why is this a surprise? Of course it is not an open competition. The job is Robert's to lose. We've all given you the reasons why. Until he proves he can't do it, he is our starting QB.

 

[reptec101]

"I don't care... RG3 will start game one against Miami even if he looks terrible in pre-season" - Daniel Snyder

OK, I made that quote up but it can't be that far from the truth. Daniel's ego (whatever's left of it after 15 failed seasons) rides on the hope that RG3 becomes the 3 number 1's and a 2 draft picks we bought him for. ( I still say it was only 2 number 1's but that arguments been played out already.)

You draft O-line help with the 5th pick for two reasons. 1- you need help there bad. 2- give RG3 every chance to succeed or down the short road whatever QB is playing. I believe Gruden and Snyder have an agreement in place. RG3 starts no matter what but Gruden has the the protective cover flipped open to the eject button with finger hovering. Got a warm fuzzy feeling about KC.

Remember Bananaman? Sorta like the feeling I had with Bobbie Massey-starting RT for the Cards... while he raved all about Jonathan Martin... 2nd stringer at best with 3rd team whose feelings get hurt easily.. What a dumbshit BM was. Too funny.

 

[deanpet21]

I know that but its just bullshit. Their is nothing he has done on the field that warrants he should be the starting QB.

 

[deanpet21]

I agree reptec this is Synders decision. Hopefully this year Gruden has the authority to have the quick hook if he plays bad.

 

[Sleepy T]

Last I checked RG and KC were drafted the same year, so the "youth" and "experience" thing is off the table. As poorly as RG has played after year 1, Cousins has had plenty of opportunities in OTAs, training camps, and yes even in game reps and starts to seize the moment, shine, and make Griffin a complete after thought. As j_y said, if they are equally mediocre (and hey have been at best) then the nod will be given to RG because of the $$$ and the big upside.

I want someone to step up and be the guy..be a starter in this league. But until proven otherwise, I think Rg is a flop and KC and CM are career backups. Nothing they have done (despite a few flashes here and there from each one of them) makes me believe any of them will be the guy.

Once again...how many years do you give a guy to "get it" or develop. I think in a year or two we will be starting over at the QB position. Just my 2 cents.

 

[deanpet21]

RG3 has more starting exp. than KC and should be further along as a Qb but he is not VT.

 

[j_y19]

RG3 has more starting exp. than KC and should be further along as a Qb but he is not VT.

Here's the bottom line, dean. KC has done nothing to force the organization to start him over Robert. He has moved the offense, but so has Robert at times. He also didn't win any games while he had his chance. In fact, his play lost games. I'm a KC fan and would love to see him get another shot, but he hasn't earned the right to be starting over Robert at this point. If the decision is a draw, the champ always keeps the title.

 

[deanpet21]

yes jy but they are not allowing KC to try to win the job in camp. They already made up there minds before even camp started. That is bs.

 

[Sharkinva]

yes jy but they are not allowing KC to try to win the job in camp. They already made up there minds before even camp started. That is bs.

Actually its just called life dude. If Cousins had performed during the chances he did get, this wouldnt even be a topic. Right now neither of them have proven to be more than average. Griffin holds onto the ball toolong, and I think Kirk just threw another INT while he was taking a nap. And if we are going to be honest, its not even the INTs that are the problem with Kirk, its that he cant seem to get past it and his play tanks once he does get into that INT funk.

 

[j_y19]

yes jy but they are not allowing KC to try to win the job in camp. They already made up there minds before even camp started. That is bs.

I disagree. Let's assume you are the owner of a company. You decide to purchase a very expensive piece of equipment that everyone believes will revolutionize your business. And, yes, you are intimately involved in the decision. Once installed, it works real well for a period. Then it starts to break down. It has major bugs and didn't come with all the features you thought you were getting. Those features have to be developed. But most still tell you that if we can fix the bugs and get those features developed, it can still put you ahead of the competition. Given your investment, you aren't going to trash this equipment, at least until everyone tells you it can't be salvaged. That's where Snyder is with Robert. There are people inside and outside the organization that are telling him that Robert can still be fixed and will then be a difference maker. But he has got to play for those fixes to occur. I don't fault Snyder for telling his employees to make it work until it is clear that it will never work. Gruden was brought in specifically to make it work.

 

[skinsdad62]

I know that but its just bullshit. Their is nothing he has done on the field that warrants he should be the starting QB.

what about his rookie year and a playoff appearance ? KC has no career 1 career victory

I agree reptec this is Synders decision. Hopefully this year Gruden has the authority to have the quick hook if he plays bad.

yeah and i am sure snyder blessed off on the anointed one being benched for a career has been the facts dont back up your conclusions

RG3 has more starting exp. than KC and should be further along as a Qb but he is not VT.

why does he have more career starts ? could it be that KC hasnt taken the job ?. snyder wants to win and no coach will sit the better player and then get fired for not winning it was just as stupid the first time you uttered it

yes jy but they are not allowing KC to try to win the job in camp. They already made up there minds before even camp started. That is bs.

how do you "allow " Kc to win the job ? KC has to earn the job . you want the job handed to KC because he is your flavor of the day just like beasley , williams and fowler were in the draft . nary a mention of them now

do you think brady is in a qb competition ? or either manning ? luck ? big ben , rodgers ? uh no because the staff has made up their collective minds

news flash dean , the club wants to KNOW if RG3 is salvageable . that wont happen untile the regular seson starts . get over it !

 

[Sleepy T]

Let's just say for the sake of your scenario j_y...

RG is the man who built it. It isn't working right and he doesn't know how to fix it. In comes some hot shit engineer (KC) who not only fixes it, but improves it and/or builds something better or builds it the way it shoulda been built in the first place.

Who do you think that company goes to next time. It's not gonna be the guy who didn't get it done. In Redskins world. Cousins tried to improve it, but fixed the initial problem and caused other problems.

 

[Sharkinva]

Let's just say for the sake of your scenario j_y...

RG is the man who built it. It isn't working right and he doesn't know how to fix it. In comes some hot shit engineer (KC) who not only fixes it, but improves it and/or builds something better or builds it the way it shoulda been built in the first place.

Who do you think that company goes to next time. It's not gonna be the guy who didn't get it done. In Redskins world. Cousins tried to improve it, but fixed the initial problem and caused other problems.

VT,, with you scenario, the new guy came in and fixed the obvious problems. But he also created a whole new set of problems and the net result was still that the product did not perform as intended. Now we have two guys that both think they can fix it. You have to give one of them another shot, or get rid of both of them. And reality is, you are going to give the first shot to fix it this go round to The guy that every one THOUGHT would be a franchise QB, not the guy who most thought would take 3-4 years to develop into a starter to begin with. IM not defending the call mind you because I thought Griffin was a huge mistake from jump. But Cousins would have to come out and hand down outperform Griffin to take the starting role. And I agree he wont be given a fair chance at winning it. So unless Griffin totally sucks in camp and the preseason, Cousins wont even see the field unless Griffin AND McCoy get injured again.