Coaching up RG3...

[Mitziman]

Coaching up RG3 to play like an NFL QB must be like, teaching a squirrel the proper way to cross a highway.

It's just not part of their nature, and in the end…bad things happen.

 

[skinsdad62]

well they will have to , so far he is improving so lets see how he does under fire . i am done bashing him at this point . i am in support mode . when the games start then i will be tougher on him

but year 4 potential isnt a word i want to use . production is the word i want to use

 

[deanpet21]

It doenst matter guys. RG3 will be handed the starting QB job this year. Their is no excuse this year on why he can not succeed. Better line and better weapons. The better NFL QB is KC. RG3 is just and athlete. This franchise just cant not realize that.

 

[Stymietee]

It seems that no one here wants to admit that THIS is actually the first year that the organization deemed it necessary to put into place a structural basis from which he can learn to play the position in a traditional manner. Coincidence that it's setup with the hiring of S.M.? Not to me, I've said all along that he's been mismanaged***from day one. Hopefully, 3 years of crap has not retarded his ability to become a QB that we can all be proud of.

***One last point, if you still can't bring yourself to accept the mismanaged perspective, ask yourself this one question. Your answer should confirm my point. If we could go back to his rookie season and choose between the structure that Griffin came into and the present one, which would you choose?

 

[Stymietee]

It doenst matter guys. RG3 will be handed the starting QB job this year. Their is no excuse this year on why he can not succeed. Better line and better weapons. The better NFL QB is KC. RG3 is just and athlete. This franchise just cant not realize that.

He won't be handed the starting job, unless you also believe that J.Gruden is a spineless pathological liar, who is willing to destroy his first stint as HC by NOT playing the best player at the position.

BTW: there are many reasons (your term here is excuses) why he cannot succeed this year. Chief among them are unrealistic expectations, and failure to properly gauge what success looks like for a QB who is essentially in his first season under the tutelage of a professional QB coach.

 

[j_y19]

It seems that no one here wants to admit that THIS is actually the first year that the organization deemed it necessary to put into place a structural basis from which he can learn to play the position in a traditional manner. Coincidence that it's setup with the hiring of S.M.? Not to me, I've said all along that he's been mismanaged***from day one. Hopefully, 3 years of crap has not retarded his ability to become a QB that we can all be proud of.

***One last point, if you still can't bring yourself to accept the mismanaged perspective, ask yourself this one question. Your answer should confirm my point. If we could go back to his rookie season and choose between the structure that Griffin came into and the present one, which would you choose?

Ill concede he has been mismanaged, starting with dan Snyder. Will you concede that robert was a major contributor (not sole) in that mismanagement?

 

[skinsdad62]

i am not going to bash Rg3 but dean's comment borders on ridiculousness. no coach is going to play the lesser player and then get fired for the losing record . that is stupid always was stupid and will forever be stupid

now my expectations is he might fix 50% of his flaws in this off season and that is fair . i think fixing his mechanics , knowing the offense and trusting the offense and what he see's should be fixed

reading defenses , protecting himself , sensing pressure will take more time

 

[Stymietee]

Ill concede he has been mismanaged, starting with dan Snyder. Will you concede that robert was a major contributor (not sole) in that mismanagement?

Major contributor? Naw! I'll concede that he played a role, and that role was allowed to happen because there was a void in adult supervision. Here was this pro football novice coming into a league that was ill equipped to function the result is what we got from him and the team. This is no different than the manner in which we raise our children. Now notice the analogies: Ask any child to dance, read or throw a ball without any prior practice or structure and you get what you get. Give that same child some structure and time to work on those things and the results are night and day.

Everyone in the organization at the time he was drafted had far more time in the league than he, yet not one was thoughtfu or courageous enough to realize that he came out of a system that didn't prepare him for the NFL. Hell he never used a play book!! That his footwork was deficient, he couldn't read defenses, and had no practice in protecting himself. So, let's blame the kid for continuing to do all that he was allowed to do in those formative years instead of those most responsible for selecting a highly priced and valuable asset and failing to do everything possible to prepare and protect the same.

 

[j_y19]

Major contributor? Naw! I'll concede that he played a role, and that role was allowed to happen because there was a void in adult supervision. Here was this pro football novice coming into a league that was ill equipped to function the result is what we got from him and the team. This is no different than the manner in which we raise our children. Now notice the analogies: Ask any child to dance, read or throw a ball without any prior practice or structure and you get what you get. Give that same child some structure and time to work on those things and the results are night and day.

Everyone in the organization at the time he was drafted had far more time in the league than he, yet not one was thoughtfu or courageous enough to realize that he came out of a system that didn't prepare him for the NFL. Hell he never used a play book!! That his footwork was deficient, he couldn't read defenses, and had no practice in protecting himself. So, let's blame the kid for continuing to do all that he was allowed to do in those formative years instead of those most responsible for selecting a highly priced and valuable asset and failing to do everything possible to prepare and protect the same.

How did I know that was going to be your response? He was "allowed" to act the way he did. Really? So he has no real culpability in his failures to date, it's all someone else's fault. The fact is that Robert was empowered by Snyder and such empowerment "allowed" him to circumvent any phased development the shanahans had for turning him into a stereotypical QB. He demanded it happen immediately after year one. Well, he wasn't ready as we have all seen. Yet he thought he was. Could/should have shanahan exerted authority and slapped him down? Absolutely. But that's easy for us to say after the fact and not privy to what really happened in the looney farm we call Redskins Park.

 

[deanpet21]

skinsdad how is it ridiculous? Gruden played a hurt RG3 last year. KC beat RG3 out in training camp and pre season last year. But the lesser QB played. Why? RG3 started b/c Synder wants him to play. Gruden is just another puppet. I just think Gruden had a horrible rookie year for a coach. I hope that changes. Their is no way that this starting QB competition is going to be fair. The fact that Gruden is even talking about McCoy is crazy.

 

[Stymietee]

How did I know that was going to be your response? He was "allowed" to act the way he did. Really? So he has no real culpability in his failures to date, it's all someone else's fault. The fact is that Robert was empowered by Snyder and such empowerment "allowed" him to circumvent any phased development the shanahans had for turning him into a stereotypical QB. He demanded it happen immediately after year one. Well, he wasn't ready as we have all seen. Yet he thought he was. Could/should have shanahan exerted authority and slapped him down? Absolutely. But that's easy for us to say after the fact and not privy to what really happened in the looney farm we call Redskins Park.

Go back if possible and you'll see that what I'm saying now I said then. In fact I was the singular voice insisting that Griffin should not start right away, primarily because of his deficiencies and zero experience functioning in a conventional pro offense. As you might guess, I was called everything short of satan himself back then. BTW: It really doesn't matter how Griffin was allowed to circumvent his development, point is, he was, and that is/was an organizational problem. Of course none of this is surprising to me, nor should it surprise followers of this team, after all, when a professional football franchise takes 15 years to realize that it needs a dedicated, professional GM to run proficiently, no one should be surprised that it's taken 3 years to put into place the structure that gives their franchise QB any hope of succeeding.

 

[Stymietee]

skinsdad how is it ridiculous? Gruden played a hurt RG3 last year. KC beat RG3 out in training camp and pre season last year. But the lesser QB played. Why? RG3 started b/c Synder wants him to play. Gruden is just another puppet. I just think Gruden had a horrible rookie year for a coach. I hope that changes. Their is no way that this starting QB competition is going to be fair. The fact that Gruden is even talking about McCoy is crazy.

One or two things is going on with regards to the BU QB job. Either KC is not as good as many here believe him to be, hence a "competition."...........or..........Gruden has lost nearly all faith in KC and prefers by almost all accounts a journeyman (and that's being kind) over him.

I wonder if McCoy would already have secured the job, if Gruden had final say. Trust me, this fan base will riot if Gruden tries to pull that musical QB routine again this year. So for those of you believing that Griffin be placed on a very short leash, keep in mind what you're asking for in his stead..............PA announcer, "Now starting for your Washington football team, number 16 on the field, but number 1 in your hearts, the one, the only .....Colt McCoy?"

 

[j_y19]

Go back if possible and you'll see that what I'm saying now I said then. In fact I was the singular voice insisting that Griffin should not start right away, primarily because of his deficiencies and zero experience functioning in a conventional pro offense. As you might guess, I was called everything short of satan himself back then. BTW: It really doesn't matter how Griffin was allowed to circumvent his development, point is, he was, and that is/was an organizational problem. Of course none of this is surprising to me, nor should it surprise followers of this team, after all, when a professional football franchise takes 15 years to realize that it needs a dedicated, professional GM to run proficiently, no one should be surprised that it's taken 3 years to put into place the structure that gives their franchise QB any hope of succeeding.

If you were preaching this 3 years ago (and I have no reason to claim you weren't) then props go out to you. But the real props go out to those that said we should not have drafted him (of which I was not one). Because the weaknesses that are so glaring now should have been identified then by the organization. This proves your point about the lack of a qualified GM back then. Now, not to defend shanahan, but apparently he did express concern but was overruled by his bosses. Shame on him again. I see the RG3 fiasco as an error by many, not just one. Everyone has blame, including Robert. The FO for drafting him at the price they did. Shanahan for not nipping the circus in the bud, and RG3 for insubordination and arrogance.

 

[Lonewate44]

If you were preaching this 3 years ago (and I have no reason to claim you weren't) then props go out to you. But the real props go out to those that said we should not have drafted him (of which I was not one). Because the weaknesses that are so glaring now should have been identified then by the organization. This proves your point about the lack of a qualified GM back then. Now, not to defend shanahan, but apparently he did express concern but was overruled by his bosses. Shame on him again. I see the RG3 fiasco as an error by many, not just one. Everyone has blame, including Robert. The FO for drafting him at the price they did. Shanahan for not nipping the circus in the bud, and RG3 for insubordination and arrogance.

Agree with this...however.....Do I really need to point out the 36mil cap hit we got after we made traded all those picks to get RGIII......Shannahan has said...if we knew that was coming, he would not have made the trade...which I totally believe.....Losing all that money HURT the team..Hurt any plans to surround him with better talent.....Now I am not blaming that on RG's issues, but really folks...that is in the equation as well

 

[j_y19]

Agree with this...however.....Do I really need to point out the 36mil cap hit we got after we made traded all those picks to get RGIII......Shannahan has said...if we knew that was coming, he would not have made the trade...which I totally believe.....Losing all that money HURT the team..Hurt any plans to surround him with better talent.....Now I am not blaming that on RG's issues, but really folks...that is in the equation as well

No doubt that was a huge setback. That was compounded with the price for RG3 and basically we left our cupboards bare for 3+ years paying off both of those hits.

 

[skinsdad62]

skinsdad how is it ridiculous? Gruden played a hurt RG3 last year. KC beat RG3 out in training camp and pre season last year. But the lesser QB played. Why? RG3 started b/c Synder wants him to play. Gruden is just another puppet. I just think Gruden had a horrible rookie year for a coach. I hope that changes. Their is no way that this starting QB competition is going to be fair. The fact that Gruden is even talking about McCoy is crazy.

no he didnt beat him out or else he starts week one . KC played and he turned into an interception machine and lost it to the 3rd teamer . mccoy won a start KC didnt . believe me if KC was red hot he would have played and it would have been justified .

now you can excuse your way into the snyder CSI BS all you want but the proof is in the pudding . KC got the shot and didnt produce any wins and again to argue a coach will play the lesser guy to get fired because of a poor record is foolishness

 

[Sharkinva]

It seems that no one here wants to admit that THIS is actually the first year that the organization deemed it necessary to put into place a structural basis from which he can learn to play the position in a traditional manner. Coincidence that it's setup with the hiring of S.M.? Not to me, I've said all along that he's been mismanaged***from day one. Hopefully, 3 years of crap has not retarded his ability to become a QB that we can all be proud of.

***One last point, if you still can't bring yourself to accept the mismanaged perspective, ask yourself this one question. Your answer should confirm my point. If we could go back to his rookie season and choose between the structure that Griffin came into and the present one, which would you choose?

Sorry boss, but when you give up what we did, there is supposed to be very little learning curve. Thats like me asking you to pay 4 times the going rate for the car you want to buy AND telling you that you need to install the engine, put the wheels on and paint it.

The mis management was in the trade for him and the expectations associated with it. Had we got him at #6 where we were.. fine then you can play the we should have sat him card. Had he not come out and all but demanded to play in a style he was not capable of, then I might give him a partial pass. But he is just as responsible for the position he is in as the team at this point.

 

[skinsdad62]

Major contributor? Naw! I'll concede that he played a role, and that role was allowed to happen because there was a void in adult supervision. Here was this pro football novice coming into a league that was ill equipped to function the result is what we got from him and the team. This is no different than the manner in which we raise our children. Now notice the analogies: Ask any child to dance, read or throw a ball without any prior practice or structure and you get what you get. Give that same child some structure and time to work on those things and the results are night and day.

Everyone in the organization at the time he was drafted had far more time in the league than he, yet not one was thoughtfu or courageous enough to realize that he came out of a system that didn't prepare him for the NFL. Hell he never used a play book!! That his footwork was deficient, he couldn't read defenses, and had no practice in protecting himself. So, let's blame the kid for continuing to do all that he was allowed to do in those formative years instead of those most responsible for selecting a highly priced and valuable asset and failing to do everything possible to prepare and protect the same.

sorry but robert can control robert . studying film isnt a "mishandle " its a character issue . not knowing the playbook is a ROBERT issue not a GM/HC issue . i expect any employee of mine to study his job and be up to date if he still wants to be employed . pointing the finger at his team mates for his failings arent "mishandling issue " that is a robert issue . over half the issue in his game fall squarely on his lack of effort in preperation and professionalism

he had terry shea working with him on fundamentals and he didnt take the lessons to heart . he wasnt prepared to be a a pro qb in the pocket so shanny did what any coach with any common sense would have done . adjust the offense to suit his players talents and try to win

RG3 isnt hurt at all if he doesnt try to rush his way back into the lineup and put public pressure on the FO to do it perhaps the FO should have stood firm (that is a mishandle )

so yes he had a major role in it and for god sakes the guy went to college was 23 yrs old and is responsible for his own conduct . he let his own success go to his head and in the end it is his responsibility to act in the right manner .

stop making excuses for him , he knows right and wrong , his parents taught him right and wrong and he followed the path of being a spoiled diva

as for sitting him if your expectation was we should sit him for a year or 2 so he could be taught how to be a pocket passer then you are living in a world of theory and not reality . you have to play him for what you gave up for him .

 

[deanpet21]

KC did beat out RG3 in training camp last year. KC got pulled in the Titans game. He wasn't allowed to finish the game so you don't know what would of happened. Plus KC is still young and has no expere4ince so why does he have the quick hook and RG3 doesn't? We agree that there was nothing to be gained by playing McCoy so why was he playing last year? Total mismanagement by Gruden or the front office. You are foolish to believe that this QB competition is going to be fair this year. Synder is going to live and die with RG3. Us fans just have to take it. I hope RG3 wakes up this year b/c he is in a major fog.

 

[j_y19]

KC did beat out RG3 in training camp last year. KC got pulled in the Titans game. He wasn't allowed to finish the game so you don't know what would of happened. Plus KC is still young and has no expere4ince so why does he have the quick hook and RG3 doesn't? We agree that there was nothing to be gained by playing McCoy so why was he playing last year? Total mismanagement by Gruden or the front office. You are foolish to believe that this QB competition is going to be fair this year. Synder is going to live and die with RG3. Us fans just have to take it. I hope RG3 wakes up this year b/c he is in a major fog.

Cmon dean. You know why the leash is longer for Robert than Kirk. And it should be. We paid a fortune. We have to find out if he can be salvaged or not before we throw that huge investment away.