Cap will be 132MM+

[Pencil Sharpener]

At the end of the day, it looks like we will be about 19MM over the cap starting next month when the NFL year starts. Getting to and under the cap will not be a problem. The question is though how do you do it? Do you touch Romo's deal, cut Ware, etc. how would you go about doing this?

Getting to the cap is as easy as restructure of Romo, Scandrick, and Lee.

You could create about another 18MM be restructuring Ware, Wit, and Carr.

As well as about another 5MM by cutting Costa, Parnell, Durant, and Orton retire.

That is about 23MM not including a pay cut or post June 1st cut of Miles which would cover the rooks.

So I suppose my question is do you create this 23MM in cap space and go all out this season? Or do you do right and manage for the future?

If I told you that with the 23MM created we would sign DE Hardy, S Byrd, and DT Melton, would you do it?

Just curious, btw I find it funny how everyday the team's cap situation which was once soooooooooooo bad is now looking not so bad, and just wait until next year's increase which will be far more than this season's.

Hell no I would not do it. These other idiots might do it (FYI I have not read any other posts besides this one) but I am tired of pushing money back.

That said a little money pushed back for Byrd would be sweet but still not break the cycle of stupidity in DFW. I say no, and fuck it all, we roll with what we got. Haters gonna hate, and fakers gonna fake

 

[Pencil Sharpener]

I totally agree with you

Romo will be restructured ...... That's a given and they planned to do that when they signed him

I agree on Ware as well ... but just the other day Garrett pretty much said Ware is staying a Cowboy.
What I can actually see them doing with Ware is giving him an extension ....1-2 more years. and spreading his big pay this year over those two seasons

I dont understand why anyone wants to part with Durant. He's a good solid football player not making big money at all. If you get rid of him you have to go out and get someone to replace him .... so you aaren't actually saving money. I don't really think anyone possibly believes you can go get a UDFA OLber that is a 100+ tackle Lber ..... and that's what Durant is.

If I move Carr's money ... it's just enough to get under the cap. He fell apart after Johnson ripped him up last year .... and he needs to prove he can get back to form if not it will be time to part ways with him and his huge contract

Carr got torn up because he is asked to play zone when he is a press-man corner. Same with Claiborne. We literally invested all this money and resources into our biggest need, only to FUCK them prison style by having Jerry switch "his" team to a Tampa 2/ Zone team

 

[Schmoopy1000]

I wish we would play more press coverage. We have to fix the DL before worrying about CBs in my opinion.
As far as Carr's contract. Is he overpaid? Yes. But that ship has sailed.
Now I don't think he is cuttable realistically. I am sure someone can figure out a way to make it happen, but it isn't realistic IMO. They will redo his contract & that will push money back. it is the only realistic option. Now hopefully we try & cater the defense to his style of play somewhat. Instead of trying to force a square peg in a round hole.

 

[tw1st3d]

I wish we would play more press coverage. We have to fix the DL before worrying about CBs in my opinion.

I think the difference with Rod running shit will be he will scheme to player strengths rather than push his own system .... He was great at that in Chicago

 

[Schmoopy1000]

I think the difference with Rod running shit will be he will scheme to player strengths rather than push his own system .... He was great at that in Chicago

yeah I am hoping so. Also once we get the DL back up to par, will help the DBs a ton. Also allowing the DC to play more press.

 

[tw1st3d]

yeah I am hoping so. Also once we get the DL back up to par, will help the DBs a ton. Also allowing the DC to play more press.

Theres a good read on cowboys.com right now .... about how much the front 7 mean to him and him fixing it this offseason.

 

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I wish we would play more press coverage. We have to fix the DL before worrying about CBs in my opinion.
As far as Carr's contract. Is he overpaid? Yes. But that ship has sailed.
Now I don't think he is cuttable realistically. I am sure someone can figure out a way to make it happen, but it isn't realistic IMO. They will redo his contract & that will push money back. it is the only realistic option. Now hopefully we try & cater the defense to his style of play somewhat. Instead of trying to force a square peg in a round hole.

Releasing Carr as a post June 1st cut is realistic if he's not worth near the $7.5M salary he's due in 2014. He has scheduled cap hits of $4.717M in 2014 and 2015 in addition to whatever he receives as a salary. Releasing him post June 1st would bring forward his 2016 and 2017 cap hit total of $7.434M into 2015. That $7.434M hit can't be avoided, it's just a matter of when you deal with it. If Carr is worth within $1.5M or so, (or would take a salary cut to within $1.5M of what he's worth), then keeping him would be a judgement call. If you think he's worth $4.5M and he won't take a cut then releasing him is the best move.

 

[tw1st3d]

Releasing Carr as a post June 1st cut is realistic if he's not worth near the $7.5M salary he's due in 2014. He has scheduled cap hits of $4.717M in 2014 and 2015 in addition to whatever he receives as a salary. Releasing him post June 1st would bring forward his 2016 and 2017 cap hit total of $7.434M into 2015. That $7.434M hit can't be avoided, it's just a matter of when you deal with it. If Carr is worth within $1.5M or so, (or would take a salary cut to within $1.5M of what he's worth), then keeping him would be a judgement call. If you think he's worth $4.5M and he won't take a cut then releasing him is the best move.

Where do you get your information at? I'm not being an ass ...... but you are so far off on the cap it seems unreal for you to keep talking about it.

It would cost 16.86 million to cut Carr....... even if you make it post June 1st that's 8.43 over 2 years

And you can ONLY spread it over 2 years

and 7.5 million salary????? .... he is due 12.2 ....... 7.5 is base salary


where did you dream up 4.7 over 2 years?

 

[tw1st3d]

Carr's contract

2014 7,500,000 2,000,000 2,717,000 12,217,000 16,868,000
2015 8,000,000 2,000,000 2,717,000 12,717,000 12,151,000
2016 9,100,000 2,000,000 2,717,000 13,817,000 7,434,000

First is base ... Second is signing bonus ... 3rd is incentives ( roster bonus ect ect) 4th is cap hit ... 5th is what it would cost to cut ( AKA dead money)


His contract fucking was stupid ignorant and is gonna hurt this team

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Releasing Carr as a post June 1st cut is realistic if he's not worth near the $7.5M salary he's due in 2014. He has scheduled cap hits of $4.717M in 2014 and 2015 in addition to whatever he receives as a salary. Releasing him post June 1st would bring forward his 2016 and 2017 cap hit total of $7.434M into 2015. That $7.434M hit can't be avoided, it's just a matter of when you deal with it. If Carr is worth within $1.5M or so, (or would take a salary cut to within $1.5M of what he's worth), then keeping him would be a judgement call. If you think he's worth $4.5M and he won't take a cut then releasing him is the best move.

the site I look at has if cut 16,868,000 of dead money. Now I don't know how that splits up after june 1st cuts, but the point would still be we are pushing money into the future only without the player. Instead of redoing his contract. Again I am sure some brainiac capologist can come up with a way where we cut him instead of redoing his contract, but I don't see how that is realistic.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

to me there are 4 players that are uncuttable (realistically) as far as cap is concerned.

Tony Romo
Brandon Carr
Sean Lee
Orlando Scandrick

 

[tw1st3d]

to me there are 4 players that are uncuttable (realistically) as far as cap is concerned.

Tony Romo
Brandon Carr
Sean Lee
Orlando Scandrick

and you would be correct ...... uncuttable

Romo new contract
Carr ( his is a crazy contract (( no room to restructure)) the way it's done
Lee NEW contract
Scandrick New contract ( Extension)

Let me change that ... you could cut everyone but Romo .......... but what a fucking hit and you still have to hit the 80% rule ( or someone said 85% rule) ...... that is what will make it impossible

 

[tw1st3d]

and reguarless of what anyone thinks you CANNOT walk into a season with 50 million in dead money and meet the NFL rule requirement .......

team will be fined .... be it draft picks ... be it cap space ..... but will be a fine and it wont be pretty

Ask a redskin fan .... about releasing Haynesworth

 

[Schmoopy1000]

and you would be correct ...... uncuttable

Romo new contract
Carr ( his is a crazy contract (( no room to restructure)) the way it's done
Lee NEW contract
Scandrick New contract ( Extension)

Let me change that ... you could cut everyone but Romo .......... but what a fucking hit and you still have to hit the 80% rule ( or someone said 85% rule) ...... that is what will make it impossible

well I did mention realistically

 

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Where do you get your information at? I'm not being an ass ...... but you are so far off on the cap it seems unreal for you to keep talking about it.

It would cost 16.86 million to cut Carr....... even if you make it post June 1st that's 8.43 over 2 years

And you can ONLY spread it over 2 years

and 7.5 million salary????? .... he is due 12.2 ....... 7.5 is base salary


where did you dream up 4.7 over 2 years?

Carr's salary in 2014 is $7.5M. He isn't due anything else. His cap figure is $12.217M because it includes a pro-rated proportion of his signing bonus and a prorated proportion of his 2013 rescheduling bonus. The figures are available at Spotrac.com . I'll try to explain the workings for you:

Carr signed a 5 year deal in 2012. He received a signing bonus of $10M and was paid a salary of $1.2M in 2012. His 2012 cap figure was $3.2M. The cap figure is the salary plus (signing bonus divided by contract years). Although he received all of the signing bonus money in 2012 for cap purposes it counts as $2M in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016. He doesn't receive $2M in each of those years.

Carr was due a salary of $14.3M in 2013. His cap hit would have been $16.3M due to the 2013 prorated signing bonus. To reduce this figure his salary was converted to a base salary of $715,000 and a rescheduling bonus of $13.585M, (which he received in 2013). He was still paid $14.3M but for cap purposes his figure was his $715K salary plus $2M prorated from the signing bonus plus a prorated part of the rescheduling bonus which had an extra year put onto his contract, ($13.585M divided by 5 is $2.717M). The total was $5.432M.

Car has prorated rescheduling bonus cap hits of $2.717M in 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017. He's not going to be paid $2.717M in each of those years. He already received the sum total in 2013.
The prorated signing and rescheduling cap hits can't be altered. they can only be brought forward, which happens whenever a player is cut or traded. Teams can post date the release of 2 players to June 1st if they wish. Players released from June 1st onwards have their outstanding cap hits moved forward into the following year rather than the current year. If Carr was a June 1st cut his cap hits from 2016 and 2017 would be brought forward into 2015. The cap hits for 2014 and 2015 would be unaffected. If Carr was cut before June 1st his cap hits for 2015, 2016, and 2017 would ALL be brought forward into 2014. That would be financial suicide.

 

[tw1st3d]

well I did mention realistically

that dude is playing like 96 madden football ....... He is way off on how the cap works

 

[tw1st3d]

Carr's salary in 2014 is $7.5M. He isn't due anything else. His cap figure is $12.217M because it includes a pro-rated proportion of his signing bonus and a prorated proportion of his 2013 rescheduling bonus. The figures are available at Spotrac.com . I'll try to explain the workings for you:

Carr signed a 5 year deal in 2012. He received a signing bonus of $10M and was paid a salary of $1.2M in 2012. His 2012 cap figure was $3.2M. The cap figure is the salary plus (signing bonus divided by contract years). Although he received all of the signing bonus money in 2012 for cap purposes it counts as $2M in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016. He doesn't receive $2M in each of those years.

Carr was due a salary of $14.3M in 2013. His cap hit would have been $16.3M due to the 2013 prorated signing bonus. To reduce this figure his salary was converted to a base salary of $715,000 and a rescheduling bonus of $13.585M, (which he received in 2013). He was still paid $14.3M but for cap purposes his figure was his $715K salary plus $2M prorated from the signing bonus plus a prorated part of the rescheduling bonus which had an extra year put onto his contract, ($13.585M divided by 5 is $2.717M). The total was $5.432M.

Car has prorated rescheduling bonus cap hits of $2.717M in 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017. He's not going to be paid $2.717M in each of those years. He already received the sum total in 2013.
The prorated signing and rescheduling cap hits can't be altered. they can only be brought forward, which happens whenever a player is cut or traded. Teams can post date the release of 2 players to June 1st if they wish. Players released from June 1st onwards have their outstanding cap hits moved forward into the following year rather than the current year. If Carr was a June 1st cut his cap hits from 2016 and 2017 would be brought forward into 2015. The cap hits for 2014 and 2015 would be unaffected. If Carr was cut before June 1st his cap hits for 2015, 2016, and 2017 would ALL be brought forward into 2014. That would be financial suicide.

you know what you just explained to me

you are salary cap IGNORANT

FLAT THE FUCK OUT I G N O R A N T

 

[tw1st3d]

sadly we use the same sites you just dont get it


here ya go bruh ...... read it like 3-4 times ..... you might get it

http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/collective-bargaining-agreement-2011-2020.pdf

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Carr's salary in 2014 is $7.5M. He isn't due anything else. His cap figure is $12.217M because it includes a pro-rated proportion of his signing bonus and a prorated proportion of his 2013 rescheduling bonus. The figures are available at Spotrac.com . I'll try to explain the workings for you:

Carr signed a 5 year deal in 2012. He received a signing bonus of $10M and was paid a salary of $1.2M in 2012. His 2012 cap figure was $3.2M. The cap figure is the salary plus (signing bonus divided by contract years). Although he received all of the signing bonus money in 2012 for cap purposes it counts as $2M in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016. He doesn't receive $2M in each of those years.

Carr was due a salary of $14.3M in 2013. His cap hit would have been $16.3M due to the 2013 prorated signing bonus. To reduce this figure his salary was converted to a base salary of $715,000 and a rescheduling bonus of $13.585M, (which he received in 2013). He was still paid $14.3M but for cap purposes his figure was his $715K salary plus $2M prorated from the signing bonus plus a prorated part of the rescheduling bonus which had an extra year put onto his contract, ($13.585M divided by 5 is $2.717M). The total was $5.432M.

Car has prorated rescheduling bonus cap hits of $2.717M in 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017. He's not going to be paid $2.717M in each of those years. He already received the sum total in 2013.
The prorated signing and rescheduling cap hits can't be altered. they can only be brought forward, which happens whenever a player is cut or traded. Teams can post date the release of 2 players to June 1st if they wish. Players released from June 1st onwards have their outstanding cap hits moved forward into the following year rather than the current year. If Carr was a June 1st cut his cap hits from 2016 and 2017 would be brought forward into 2015. The cap hits for 2014 and 2015 would be unaffected. If Carr was cut before June 1st his cap hits for 2015, 2016, and 2017 would ALL be brought forward into 2014. That would be financial suicide.

I use spottrac to look at as well & it shows his dead money at over 16 mil if he is cut this year. so yeah after june it splits up but still costs us over 16 mil to cut.

 

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the site I look at has if cut 16,868,000 of dead money. Now I don't know how that splits up after june 1st cuts, but the point would still be we are pushing money into the future only without the player. Instead of redoing his contract. Again I am sure some brainiac capologist can come up with a way where we cut him instead of redoing his contract, but I don't see how that is realistic.

In this case the figure of $16,868,000 is the amount of money Carr has already been paid that has not yet been accounted for under the cap. Carr's contract was for $26M over 2 years. The remaining years are non-guaranteed option years that the Cowboys can keep or cut.

The dead money figures also includes guaranteed future salaries that obviously haven't been paid yet - such as is the case for Romo. This does not apply to Carr or Ware who have no future guarantees.

Later edit: That $16,868,000 has to be accounted for at some stage regardless of whether or not Carr stays with the team. The Spotrac figures make it easy to see when it's due to be accounted for. Releasing him brings future figures forward.