By July 12 Celtics will need to deal...Rondo?

[Black Adam]

I find it very entertaining that both sides think their team is getting a raw deal here.

was blatantly clear the Lakers were horrible with the interior of their line-up last season. sorry, but i'd rather stick with our kid PF and see how he turns out...

 

[Black Adam]

Well, Kobe is not the most patient of individuals.

This is not the same situation. But, remember when he wanted them to trade a young Bynum for Jason Kidd?

I doubt he will want to have another Season where the Long Beach Jam fields a better team than the Lakers.

Plus, I doubt very seriously that the Buss kids gave him 48mil if they didn't plan on trying to win.

I said all that to say, they would trade him for the right player.

I'm not sure if that's Rondo.

But, Bosh would be interesting.....

don't like Bosh's playing style personally. stretch 4's are sort of a big deal these days and all, but the way he was starting to jack up treys and not rebound as much as i'd like i'll pass on this guy as well...

probably just the way Spo played him, but ya never know...

 

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don't like Bosh's playing style personally. stretch 4's are sort of a big deal these days and all, but the way he was starting to jack up treys and not rebound as much as i'd like i'll pass on this guy as well...

probably just the way Spo played him, but ya never know...

Yeah, Randle is a Bull and Chris is more finesse.

I actually expected the Lakers to do a ZBo for Pau swap and to draft Smart.

There is every indication that Randle is Randolph 2.0.

So, it's a win.

Looks like you guys are the frontrunners to pick up Isiah Thomas.

People are sleeping on that kid.

That would be a sensational signing, for the right price.

Vasquez in Toronto should get a look too.

 

[Black Adam]

Yeah, Randle is a Bull and Chris is more finesse.

I actually expected the Lakers to do a ZBo for Pau swap and to draft Smart.

There is every indication that Randle is Randolph 2.0.

So, it's a win.

Looks like you guys are the frontrunners to pick up Isiah Thomas.

People are sleeping on that kid.

That would be a sensational signing, for the right price.

Vasquez in Toronto should get a look too.

my only personal knock on Isaiah Thomas is his height, but that's just my own personal pet peeve. certainly agree about the money, though...

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

my only personal knock on Isaiah Thomas is his height, but that's just my own personal pet peeve. certainly agree about the money, though...

Yeah, he's vertically challenged.

But, he's not in Earl Boykins territory...lol

He needs to learn how to create better for others.

But, at least he doesn't go all Nate Washington/JR. Smith, kamikazee ball, very often.

Having a strong personality like Kobe on the roster will keep him in check.

* if you sign him *

Nice chatting with you.

Have a wonderful 4th of July!

 

[Black Adam]

Yeah, he's vertically challenged.

But, he's not in Earl Boykins territory...lol

He needs to learn how to create better for others.

But, at least he doesn't go all Nate Washington/JR. Smith, kamikazee ball, very often.

Having a strong personality like Kobe on the roster will keep him in check.

* if you sign him *

Nice chatting with you.

Have a wonderful 4th of July!

cheers...

lookin' forward to getting my eat on for sure...

 

[LogicMan]

CL just so you know, Randle gets a knock on his height too. He was originally listed as 6"9, then 6"8 now 6"7 and change. I don't think he and anybody on the court worries he can't play the three and sometimes a 4. Thomas is tall enough too

 

[trojanfan12]

I find it very entertaining that both sides think their team is getting a raw deal here.

I don't know as that I would consider it a raw deal for either team, it's just a matter of need. I wouldn't hate the idea of Rondo as a Laker, but I'm not certain I would want to give up Randle to get him. If the Lakers re-sign Farmar and pick up the option on Marshall, they'd be fine at PG. Rondo is better than Farmar or Marshall, imo, but not by enough to justify giving up Randle.

I really don't worry about the injuries on either one. ACL surgery has become almost like Tommy John surgery these days and most players never have another issue. Randle has been cleared by several doctors including a specialist that the Lakers sent him to in Indiana. All have said his foot is sound and there's no reason for him to have another surgery to remove the screw.

End of the day, if the Lakers decided to trade Randle for Rondo, I wouldn't be happy about it, but I wouldn't that upset either. Both are young, talented and have good upside.

 

[tlance]

I don't know as that I would consider it a raw deal for either team, it's just a matter of need. I wouldn't hate the idea of Rondo as a Laker, but I'm not certain I would want to give up Randle to get him. If the Lakers re-sign Farmar and pick up the option on Marshall, they'd be fine at PG. Rondo is better than Farmar or Marshall, imo, but not by enough to justify giving up Randle.

I really don't worry about the injuries on either one. ACL surgery has become almost like Tommy John surgery these days and most players never have another issue. Randle has been cleared by several doctors including a specialist that the Lakers sent him to in Indiana. All have said his foot is sound and there's no reason for him to have another surgery to remove the screw.

End of the day, if the Lakers decided to trade Randle for Rondo, I wouldn't be happy about it, but I wouldn't that upset either. Both are young, talented and have good upside.

The only reason I even suggested it is because I don't think the Lakers will be able to sign anybody good with their current roster. Acquiring Rondo would make them much more attractive for somebody like Melo. I agree though, you don't give up Randle for Rondo unless it helps you make another deal also.

 

[trojanfan12]

The only reason I even suggested it is because I don't think the Lakers will be able to sign anybody good with their current roster. Acquiring Rondo would make them much more attractive for somebody like Melo. I agree though, you don't give up Randle for Rondo unless it helps you make another deal also.

I don't think the Lakers need Rondo to attract another player. The Lakers don't have a roster right now. Their pitch is that they can go in virtually any direction. Basically, they can bring in a top FA and get the pieces to fit him, giving him some say in who they acquire.

They also have Bird rights on Pau and a few good young players who gave a pretty good account of themselves last year, considering the impossible situation they were in. They have only lost Kaman (who was unlikely to be brought back anyway) and Meeks (who got overpaid by the Pistons).

It also helps that Kobe appears to be pretty healthy and is friends with both of the guys they are targeting. The Lakers likely won't get either Lebron or 'Melo, but it won't be because of roster concerns.

 

[tlance]

I don't think the Lakers need Rondo to attract another player. The Lakers don't have a roster right now. Their pitch is that they can go in virtually any direction. Basically, they can bring in a top FA and get the pieces to fit him, giving him some say in who they acquire.

They also have Bird rights on Pau and a few good young players who gave a pretty good account of themselves last year, considering the impossible situation they were in. They have only lost Kaman (who was unlikely to be brought back anyway) and Meeks (who got overpaid by the Pistons).

It also helps that Kobe appears to be pretty healthy and is friends with both of the guys they are targeting. The Lakers likely won't get either Lebron or 'Melo, but it won't be because of roster concerns.

LeBron, Kobe, Pau is no better than Lebron, Wade, Bosh and the Lakers would have less $ to sign complementary pieces.

 

[trojanfan12]

LeBron, Kobe, Pau is no better than Lebron, Wade, Bosh and the Lakers would have less $ to sign complementary pieces.

I disagree. I think that's a better combination, as long as Kobe is close to where he was before the Achilles. Wade's problem is that he doesn't have much of an outside shot, so when teams play him for the drive, he doesn't have much else. Kobe has a pretty deadly outside shot.

Pau is likely to give more production than Bosh because he won't be relegated to the 3-point line like Bosh and is a better rebounder.

The perimeter shooting of Kobe and 'Melo opens the lane for Lebron's drives and Pau in the post. Plus, if Kobe still has at least some of his explosiveness (according to him, he does) he can also drive to the hoop occasionally as well.

As for money to get complimentary pieces. They own the Bird rights to several young, athletic complimentary pieces who seem to be pretty patient so far in waiting to see what they do. The Lakers have no fear of going over the salary cap using those Bird rights to keep those players, because they can practically print money.

Even after paying over the cap, the resultant luxury taxes and having a 27 win season, they still turned a profit of $100 million which was nearly double that of the next closest team.

 

[tlance]

I disagree. I think that's a better combination, as long as Kobe is close to where he was before the Achilles. Wade's problem is that he doesn't have much of an outside shot, so when teams play him for the drive, he doesn't have much else. Kobe has a pretty deadly outside shot.

Pau is likely to give more production than Bosh because he won't be relegated to the 3-point line like Bosh and is a better rebounder.

The perimeter shooting of Kobe and 'Melo opens the lane for Lebron's drives and Pau in the post. Plus, if Kobe still has at least some of his explosiveness (according to him, he does) he can also drive to the hoop occasionally as well.

As for money to get complimentary pieces. They own the Bird rights to several young, athletic complimentary pieces who seem to be pretty patient so far in waiting to see what they do. The Lakers have no fear of going over the salary cap using those Bird rights to keep those players, because they can practically print money.

Even after paying over the cap, the resultant luxury taxes and having a 27 win season, they still turned a profit of $100 million which was nearly double that of the next closest team.

That is an awfully big if....

Kobe will be 36 when the season starts. While I agree that he complements LeBron much better than Wade does, I don't think you can count on Kobe to be a dominant player any longer. He will always be effective because of his skills and his knowledge, even if 100% healthy, I will surprised if Kobe is anywhere close to what he was before.

As for Bosh vs. Gasol, I just don't agree. Gasol has a better post game, but Bosh is the superior player at this stage.

It simply is not possible for the Lakers to have Kobe, LeBron, Melo and Gasol. If it were, that would be a championship team, but it is not.

 

[trojanfan12]

That is an awfully big if....

Kobe will be 36 when the season starts. While I agree that he complements LeBron much better than Wade does, I don't think you can count on Kobe to be a dominant player any longer. He will always be effective because of his skills and his knowledge, even if 100% healthy, I will surprised if Kobe is anywhere close to what he was before.

As for Bosh vs. Gasol, I just don't agree. Gasol has a better post game, but Bosh is the superior player at this stage.

It simply is not possible for the Lakers to have Kobe, LeBron, Melo and Gasol. If it were, that would be a championship team, but it is not.

Agree re: Kobe. However, with 'Melo, Lebron and Pau, he doesn't have to be dominant anymore. He just needs to be effective.

It's not that Pau is better than Bosh at this stage, it's that he's a better fit than Bosh, imo, because of being better in the post.

You keep saying that it's not possible for the Lakers to have all 4, but you don't say why. I showed in my last post how it's possible. I don't think it will happen, but I don't think it's impossible either.

In the unlikely event that it happened, the biggest sticking point would be Nash's contract. They'd have to find someone to take his expiring contract without taking back any salary (maybe by trading for picks) or they'd have to try to force him to retire (he still gets his $9 mil, but it doesn't count vs. the cap) or they'd have to release him and use the stretch provision.

 

[tlance]

Agree re: Kobe. However, with 'Melo, Lebron and Pau, he doesn't have to be dominant anymore. He just needs to be effective.

It's not that Pau is better than Bosh at this stage, it's that he's a better fit than Bosh, imo, because of being better in the post.

You keep saying that it's not possible for the Lakers to have all 4, but you don't say why. I showed in my last post how it's possible. I don't think it will happen, but I don't think it's impossible either.

In the unlikely event that it happened, the biggest sticking point would be Nash's contract. They'd have to find someone to take his expiring contract without taking back any salary (maybe by trading for picks) or they'd have to try to force him to retire (he still gets his $9 mil, but it doesn't count vs. the cap) or they'd have to release him and use the stretch provision.

There are many on here who understand the cap rules better than I do, but this is my understanding (could be wrong).

Total cap is 63.2 Million

Kobe salary is 23.5, max deals for Lebron and Melo are about 20.7. That by itself takes the Lakers over the cap. To sign both of these guys, the Lakers would have to renounce all of their cap holds and get rid of Nash (I think). This means that in order to get Gasol, it could only be for the MLE.

I could be wrong on this, but for LeBron and Melo to both sign, they would have to both take slightly less than max and be making less $ than a 36 year old Kobe. There might be a way for the Lakers to pull sign and trades where they give away their scrubs for MBJ and/or Melo, but I can't see either team being willing to help the Lakers in that way.

In other words, unless Gasol signs for the MLE or the Heat accept the bottom half of the Lakers roster in a sign and trade, this can't happen (again, I think). The lakers would be limited to league minimum salaries to fill out the rest.

 

[scotsman1948]

There are many on here who understand the cap rules better than I do, but this is my understanding (could be wrong).

Total cap is 63.2 Million

Kobe salary is 23.5, max deals for Lebron and Melo are about 20.7. That by itself takes the Lakers over the cap. To sign both of these guys, the Lakers would have to renounce all of their cap holds and get rid of Nash (I think). This means that in order to get Gasol, it could only be for the MLE.

I could be wrong on this, but for LeBron and Melo to both sign, they would have to both take slightly less than max and be making less $ than a 36 year old Kobe. There might be a way for the Lakers to pull sign and trades where they give away their scrubs for MBJ and/or Melo, but I can't see either team being willing to help the Lakers in that way.

In other words, unless Gasol signs for the MLE or the Heat accept the bottom half of the Lakers roster in a sign and trade, this can't happen (again, I think). The lakers would be limited to league minimum salaries to fill out the rest.

where would LBJ and Melo play? both are SF's and decrepit Kobe is the SG so how do you get all 3 on the court at the same time?

 

[tlance]

where would LBJ and Melo play? both are SF's and decrepit Kobe is the SG so how do you get all 3 on the court at the same time?

That is not the problem. Clearly 1 would play the 4. Melo/Bron will do a much better job guarding the true 4s of the league than the bigs will guarding them. Also, you could play LeBron at the 1 if you wanted to go big.

 

[scotsman1948]

That is not the problem. Clearly 1 would play the 4. Melo/Bron will do a much better job guarding the true 4s of the league than the bigs will guarding them. Also, you could play LeBron at the 1 if you wanted to go big.

it's a nice dream but totally unrealistic

 

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[LogicMan]

Looks like Mitch is aggressively trying to sign Lebron. Is Melo option gone ? Lakers must get one of these top free agents.

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