Carolina Panthers Fire OC and QB Coach

[Rock Strongo]

It's hardly the same thing though, is it? Brady putting his helmet up his RG's bum and falling forward = "a run play?"

oh, i understand...

a forward movement is a rush tho...

 

[Rock Strongo]

Not like Carolina. No where near like Carolina.

what of seattle?

 

[Dolemite censored]

no QB coach can save cam newton.

Title should be: QB Psychiatrist.

 

[Yo Tee]

Uhh, we lost last Sunday.

Was a helluva comeback, but...

Honestly, I get why people like Rock are so critical of Cam, and you've said the same thing: when he sucks, he ROYALLY sucks. That Atlanta game two weeks ago? Awful...I actually believed they were throwing that game, it was so bad.

There was one particular play, late in the game, Cam overthrew Olson, and Greg didn't even bother reaching a hand up, he just walked off the field.

Cam is 3-4 in the playoffs with a Super Bowl appearance. Hardly the same thing as never winning a playoff game. I get why people are critical too but you gotta see everything as a whole. Cam is not a throwing QB, he's a mobile QB who, when he uses his legs, helps he team so much more than when he uses his arm. When Cam is good, he is AMAZING. When he's bad, he is one of the worst you can put on the field.

 

[Yo Tee]

what of seattle?

Seattle has gone away from using Wilson as a running QB. They've let him run less and less the last 2 years and look how bad they've looked. Nothing like the supreme team that won the Super Bowl.

 

[eaglesnut]

They've done nothing for their teams. Stafford can't even win a playoff game. Rivers hasn't done anything in 8 years. Like I said, you can throw for as many yards as you want to but if you can't win a playoff game or even make the playoffs, why would I pick you over a guy who's been to the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 years, won an NFC title, been to a Super Bowl, won an MVP and is the best dual threat QB in the NFL right now?

Steelers fans are Rivers haters. So we can leave that aside as part of your bias. He is one of the best of the era.

Stafford has been a stud year in and year out. He's played with no run game and poor defenses most of his career. Your limited investigation into exactly one item ignores much of the data.

 

[Yo Tee]

im right. data is data.

a QB's job in the NFL is to be a thrower first. cam isnt a good one. he wasnt in 2015.

"vince young was awesome, he could run too"

A QB's job in the 1980's 1990's NFL is to be a thrower first. That ain't the way it is anymore.

 

[soxfan1468927]

yeah, this isnt my job. i looked fast. mea culpa?

interesting about your list...

6 in 20 years, with the last one before cam being 2009. that makes sense.

2016 Cam Newton 59%, 3900 yards, 35 TD's (new, passing friendly rules)
2009 Peyton Manning - 68.8%, 4500 yards, 33 TD's
2008 Peyton Manning - 66.8%, 4002 yards, 29 TD's
2003 Peyton Manning - 67%, 4267 yards, 29 TD's
2002 Rich Gannon - 67.6%, 4689 yards, 26 TD's
1997 Brett Favre - 59.3%, 3867 yards, 35 TD's (old rules)

so since 1997, 2 QB's have won an MVP with a sub 60% completion. the last guy to do it was favre, in a time when DB's could play defense. Cams the only guy in the past 20 yards to do that. Cams also the 1st QB since fave in 97 to win MVP with under 4000 yards passing.
cam is literally the only MVP in the new rules era to not have 4k in passing and not reach 60% comp%

THATS true.

That's not true.

2010 Tom Brady: 3900 yards passing
2003 Steve McNair: 3215 yards passing

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Cam is 3-4 in the playoffs with a Super Bowl appearance. Hardly the same thing as never winning a playoff game.

I hear ya, but put Stafford on those same Carolina teams, and he might also have gone 3-4. He can definitely sling it.

Now, Cam's ability to run does open up the game in a different way, but we've seen teams key in on him, take away his legs and make him throw it. Sometimes he makes them pay, sometimes he looks like ass.

Few people are as big of a Cam fan as me, though. I love the guy.

 

[Yo Tee]

Steelers fans are Rivers haters. So we can leave that aside as part of your bias. He is one of the best of the era.

Stafford has been a stud year in and year out. He's played with no run game and poor defenses most of his career. Your limited investigation into exactly one item ignores much of the data.

Steelers fans are Rivers haters? That doesn't even make any sense. Noone is saying he's not a good QB or not one of the best. I said he hasn't done anything in the last 8 years for his team. That's not a lie.

Stafford is a stat machine. That's all he is. He throws up the numbers but doesn't throw up the success. 0 playoff wins in 10 years. Cam has 3 in the last 5. Come on now. Yay, he threw for almost 5,000 yards. Where's the playoff win? Wow, he's on his way to passing records. How come they've only made the playoffs 3 times since he's been QB?

Stafford and Rivers are going to go down as two of the best passers in NFL history. No arguing that. But Cam Newton is a better athlete, he's a better talent and he's got better success than both of them.

 

[Yo Tee]

I hear ya, but put Stafford on those same Carolina teams, and he might also have gone 3-4. He can definitely sling it.

Now, Cam's ability to run does open up the game in a different way, but we've seen teams key in on him, take away his legs and make him throw it. Sometimes he makes them pay, sometimes he looks like ass.

Few people are as big of a Cam fan as me, though. I love the guy.

if you take away Cam's running stats, Carolina has one of the bottom 5 running games in the league. Carolina also has the worst, statistically, group of receivers in the league. The more Cam runs, the better Carolina does. That's the kinda QB he is so that's the kind of offense Carolina runs.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Steelers fans are Rivers haters? That doesn't even make any sense. Noone is saying he's not a good QB or not one of the best. I said he hasn't done anything in the last 8 years for his team. That's not a lie.

Stafford is a stat machine. That's all he is. He throws up the numbers but doesn't throw up the success. 0 playoff wins in 10 years. Cam has 3 in the last 5. Come on now. Yay, he threw for almost 5,000 yards. Where's the playoff win? Wow, he's on his way to passing records. How come they've only made the playoffs 3 times since he's been QB?

Stafford and Rivers are going to go down as two of the best passers in NFL history. No arguing that. But Cam Newton is a better athlete, he's a better talent and he's got better success than both of them.

Yeah Cam did soooo much in 2 of those 3 wins.

 

[Yo Tee]

Yeah Cam did soooo much in 2 of those 3 wins.

Still better than not winning at all. Or not making the playoffs at all.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Still better than not winning at all. Or not making the playoffs at all.

It's a team sport.

 

[Yo Tee]

It's a team sport.

Thanks for clarifying that.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Seattle has gone away from using Wilson as a running QB. They've let him run less and less the last 2 years and look how bad they've looked. Nothing like the supreme team that won the Super Bowl.

well, thats because the legion of flashinthepan is gone too (why seatltes not what they were)

wilson lead his team in rushing. so he runs. a lot. he had double the yards he did in 2016.

yards by year

489
539
849
553
259
586

your statement doesnt enritely add up.

 

[Rock Strongo]

A QB's job in the 1980's 1990's NFL is to be a thrower first. That ain't the way it is anymore.

ok. so cam is in a run first offense?

is that true?

 

[Rock Strongo]

That's not true.

2010 Tom Brady: 3900 yards passing
2003 Steve McNair: 3215 yards passing

ok

yeah, this isnt my job. i looked fast. mea culpa?

interesting about your list...

6 in 20 years, with the last one before cam being 2009. that makes sense.

2016 Cam Newton 59%, 3900 yards, 35 TD's (new, passing friendly rules)
2009 Peyton Manning - 68.8%, 4500 yards, 33 TD's
2008 Peyton Manning - 66.8%, 4002 yards, 29 TD's
2003 Peyton Manning - 67%, 4267 yards, 29 TD's
2002 Rich Gannon - 67.6%, 4689 yards, 26 TD's
1997 Brett Favre - 59.3%, 3867 yards, 35 TD's (old rules)

so since 1997, 2 QB's have won an MVP with a sub 60% completion. the last guy to do it was favre, in a time when DB's could play defense. Cams the only guy in the past 20 yards to do that. Cams also the 4th QB since favre in 97 to win MVP with under 4000 yards passing. so he is one of 1 since 97 with a sub 60% comp, and one of 4 to win MVP with under 4k yards passing (i forgot mcnair and peyton were co-mvp)
cam is the only MVP QB in the new rules era to not have 4k in passing and not reach 60% comp%

THATS true.

 

[Yo Tee]

well, thats because the legion of flashinthepan is gone too (why seatltes not what they were)

wilson lead his team in rushing. so he runs. a lot. he had double the yards he did in 2016.

yards by year

489
539
849
553
259
586

your statement doesnt enritely add up.

Rushing yards is different from rushing attempts. Usually, when Wilson rushes under 100 times, the Seahawks don't do very well. Aside from 2013.

In the last two years, Wilson has rushed under 100 times. Seattle's offense was ranked 18th and 11th.
In the 2014 and 2015, Wilson has rushed more than 100 times. Seattle's offense was ranked 4th and 10th.

 

[Yo Tee]

ok. so cam is in a run first offense?

is that true?

Don't know. Cam is in an offense that knows what Cam's abilities are and the play callers use those abilities in their play calling. Obviously, they'd like Cam to throw, but they know his throwing abilities are limited. But where Cam lacks in his arm, he makes up for in his legs. Once again, they know that and use it to their advantage.