Cap will be 132MM+

[tw1st3d]

I use spottrac to look at as well & it shows his dead money at over 16 mil if he is cut this year. so yeah after june it splits up but still costs us over 16 mil to cut.

I'll go ahead and tell you what he is thinking ..... cut him and you dont owe the misc bonus or signing bonus ..... thats the only way he gets his numbers ONLY fucking way

what he doesnt understand is .... when you cut a player that is ALL guaranteed money .... ( except making the roster)
Cap hit treats it like he will .... and cap relief comes the NEXT year in what they call roll over

Nets is as good if not better than me at the cap .... and he can back that up


This dude is way the fuck off

 

[tw1st3d]

In this case the figure of $16,868,000 is the amount of money Carr has already been paid that has not yet been accounted for under the cap. Carr's contract was for $26M over 2 years. The remaining years are non-guaranteed option years that the Cowboys can keep or cut.

The dead money figures also includes guaranteed future salaries that obviously haven't been paid yet - such as is the case for Romo. This does not apply to Carr or Ware who have no future guarantees.

Later edit: That $16,868,000 has to be accounted for at some stage regardless of whether or not Carr stays with the team. The Spotrac figures make it easy to see when it's due to be accounted for. Releasing him brings future figures forward.

where are you getting this? 2 years?

Ok by what you say ... ( he has been here two years) we can release him for free? Are you reading a comic book?

 

[tw1st3d]

Jesus fucking Christ at ignorance ....

scroll down on the website you use

Signing Bonus: $10 million
$25.5 million guaranteed (2012-2013 salaries, signing bonus)
2013 Restructure Bonus: $13.585 million / 5 years

 

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What should Cowboys do with Brandon Carr? - ESPN

 

[tw1st3d]

What should Cowboys do with Brandon Carr? - ESPN

well there ya go .... the same news people that had Tiger Woods in the hospital .... dying 12 hours after he was released


ESPN is the Jerry Springer of sports ......... Shock value at it's best

Thats why no true sports fan watches their shit anymore ..... unless they want to catch the scores they missed

oh and thats on ESPN 2

 

[Schmoopy1000]

What should Cowboys do with Brandon Carr? - ESPN

it says what I was saying. Cutting him will cost us over 16 mil. Whether it is in one year or two (after june 1st cuts) still doesn't make it a reasonable cut. 4. whatever this year & 12. whatever next year. So not only would we lose 16 mil in dead money, but then we have to replace that contract with another for the new player. never gonna happen. he is realistically uncuttable this season.

 

[tw1st3d]

it says what I was saying. Cutting him will cost us over 16 mil. Whether it is in one year or two (after june 1st cuts) still doesn't make it a reasonable cut. 4. whatever this year & 12. whatever next year. So not only would we lose 16 mil in dead money, but then we have to replace that contract with another for the new player. never gonna happen. he is realistically uncuttable this season.

I like you .... you say some of the things I say .... Just nicer .....

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

[fastforward]

it says what I was saying. Cutting him will cost us over 16 mil. Whether it is in one year or two (after june 1st cuts) still doesn't make it a reasonable cut. 4. whatever this year & 12. whatever next year. So not only would we lose 16 mil in dead money, but then we have to replace that contract with another for the new player. never gonna happen. he is realistically uncuttable this season.

You don't lose $16M by cutting him any more than you save $16M by keeping him. If you cut him before June 1st all $16M counts towards the cap this year instead of $4.7M, but you'll have $4.7M extra cap space in 2015 and 2016 plus $2.7M extra space in 2017 that was scheduled for Carr's cap hits. If you cut Carr post June 1st he'll count as $4.7M this year and $12.2M in 2015. You'd have extra space in 2016 and 2017. Even if you cut him post June 1st in 2015 you'll still be accounting for his $16M cap hit over 4 years but you'll be adding his $7.5M 2014 salary to it. As stated in the original post moving cap money back is easy and it can be done to cover 2015 hits for Carr and Austin. It's purely a question of whether you want to keep either or both of them for 2014 on their current salaries or cut them post June 1st, save on their 2014 salaries, but move their post 2015 cap hits into 2015.

 

[tw1st3d]

You don't lose $16M by cutting him any more than you save $16M by keeping him. If you cut him before June 1st all $16M counts towards the cap this year instead of $4.7M, but you'll have $4.7M extra cap space in 2015 and 2016 plus $2.7M extra space in 2017 that was scheduled for Carr's cap hits. If you cut Carr post June 1st he'll count as $4.7M this year and $12.2M in 2015. You'd have extra space in 2016 and 2017. Even if you cut him post June 1st in 2015 you'll still be accounting for his $16M cap hit over 4 years but you'll be adding his $7.5M 2014 salary to it. As stated in the original post moving cap money back is easy and it can be done to cover 2015 hits for Carr and Austin. It's purely a question of whether you want to keep either or both of them for 2014 on their current salaries or cut them post June 1st, save on their 2014 salaries, but move their post 2015 cap hits into 2015.

Just stop ....

that is one long run together sentence .........

and you're wrong

 

[Schmoopy1000]

You don't lose $16M by cutting him any more than you save $16M by keeping him. If you cut him before June 1st all $16M counts towards the cap this year instead of $4.7M, but you'll have $4.7M extra cap space in 2015 and 2016 plus $2.7M extra space in 2017 that was scheduled for Carr's cap hits. If you cut Carr post June 1st he'll count as $4.7M this year and $12.2M in 2015. You'd have extra space in 2016 and 2017. Even if you cut him post June 1st in 2015 you'll still be accounting for his $16M cap hit over 4 years but you'll be adding his $7.5M 2014 salary to it. As stated in the original post moving cap money back is easy and it can be done to cover 2015 hits for Carr and Austin. It's purely a question of whether you want to keep either or both of them for 2014 on their current salaries or cut them post June 1st, save on their 2014 salaries, but move their post 2015 cap hits into 2015.

I understand we can continue to kick the can down the road, but however we word it. it is still 16.8 mil in "dead money" if he is cut this year. Whether it hits us in 14 or in 14 & 15.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

and you would be correct ...... uncuttable

Romo new contract
Carr ( his is a crazy contract (( no room to restructure)) the way it's done
Lee NEW contract
Scandrick New contract ( Extension)

Let me change that ... you could cut everyone but Romo .......... but what a fucking hit and you still have to hit the 80% rule ( or someone said 85% rule) ...... that is what will make it impossible

Can't cut Romo this season; BUT if you don't touch his contract this off season, as of now you would save about 6MM if you cut him 2015

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

I'll go ahead and tell you what he is thinking ..... cut him and you dont owe the misc bonus or signing bonus ..... thats the only way he gets his numbers ONLY fucking way

what he doesnt understand is .... when you cut a player that is ALL guaranteed money .... ( except making the roster)
Cap hit treats it like he will .... and cap relief comes the NEXT year in what they call roll over

Nets is as good if not better than me at the cap .... and he can back that up


This dude is way the fuck off

I understand what you and this guy are both saying, and to be honest, both of you are correct if I am reading this right. It's just you both are saying it differently. He is saying that Carr's 2014 cap hit is as of now is 12MM or so, but to cut him will cost us about 16MM or so which will be an extra 4MM on this year's cap figure, at least I think that is what he is saying lol. Haven't had much time to read everything; but I will do so when I get back home in a few hours. Try not to kill no one bro while I'm gone lol

P.S. Carr's contract the way it is means he will almost surely be here the next two years, it does us no good to cut him this year or next.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

I understand what you and this guy are both saying, and to be honest, both of you are correct if I am reading this right. It's just you both are saying it differently. He is saying that Carr's 2014 cap hit is as of now is 12MM or so, but to cut him will cost us about 16MM or so which will be an extra 4MM on this year's cap figure, at least I think that is what he is saying lol. Haven't had much time to read everything; but I will do so when I get back home in a few hours. Try not to kill no one bro while I'm gone lol

P.S. Carr's contract the way it is means he will almost surely be here the next two years, it does us no good to cut him this year or next.

that is pretty much what I was saying

 

[jarntt]

It would cost 16.86 million to cut Carr....... even if you make it post June 1st that's 8.43 over 2 years

And you can ONLY spread it over 2 years

It's not 50/50. If you cut him after June 1st the Current year cap incurs the same amount of signing bonus and other misc hits as if you kept him. The rest of the hit goes into the next year. So in Carrs case the $16.9M in dead money would be split: 2014 - $4.7M; 2015 - $12.1M.

 

[tw1st3d]

I understand what you and this guy are both saying, and to be honest, both of you are correct if I am reading this right. It's just you both are saying it differently. He is saying that Carr's 2014 cap hit is as of now is 12MM or so, but to cut him will cost us about 16MM or so which will be an extra 4MM on this year's cap figure, at least I think that is what he is saying lol. Haven't had much time to read everything; but I will do so when I get back home in a few hours. Try not to kill no one bro while I'm gone lol

P.S. Carr's contract the way it is means he will almost surely be here the next two years, it does us no good to cut him this year or next.

I know what he was saying .... and I do think you are better at the cap than I am .. ( I think I have a pretty good grasp on it though)

Some of the shit coming out of his mouth just wasnt adding up

Glad you're back though ..... Good football conversation is always wanted and needed


PS I dont lose my temper currently ( that may change) ... life is going pretty good .... no longer feel the need to vent on a message board ... I just want to talk football

 

[jarntt]

Can't cut Romo this season; BUT if you don't touch his contract this off season, as of now you would save about 6MM if you cut him 2015

If we don't touch his contract this year at all it will mean we are cutting him sometime soon. No other reason with his contract and our cap problem to let it sit as is, when it was structured to do so.

 

[Manster7588]

Can't cut Romo this season; BUT if you don't touch his contract this off season, as of now you would save about 6MM if you cut him 2015

If we don't touch his contract there is no way to get under the cap and still have a team.

 

[tw1st3d]

If we don't touch his contract there is no way to get under the cap and still have a team.

EXACTLY .....


meaning not gonna be cut .... and not an option

 

[UK Cowboy]

EXACTLY .....


meaning not gonna be cut .... and not an option

He was never gonna get cut. Barring injury, Romo will be the teams starter for at least 3-4 more years

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

I know what he was saying .... and I do think you are better at the cap than I am .. ( I think I have a pretty good grasp on it though)

Some of the shit coming out of his mouth just wasnt adding up

Glad you're back though ..... Good football conversation is always wanted and needed


PS I dont lose my temper currently ( that may change) ... life is going pretty good .... no longer feel the need to vent on a message board ... I just want to talk football

Thanks bro good to be back....I need to try and find more free time to get on here though